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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.google.com/search?q=etec+...x=&startPage=1 http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...al/ETEC5A.aspx http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...al/ETEC5C.aspx "In our opinion, cost of operation will prove to be less for an E-TEC in the long run." And that was using XD-50, not XD-100 which give ETEC even more efficiency in oil consumption by a factor of 20. You guys can't win - I win every time. YOU DROOL - I RULE!!! LOL, that is the stupidest link showing cost of operation I have ever seen. The whole premise of that link assumes you actually use the boat. If you don't use it, (or use it 25 hrs a year) there will not be any of this supposed "cost savings". YOU LOSE. HAH!!!!!!!! I haven't owned an OB since 1986, and that was a 1972 125 hp Johnson. Now that was one nice Johnson, and fuel and oil consumption was not a problem. You buy the fuel, you put in the oil, no problem. |
when to change raw water impeller
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:48:51 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=etec+...x=&startPage=1 http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...al/ETEC5A.aspx http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...al/ETEC5C.aspx "In our opinion, cost of operation will prove to be less for an E-TEC in the long run." And that was using XD-50, not XD-100 which give ETEC even more efficiency in oil consumption by a factor of 20. You guys can't win - I win every time. YOU DROOL - I RULE!!! LOL, that is the stupidest link showing cost of operation I have ever seen. The whole premise of that link assumes you actually use the boat. If you don't use it, (or use it 25 hrs a year) there will not be any of this supposed "cost savings". YOU LOSE. HAH!!!!!!!! I haven't owned an OB since 1986, and that was a 1972 125 hp Johnson. Now that was one nice Johnson, and fuel and oil consumption was not a problem. You buy the fuel, you put in the oil, no problem. Being serious here, the one thing I can claim, based on fact and experience, admittedly partially acnecdotal, is that I get twice the fuel efficiency of any four stroke on the market and about the same over other DI two strokes. I'll admit that may be unique to me as I try hard to keep fairly accurate records of my fuel and oil usage for a variety of reasons. Others may have different experiences. |
when to change raw water impeller
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:48:51 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=etec+...x=&startPage=1 http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...al/ETEC5A.aspx http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...al/ETEC5C.aspx "In our opinion, cost of operation will prove to be less for an E-TEC in the long run." And that was using XD-50, not XD-100 which give ETEC even more efficiency in oil consumption by a factor of 20. You guys can't win - I win every time. YOU DROOL - I RULE!!! LOL, that is the stupidest link showing cost of operation I have ever seen. The whole premise of that link assumes you actually use the boat. If you don't use it, (or use it 25 hrs a year) there will not be any of this supposed "cost savings". YOU LOSE. HAH!!!!!!!! I haven't owned an OB since 1986, and that was a 1972 125 hp Johnson. Now that was one nice Johnson, and fuel and oil consumption was not a problem. You buy the fuel, you put in the oil, no problem. Being serious here, the one thing I can claim, based on fact and experience, admittedly partially acnecdotal, is that I get twice the fuel efficiency of any four stroke on the market and about the same over other DI two strokes. I'll admit that may be unique to me as I try hard to keep fairly accurate records of my fuel and oil usage for a variety of reasons. Others may have different experiences. SWS, On a serious note, if I was in the market for an OB, my gut reaction would be to with the 4 stroke, but before i plucked down all of that money on either ETEC or 4 stroke, I would do some serious research. As I said, I normally use my boat for 100 - 125 hrs a year, so I my usage is probably substantially less than your. Since I tend to keep my cars and boats, longer than the average person, I would want to get some data on ETEC that have over 2500 hrs on them. You really would have to talk to some professional guides to see anyone with that kind of hours on a fairly new engine, but it would be a great enduser feedback. How many hours do you have on those ticking time bombs anyway? |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:51:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:41:07 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:31:17 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I guess I am wearing suspenders and a belt now regarding the impeller based on my terrible experience last year due to a worn one. Personally I like gfretwell's advice about using a pressure gauge. You can still change impellers on your preferred schedule. Whew! And I thought you were never going to give me the go ahead to do so. ;-) just keeeeding! Arrr! ROTFL!!! |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:21:56 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: On a serious note, if I was in the market for an OB, my gut reaction would be to with the 4 stroke, but before i plucked down all of that money on either ETEC or 4 stroke, I would do some serious research. As long as we are in on-topic discussion mode here, I'll confess that I looked at four strokes seriously when I bought the second Contender. I spent a lot of time around the two marinas I normally hang at talking to guys who owned four strokes and all the reports were positive initially. After a while, I began to notice that the occasional "damn engine" curses began and by the time the end of that summer rolled around, I was convinced that they are as problematic as any other outboard in serious use. Please note the serious use clause. AFter taking a few of these boat out, to me anyway, they didn't perform as I would have expected them to given weight to hp ratio. Now a lot of that depends on gear, fuel, prop, etc., but to me the four strokes I ran didn't have the throttle response, low end power or power at cruise that I was used to with the FICHT on the Ranger. They were also noiser than I expected. The one exception was the Verado when they were introduced, but they were gas hogs - might as well take a gas station with you on a fishing trip. With my FICHT experience, I had a lot of confidence that the 150/175 hp block problem was very well contained. After looking over the specs, and based on my experience with higher hp FICHTS (200 and up), my natural inclination was to go with ETEC. Naturally, I found a 23 Hydra-Sports that had a 200 HO ETEC on it and I was blown away by the power, efficiency and overall performance compared to the four strokes I ran. The difference between ETEC and FICHT was startling. I though the FICHTs I owned were pretty nifty, ETEC just out performed the FICHT and in my opinion, my FICHTs had it all over four strokes. I said, I normally use my boat for 100 - 125 hrs a year, so I my usage is probably substantially less than your. Since I tend to keep my cars and boats, longer than the average person, I would want to get some data on ETEC that have over 2500 hrs on them. You really would have to talk to some professional guides to see anyone with that kind of hours on a fairly new engine, but it would be a great enduser feedback. How many hours do you have on those ticking time bombs anyway? I can't speak to 2500 hours, but I can speak to ETECs @ 1700 hours with no problems. The FICHTS on the original Contender have 2700 hours and are going through their very first rebuild. On my boat, I have a little over 70 hours on this engine, but that was due to extenuating circumstances last summer and this summer - I spent a lot of time traveling here and there and this summer has been pretty much the same. Hopefully, this Fall and early Winter, I will be able to take advantage of some down time and use the boat a little more than I have the past two Falls - which is were I run most of the time anyway. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
How many hours do you have on those ticking time bombs anyway? I can't speak to 2500 hours, but I can speak to ETECs @ 1700 hours with no problems. The FICHTS on the original Contender have 2700 hours and are going through their very first rebuild. On my boat, I have a little over 70 hours on this engine, but that was due to extenuating circumstances last summer and this summer - I spent a lot of time traveling here and there and this summer has been pretty much the same. Hopefully, this Fall and early Winter, I will be able to take advantage of some down time and use the boat a little more than I have the past two Falls - which is were I run most of the time anyway. Someone with 1700 hrs would be able to give you great enduser feedback. How much do they charge for a OB rebuild? |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:35:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: How many hours do you have on those ticking time bombs anyway? I can't speak to 2500 hours, but I can speak to ETECs @ 1700 hours with no problems. The FICHTS on the original Contender have 2700 hours and are going through their very first rebuild. On my boat, I have a little over 70 hours on this engine, but that was due to extenuating circumstances last summer and this summer - I spent a lot of time traveling here and there and this summer has been pretty much the same. Hopefully, this Fall and early Winter, I will be able to take advantage of some down time and use the boat a little more than I have the past two Falls - which is were I run most of the time anyway. Someone with 1700 hrs would be able to give you great enduser feedback. Like I said - last time I talked to him, he just blew past 1,700 hours and not a hiccup. How much do they charge for a OB rebuild? Depends on what needs to be done. Minimum, probably around $1,200. Max - maybe $4K. |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. JohnH, By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back? |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. JohnH, By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back? Really big sponges. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote:
A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote: A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices. |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:30:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:21:56 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: On a serious note, if I was in the market for an OB, my gut reaction would be to with the 4 stroke, but before i plucked down all of that money on either ETEC or 4 stroke, I would do some serious research. As long as we are in on-topic discussion mode here, I'll confess that I looked at four strokes seriously when I bought the second Contender. I spent a lot of time around the two marinas I normally hang at talking to guys who owned four strokes and all the reports were positive initially. After a while, I began to notice that the occasional "damn engine" curses began and by the time the end of that summer rolled around, I was convinced that they are as problematic as any other outboard in serious use. Please note the serious use clause. AFter taking a few of these boat out, to me anyway, they didn't perform as I would have expected them to given weight to hp ratio. Now a lot of that depends on gear, fuel, prop, etc., but to me the four strokes I ran didn't have the throttle response, low end power or power at cruise that I was used to with the FICHT on the Ranger. They were also noiser than I expected. The one exception was the Verado when they were introduced, but they were gas hogs - might as well take a gas station with you on a fishing trip. With my FICHT experience, I had a lot of confidence that the 150/175 hp block problem was very well contained. After looking over the specs, and based on my experience with higher hp FICHTS (200 and up), my natural inclination was to go with ETEC. Naturally, I found a 23 Hydra-Sports that had a 200 HO ETEC on it and I was blown away by the power, efficiency and overall performance compared to the four strokes I ran. The difference between ETEC and FICHT was startling. I though the FICHTs I owned were pretty nifty, ETEC just out performed the FICHT and in my opinion, my FICHTs had it all over four strokes. I said, I normally use my boat for 100 - 125 hrs a year, so I my usage is probably substantially less than your. Since I tend to keep my cars and boats, longer than the average person, I would want to get some data on ETEC that have over 2500 hrs on them. You really would have to talk to some professional guides to see anyone with that kind of hours on a fairly new engine, but it would be a great enduser feedback. How many hours do you have on those ticking time bombs anyway? I can't speak to 2500 hours, but I can speak to ETECs @ 1700 hours with no problems. The FICHTS on the original Contender have 2700 hours and are going through their very first rebuild. On my boat, I have a little over 70 hours on this engine, but that was due to extenuating circumstances last summer and this summer - I spent a lot of time traveling here and there and this summer has been pretty much the same. Hopefully, this Fall and early Winter, I will be able to take advantage of some down time and use the boat a little more than I have the past two Falls - which is were I run most of the time anyway. The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:45 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote: A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices. If you can buy one of those, rigged, for 18K, buy as many as you can. They list for slightly over $26K. |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:02:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:45 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote: A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices. If you can buy one of those, rigged, for 18K, buy as many as you can. They list for slightly over $26K. The cheapest I could find was $21K. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:02:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:45 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote: A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices. If you can buy one of those, rigged, for 18K, buy as many as you can. They list for slightly over $26K. The cheapest I could find was $21K. You should have asked Harry, he could have save you $3,000, and sold the engine for $28,000 3 years from now.. |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:24:49 -0500, John H.
wrote: JimH was talking about all the sand he had to go through. I just don't do it. If I'm in two feet of water at my beach, I get out, grab a rope and pull the boat in. Why take the chance of hitting something that doesn't show up on the depth/fish finder? I could be wrong on this but I understood his situation to be more complicated, something like a 2 ft sand bar followed by 6 ft of deep water before he got to the beach. If he's in SWFL there's a lot of skinny water to be negotiated at times. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:45 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote: A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices. If you can buy one of those, rigged, for 18K, buy as many as you can. They list for slightly over $26K. The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. I know what they list for. I have no need of an F350. My "lil" F150 pushes my new Parker along just the way I want it to. I think I mentioned I briefly considered the F200, but it would have been another 100 pounds on the transom. When I bought my last SeaPro, I went for a 135 hp, but I probably should have bought an F115 instead. It was a lighter engine, and since that boat only weighed about 1900 pounds, it would have been sufficient. The heavier engine in my mind pushed the stern down too much at rest and at idle speeds. It was fine at planing speeds. |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote:
The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. That's just the engine alone. With controls and guages, it was $21,000. And don't tell me you can find it cheaper because you can't. The best I could get an F350 for was $21 and that was damn near dealer cost from a Yamaha dealer. I know what they list for. Then you've pretty much proved my point. If there is that much inflation built into the "list" price, how much is built into the "retail" price? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote: The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. That's just the engine alone. With controls and guages, it was $21,000. And don't tell me you can find it cheaper because you can't. The best I could get an F350 for was $21 and that was damn near dealer cost from a Yamaha dealer. I know what they list for. Then you've pretty much proved my point. If there is that much inflation built into the "list" price, how much is built into the "retail" price? Hey! All I posted was that I knew where one could buy an F350 for $18,000. You're the one who added the "extras." If I ever see an "eTec driver" out on the water, I'll signal him and ask what he paid for the engine. :} |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote: The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. That's just the engine alone. With controls and guages, it was $21,000. And don't tell me you can find it cheaper because you can't. The best I could get an F350 for was $21 and that was damn near dealer cost from a Yamaha dealer. I know what they list for. Then you've pretty much proved my point. If there is that much inflation built into the "list" price, how much is built into the "retail" price? Hey! All I posted was that I knew where one could buy an F350 for $18,000. You're the one who added the "extras." If I ever see an "eTec driver" out on the water, I'll signal him and ask what he paid for the engine. :} I paid $13K for mine, but that was dealer cost. Retail, it was just shy of $16K, controls and rigging extra (which I didn't pay for). Mine is an HO so that's a little higher. Don't quote me on this becasue I'm not at all sure of this, but I think the standard 200 ETEC with 60 degree block sans controls is around $10K - $12K w/controls and rigged. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote: The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. That's just the engine alone. With controls and guages, it was $21,000. And don't tell me you can find it cheaper because you can't. The best I could get an F350 for was $21 and that was damn near dealer cost from a Yamaha dealer. I know what they list for. Then you've pretty much proved my point. If there is that much inflation built into the "list" price, how much is built into the "retail" price? Hey! All I posted was that I knew where one could buy an F350 for $18,000. You're the one who added the "extras." If I ever see an "eTec driver" out on the water, I'll signal him and ask what he paid for the engine. :} I paid $13K for mine, but that was dealer cost. Retail, it was just shy of $16K, controls and rigging extra (which I didn't pay for). Mine is an HO so that's a little higher. Don't quote me on this becasue I'm not at all sure of this, but I think the standard 200 ETEC with 60 degree block sans controls is around $10K - $12K w/controls and rigged. IF memory serves, the "upgrade" price on my Parker to go from an F150 to an F200 was $3000. That price includes factory rigging. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:31:17 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I think they are a lot tougher than you might suspect though. I do not hit bottom when crossing the sandbar, either with my keel or the prop (I/O is raised). Even with a low prop speed some sand does kick up. I guess I am wearing suspenders and a belt now regarding the impeller based on my terrible experience last year due to a worn one. I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I haven't seen the need to do it on a regular basis. Then again, I tend to use my instruments as indicators of problems, so I operate differently than you do. And based on your experience, I would certainly be leery and concerned about impellers and probably do as you do - all things being equal. On my Mariner 15 I changed the impeller after about 12 years. Major problem was getting the leg off the O/B. One good thing about changing the impeller every 2 years is you take off the leg and grease up the shaft so the shaft does not corrode to the powerhead. My Yamaha T-8 is a kicker so does not get run in the sand much and has not had the impeller changed in the 4 years I have had it. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:15:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Since the boat will sit for days without being used and will run for long periods at high revolution it is more important that the oil is in top condition. Oil? Change oil? What is this "change oil" you speak of? :) Oil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil It is the black substance that drips all over the bilge when you remove the tube from the dipstick hole. It is the same black substance that will always spill out of the filter when you try to carefully remove it, and will manage to miss the tub and rags you have carefully around the area so you won't make a mess. Jeeze Louise - get out of the 20th century and into the 21st. That's disgusting. It's the stuff you keep burning in the frog motor. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:15:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Since the boat will sit for days without being used and will run for long periods at high revolution it is more important that the oil is in top condition. Oil? Change oil? What is this "change oil" you speak of? :) Oil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil It is the black substance that drips all over the bilge when you remove the tube from the dipstick hole. It is the same black substance that will always spill out of the filter when you try to carefully remove it, and will manage to miss the tub and rags you have carefully around the area so you won't make a mess. Put a plastic bag around the filter befor removal. And I have a tube from the pan that goes out the transom (tall transom) hole. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. JohnH, By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh! |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. JohnH, By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back? Really big sponges. If you are wearing boots, the boots fill up and the water is then not in the bilge. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote: The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. That's just the engine alone. With controls and guages, it was $21,000. And don't tell me you can find it cheaper because you can't. The best I could get an F350 for was $21 and that was damn near dealer cost from a Yamaha dealer. I know what they list for. Then you've pretty much proved my point. If there is that much inflation built into the "list" price, how much is built into the "retail" price? Hey! All I posted was that I knew where one could buy an F350 for $18,000. You're the one who added the "extras." If I ever see an "eTec driver" out on the water, I'll signal him and ask what he paid for the engine. :} I paid $13K for mine, but that was dealer cost. Retail, it was just shy of $16K, controls and rigging extra (which I didn't pay for). Mine is an HO so that's a little higher. Don't quote me on this becasue I'm not at all sure of this, but I think the standard 200 ETEC with 60 degree block sans controls is around $10K - $12K w/controls and rigged. IF memory serves, the "upgrade" price on my Parker to go from an F150 to an F200 was $3000. That price includes factory rigging. A plain and simple boat needs a plain and simple engine. It needs a big Johnson. %={ )) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:02:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. You may well be right! And, maybe he feels more qualified to work on the Yammy. |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. JohnH, By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back? If you'll look closely, there are two coolers in the boat, a 94qt and a 72qt. With the wife on the small one and me on the big one, I figure we can bail most any amount of water. |
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when to change raw water impeller
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:12:05 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:45 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:18 -0400, HK wrote: A new F150 Yamaha sells for $9000, and a Suzuki, $8000. What's the going price on an etec 150? Dunno, but I suspect it's roughly the same. I suspect the margins are pretty close to the same on all major engine brands. The Yamaha 350 is around $18,000. These are street prices. If you can buy one of those, rigged, for 18K, buy as many as you can. They list for slightly over $26K. The prices I posted are not "rigged," they are "engines in boxes" prices. I know what they list for. I have no need of an F350. My "lil" F150 pushes my new Parker along just the way I want it to. I think I mentioned I briefly considered the F200, but it would have been another 100 pounds on the transom. When I bought my last SeaPro, I went for a 135 hp, but I probably should have bought an F115 instead. It was a lighter engine, and since that boat only weighed about 1900 pounds, it would have been sufficient. The heavier engine in my mind pushed the stern down too much at rest and at idle speeds. It was fine at planing speeds. Well, that 'lil' F150 should do quite well on the Key West! The 150 weighs only about 60 lbs more than the 115, so the additional weight isn't that big a factor. Hell, that's less than a couple good sized stripers! If the additional weight was pushing the stern down too much, maybe you had the trim wrong, or maybe the boat should have had a higher transom! |
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H. wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that way. You would have been better off with the ETEC. While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and commission. I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat. JohnH, By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back? If you'll look closely, there are two coolers in the boat, a 94qt and a 72qt. With the wife on the small one and me on the big one, I figure we can bail most any amount of water. Yes, but do you have room for a folding lounge chair? |
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:15:33 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred. So, the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way. Never take the word of a salesman, even if he/she owns the place. Do your own homework. BTW....."puchased".......not "bought". You 'purchase', I buy. If you bought something last week, then you 'purchased' it. If I bought something last week, then I 'bought' it. Besides, you've got me 'filtered', like Harry. So butt out. I thought it was funny that he was correcting your use of the past tense of "purchase or buy" and he misspelled the word he was recommending you use. "puchase". |
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