"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:15:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Since the boat will sit for days without being used and will run for
long periods at high revolution it is more important that the oil is in
top condition.

Oil? Change oil?

What is this "change oil" you speak of? :)

Oil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil

It is the black substance that drips all over the bilge when you remove
the tube from the dipstick hole.


It is the same black substance that will always spill out of the filter
when you try to carefully remove it, and will manage to miss the tub and
rags you have carefully around the area so you won't make a mess.

Put a plastic bag around the filter befor removal. And I have a tube from
the pan that goes out the transom (tall transom) hole.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The
salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred.
So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.

And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.

While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume
he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and
commission.

I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and
Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a
salesman change his preferences in a heart beat.

JohnH,
By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see
is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom.
What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water
get out if you don't have a large hole in the back?



Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The
salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he
preferred. So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.

And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.

While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume
he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and
commission.

I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec
and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can
make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat.

JohnH,
By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can
see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the
transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will
the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back?

Really big sponges.

If you are wearing boots, the boots fill up and the water is then not in the
bilge.

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote:

The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes"
prices.
That's just the engine alone. With controls and guages, it was
$21,000. And don't tell me you can find it cheaper because you can't.
The best I could get an F350 for was $21 and that was damn near dealer
cost from a Yamaha dealer.

I know what they list for.
Then you've pretty much proved my point. If there is that much
inflation built into the "list" price, how much is built into the
"retail" price?
Hey! All I posted was that I knew where one could buy an F350 for
$18,000. You're the one who added the "extras."

If I ever see an "eTec driver" out on the water, I'll signal him and ask
what he paid for the engine. :}

I paid $13K for mine, but that was dealer cost. Retail, it was just
shy of $16K, controls and rigging extra (which I didn't pay for). Mine
is an HO so that's a little higher. Don't quote me on this becasue I'm
not at all sure of this, but I
think the standard 200 ETEC with 60 degree block sans controls is
around $10K - $12K w/controls and rigged.


IF memory serves, the "upgrade" price on my Parker to go from an F150 to
an F200 was $3000. That price includes factory rigging.
A plain and simple boat needs a plain and simple engine. It needs a big
Johnson. %={ ))


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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:02:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.

And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.

You may well be right! And, maybe he feels more qualified to work on the
Yammy.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he
preferred. So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.

And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.

While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume
he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and
commission.

I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec
and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can
make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat.

JohnH,
By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can
see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the
transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will
the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back?

If you'll look closely, there are two coolers in the boat, a 94qt and a
72qt. With the wife on the small one and me on the big one, I figure we can
bail most any amount of water.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:15:33 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:




The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred.
So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.

Never take the word of a salesman, even if he/she owns the place. Do your
own homework.

BTW....."puchased".......not "bought".



You 'purchase', I buy.

If you bought something last week, then you 'purchased' it.

If I bought something last week, then I 'bought' it.

Besides, you've got me 'filtered', like Harry. So butt out.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote:

A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going
price on an etec 150?
Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same.

I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine
brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices.

If you can buy one of those, rigged, for 18K, buy as many as you can.

They list for slightly over $26K.


The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes"
prices. I know what they list for.

I have no need of an F350. My "lil" F150 pushes my new Parker along just
the way I want it to. I think I mentioned I briefly considered the F200,
but it would have been another 100 pounds on the transom. When I bought
my last SeaPro, I went for a 135 hp, but I probably should have bought
an F115 instead. It was a lighter engine, and since that boat only
weighed about 1900 pounds, it would have been sufficient. The heavier
engine in my mind pushed the stern down too much at rest and at idle
speeds. It was fine at planing speeds.

Well, that 'lil' F150 should do quite well on the Key West! The 150 weighs
only about 60 lbs more than the 115, so the additional weight isn't that
big a factor. Hell, that's less than a couple good sized stripers!

If the additional weight was pushing the stern down too much, maybe you had
the trim wrong, or maybe the boat should have had a higher transom!

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he
preferred. So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.
And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.
While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume
he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and
commission.

I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec
and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can
make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat.
JohnH,
By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can
see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the
transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will
the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back?

If you'll look closely, there are two coolers in the boat, a 94qt and a
72qt. With the wife on the small one and me on the big one, I figure we can
bail most any amount of water.

Yes, but do you have room for a folding lounge chair?

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:15:33 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred.
So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.
Never take the word of a salesman, even if he/she owns the place. Do your
own homework.

BTW....."puchased".......not "bought".



You 'purchase', I buy.

If you bought something last week, then you 'purchased' it.

If I bought something last week, then I 'bought' it.

Besides, you've got me 'filtered', like Harry. So butt out.

I thought it was funny that he was correcting your use of the past tense
of "purchase or buy" and he misspelled the word he was recommending you
use. "puchase".