Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert"
wrote:

cheap shot..............

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going
to Africa next.

Liberia really looks like a messy place.

~Empress

"`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer
Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' "
~Empress

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

On 11 Jul 2003 17:08:57 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Can we amend that to reflect that the SOB *is* an abuser! Let's just
say, for example, he's killed the neighbors and happens to be ****ing
his 12 year old daughter. Personally, *I'd* say, "check out the
basement before you go, please!"

I admit, your points are not without merit as stated, but I think
you're being too simplistic. What if the only family members left are
squabbling about what to do next? Which church to go to, which
brothers to be left out of the will, and so on; backstabbing ensues.
There's no consensus and meanwhile people have to be fed.

electricity to the master bedroom only... when you get on an
airplane they tell you to put the oxygen mask over your own face
first, then assist the child you're with.

Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick
countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then
proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction",
which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is
paid for by your furniture sales.

Do you see anything wrong with the picture?

Sure, the way you put it, I do. I just think you're editing the
picture to your way of seeing the world. Hey, you're an artist.

I guess not.

But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a
legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without
permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign
government in Iraq anymore.

Allah be praised.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

**** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few
months ago

And you base this assertion on what?

You really need to Pay Attention, Igor. Based on the fact that
they're not getting hung up in the streets with their tongues cut out
while they're young daughters are get forcibly deflowered by Uday.

They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime
is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off.

I guess our definitions are at odds, then.

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

Who are the terrorists this time around? You suggest it's the U.S.,
apparently.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.

We disagree completely. They may not have had more than a suspicion
this time around, but it was a suspicion shared by the international
community. I don't know that I would have made the decision to enter
Iraq, but to say they outright lied about anything other than
(perhaps) the nuclear issue is not correct.

snippage

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.

This we agree on, for the most part.

They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is
not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary
iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc.

It's still very stupid overall.

more snipped

If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of
your body part except the ass.

My, my. That leaves a lot to the imagination, Igor.

Heh, heh.

~Empress

(What's wrong with my ass, anyway?)

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

i

================================================== ====================

WASHINGTON, July 11 (AFP) - The administration of President George W. Bush
is considering pledging some of Iraq's future oil and gas revenue to secure
long-term reconstruction loans before a new Iraqi government is in place to
sign off on the proposal, The Los Angeles Times reported Friday.
The newspaper said the plan, which has been endorsed by the Export-Import
Bank and some of the biggest US companies, would help avert a looming cash
crunch that has the potential to stall the postwar rebuilding effort.
But the plan is drawing fire from some administration officials, lawmakers,
policy analysts and prominent Iraqis who say it would mortgage the Gulf
nation's most treasured resource, prevent future leaders from deciding how to
spend their oil money and put US taxpayers at risk, the report said.
However, the Export-Import Bank and a business coalition that includes
Halliburton, Bechtel Group and other major companies that are interested in
winning contracts in Iraq are warning that unless steps are taken soon to
secure new funds, the reconstruction well could run dry, The Times said.
"Common sense says get Iraq running. How do you get the country running? By
using its own oil revenue 100 percent for the benefit of the Iraqi people,"
the paper quoted Export-Import Bank Chairman Philip Merrill as saying. "If you
want to wait three or four years, be my guest. But that means the country is
going to be running on the dole of the United States."
Many experts agree that Iraq is headed for a possible cash flow crisis as
reconstruction costs escalate, initial funds are depleted and the resumption
of oil exports is delayed due to damage caused by looting and sabotage,
according to the report.
But they part company over whether the US-led occupation administration in
Baghdad has the legal or moral authority to pledge future oil revenue as loan
collateral before the issue can be debated by elected Iraqis, The Times said.
"Unless a reconstituted Iraqi government or the UN Security Council
authorizes the plan, it appears to violate international law," Democratic
Congressman Henry Waxman is quoted as saying.
mk/nh
US-Iraq-oil

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Empress Otku wrote in message
...
On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is
rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

My most recent memory was that the U.N. had given Saddam permission to sell
oil so that he could buy food and medicine for his people. Did he do that?
Maybe he did to some extent, but at the same time he was paying large sums
of money to terrorist's families if they would blow themselves up and take
as many innocent people as they could with them. Amazingly large sums of
money were flowing from Saddam to the organizations that back and train
these individuals. I guess instead of selling their oil for money to rebuild
their country, we could always arrange to trade their manufactured goods or
their agriculture....................Please, I have no desire to argue this
topic or the war. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get you"
I said to myself "it's about time".

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

"Robert" wrote in message
...

Please, I have no desire to argue this
topic or the war. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get
you"
I said to myself "it's about time".

Who else is on your shopping list?

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

cheap shot..............
"jps" wrote in message
...
"Robert" wrote in message
...

Please, I have no desire to argue this
topic or the war. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get
you"
I said to myself "it's about time".

Who else is on your shopping list?

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

In article , Empress Otku wrote:
On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is
rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick
countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then
proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction",
which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is
paid for by your furniture sales.

Do you see anything wrong with the picture?

I guess not.

But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a
legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without
permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign
government in Iraq anymore.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

**** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few
months ago

And you base this assertion on what?

They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime
is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off.

and we've paid quite a price already. I wouldn't have
given one of those now dead U.S. and U.K. young men for a thousand
Iraqi lives, but I don't make those choices, do I?

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.

They are now trying to obfuscate the issue of their lying, shifting
the discussion towards "we do not know what is there and maybe we'll
find something out". But the truth is, they had nothing on Iraqi WMD
and lied about that.

Maybe the Bush admin was/is stupid (that error about the

no doubt about that... They are stupid in addition to criminal.

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.

nuclear shopping in Africa was more than embarrassing) but they had a
difficult decision to make based on common knowledge.

It was a lie, not an error.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

I don't feel sorry for the Iraqis in this mess, Igor. At least, not
the ones who are so stupid as to sabotage their own oil lines.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.

They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is
not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary
iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

Obviously, I disagree that they've done "zip" but admittedly, I'm not
ready yet to claim victory, either. (For example, I don't see much
happening in Afghanistan to support my expectations; I'm very sorry
about that.)

That's good that you are sorry about something. Accidentally, I do not
has as strong objections about the Afghanistan campaign, which was
based on more than greed, electioneering, and grandstanding.

Igor, I'm touched that I represent the forces of Modern Imperialism in
your mind. You may kiss the hem of my silk brocade robes before you
leave the room.

If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of
your body part except the ass.

i

~Empress

"A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a
headache."
Catherine the Great


~Empress

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Here's a better example: Let suppose a gang of thugs who have been taught to
hate you and they don't even know you. Come into your neighborhood and start
randomely killing you, your family and your neighbors. Then promise you that
they're not done. Do you:
A: form a committee to discuss and figure out why they hate you and want to
kill you
B: Wait for the next attack and hope they don't get you.
C. Move to a different neighborhood.
D. Go to the source of their organizatioin and kill them first.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
In article , Empress Otku
wrote:
On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is
rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick
countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then
proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction",
which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is
paid for by your furniture sales.

Do you see anything wrong with the picture?

I guess not.

But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a
legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without
permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign
government in Iraq anymore.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

**** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few
months ago

And you base this assertion on what?

They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime
is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off.

and we've paid quite a price already. I wouldn't have
given one of those now dead U.S. and U.K. young men for a thousand
Iraqi lives, but I don't make those choices, do I?

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.

They are now trying to obfuscate the issue of their lying, shifting
the discussion towards "we do not know what is there and maybe we'll
find something out". But the truth is, they had nothing on Iraqi WMD
and lied about that.

Maybe the Bush admin was/is stupid (that error about the

no doubt about that... They are stupid in addition to criminal.

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.

nuclear shopping in Africa was more than embarrassing) but they had a
difficult decision to make based on common knowledge.

It was a lie, not an error.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

I don't feel sorry for the Iraqis in this mess, Igor. At least, not
the ones who are so stupid as to sabotage their own oil lines.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.

They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is
not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary
iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

Obviously, I disagree that they've done "zip" but admittedly, I'm not
ready yet to claim victory, either. (For example, I don't see much
happening in Afghanistan to support my expectations; I'm very sorry
about that.)

That's good that you are sorry about something. Accidentally, I do not
has as strong objections about the Afghanistan campaign, which was
based on more than greed, electioneering, and grandstanding.

Igor, I'm touched that I represent the forces of Modern Imperialism in
your mind. You may kiss the hem of my silk brocade robes before you
leave the room.

If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of
your body part except the ass.

i

~Empress

"A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a
headache."
Catherine the Great


~Empress

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

In article , Robert wrote:
Here's a better example: Let suppose a gang of thugs who have been taught to
hate you and they don't even know you. Come into your neighborhood and start
randomely killing you, your family and your neighbors. Then promise you that
they're not done. Do you:
A: form a committee to discuss and figure out why they hate you and want to
kill you
B: Wait for the next attack and hope they don't get you.
C. Move to a different neighborhood.
D. Go to the source of their organizatioin and kill them first.

Did not know that Iraq has been killing us randomly... (prior to the
occupation that is)

You have been lied to Robert.

i

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
In article , Empress Otku
wrote:
On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is
rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick
countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then
proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction",
which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is
paid for by your furniture sales.

Do you see anything wrong with the picture?

I guess not.

But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a
legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without
permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign
government in Iraq anymore.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

**** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few
months ago

And you base this assertion on what?

They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime
is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off.

and we've paid quite a price already. I wouldn't have
given one of those now dead U.S. and U.K. young men for a thousand
Iraqi lives, but I don't make those choices, do I?

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.

They are now trying to obfuscate the issue of their lying, shifting
the discussion towards "we do not know what is there and maybe we'll
find something out". But the truth is, they had nothing on Iraqi WMD
and lied about that.

Maybe the Bush admin was/is stupid (that error about the

no doubt about that... They are stupid in addition to criminal.

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.

nuclear shopping in Africa was more than embarrassing) but they had a
difficult decision to make based on common knowledge.

It was a lie, not an error.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

I don't feel sorry for the Iraqis in this mess, Igor. At least, not
the ones who are so stupid as to sabotage their own oil lines.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.

They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is
not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary
iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

Obviously, I disagree that they've done "zip" but admittedly, I'm not
ready yet to claim victory, either. (For example, I don't see much
happening in Afghanistan to support my expectations; I'm very sorry
about that.)

That's good that you are sorry about something. Accidentally, I do not
has as strong objections about the Afghanistan campaign, which was
based on more than greed, electioneering, and grandstanding.

Igor, I'm touched that I represent the forces of Modern Imperialism in
your mind. You may kiss the hem of my silk brocade robes before you
leave the room.

If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of
your body part except the ass.

i

~Empress

"A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a
headache."
Catherine the Great


~Empress

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion and
the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...

snip the bull****

I don't understand why this vodka breath insists on posting this **** HERE,
goddam
give it a rest, if you don't like it here LEAVE

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

In article , Robert wrote:
Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion and
the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11...

i

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Oh, so Iraq is your one and only hot spot? I expect your reasons were
different from our administration's. It's becoming more and more clear that
Iraq was simply the weak kid on the block sitting atop the SECOND LARGEST
KNOWN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD.

Golly, I wonder if that played into their strategy. Every other excuse
seems to have run aground.


"Robert" wrote in message
...
"I" don't have a list, so it's a cheap shot.
Empress Otku wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert"
wrote:

cheap shot..............

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going
to Africa next.

Liberia really looks like a messy place.

~Empress

"`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer
Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' "
~Empress

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

West Africa has huge undeveloped oil reserves. Nigeria is a large oil
producer, but all we know about Chad is that they are sitting on lots of
oil. No wonder we are sending troops to Africa.
"jps" wrote in message
...
Oh, so Iraq is your one and only hot spot? I expect your reasons were
different from our administration's. It's becoming more and more clear
that
Iraq was simply the weak kid on the block sitting atop the SECOND LARGEST
KNOWN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD.

Golly, I wonder if that played into their strategy. Every other excuse
seems to have run aground.


"Robert" wrote in message
...
"I" don't have a list, so it's a cheap shot.
Empress Otku wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert"
wrote:

cheap shot..............

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going
to Africa next.

Liberia really looks like a messy place.

~Empress

"`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer
Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' "
~Empress

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marco wrote:

give it a rest, if you don't like it here LEAVE

Where is here fore you?
This is the internet. Wake up!

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"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
In article , Empress Otku
wrote:
On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is
rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick
countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then
proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction",
which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is
paid for by your furniture sales.

Do you see anything wrong with the picture?

I guess not.

But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a
legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without
permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign
government in Iraq anymore.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

**** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few
months ago

And you base this assertion on what?

They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime
is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off.

and we've paid quite a price already. I wouldn't have
given one of those now dead U.S. and U.K. young men for a thousand
Iraqi lives, but I don't make those choices, do I?

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.


And no one else in the world beleived them at the time. Neither did I. Even
at the time, I thought it was so much crap to gen up a nice re-election oil
grab war. Now, why are we not allowing our very, very willing allies to help
us with reconstruction? We want oil, baby. And "reconstruction contracts."
**** the people is damned right. They should be grateful. And we should get
PAID. /sarcasm

They are now trying to obfuscate the issue of their lying, shifting
the discussion towards "we do not know what is there and maybe we'll
find something out". But the truth is, they had nothing on Iraqi WMD
and lied about that.

Maybe the Bush admin was/is stupid (that error about the

no doubt about that... They are stupid in addition to criminal.

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.


Tovarying degres. But any way you slice it, the two party system is just a
way of deciding whcih set of self service scumbags adheres to a policy
choice that comes most close to your own.

nuclear shopping in Africa was more than embarrassing) but they had a
difficult decision to make based on common knowledge.

It was a lie, not an error.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

I don't feel sorry for the Iraqis in this mess, Igor. At least, not
the ones who are so stupid as to sabotage their own oil lines.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.



I agree with you on some front. I agree that the Iraqi people are in a mess.
And the poor soldiers are sitting ducks for target practice. But there is
one more choice besides go and stay, and that is get international
assistance and actually cease taking all the heat for the troubles by
getting things done, or at least sharing the work. But the administration
won't do that for one reason only. Money.

They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is
not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary
iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

Obviously, I disagree that they've done "zip" but admittedly, I'm not
ready yet to claim victory, either. (For example, I don't see much
happening in Afghanistan to support my expectations; I'm very sorry
about that.)

That's good that you are sorry about something. Accidentally, I do not
has as strong objections about the Afghanistan campaign, which was
based on more than greed, electioneering, and grandstanding.

Igor, I'm touched that I represent the forces of Modern Imperialism in
your mind. You may kiss the hem of my silk brocade robes before you
leave the room.

If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of
your body part except the ass.

i

~Empress

"A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a
headache."
Catherine the Great


~Empress

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Robert wrote:



My. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get you"
I said to myself "it's about time".

Why did Bush stop the investigation in to 911? Does he has something to
hide?
Why was Blix not given more time?
Where is the evidence of WMD?
The infrastructure fore producing the got dismantelt years ago.
Why was Saddam when he was poisoning the Iranians ( years back ) the
good guy?
Why were the Kurds suplyed with false information then and then left alone.?
Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD on
Palestinians but is not a security threat?
I never will forget that the USA was using 8 times they veto fore
sending UN troops to East Timor.
Suharto ( president/ dictator of Indonesia ) was best friend of the USA
then and the murder of 2 million civilians.
It is about the oil of Iraq.
It is about the " New World Order ". Translate as " neo imperialism ".

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Robert wrote:

Follow the money

It is coming mainly from Saudi Arabia.
Or in case of the early Taliban. USA.
Saddams regime was s e c u l a r e.
Iran's regime is religious. Al Qaida is religious.
That's why they had a war with 2 million deaths on both side. ( Iran
Iraq war )
No " wonder " Saddam " likes " Bin Laden ".

"Stephanie S" wrote in message
et...


How do these dots get connected in people's minds. I died laughing, if in
dismay, when I heard the speach by Bin Laden which supposedly proved the
association with Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden liked Hussein almost as little


as


he likes us.

Can someone explain to me the supposed link Irag and Hussein had to 911?
Cause all I see is smoke and mirrors.

S

"Robert" wrote in message
.. .


Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion


and


the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
ebra.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Saddam was also giving money to the suicide bombers and their parent organizations. Whether Iraq wa secular or not is irelevant.
"Xenos the elder" wrote in message ...


Robert wrote:

Follow the moneyIt is coming mainly from Saudi Arabia.
Or in case of the early Taliban. USA.
Saddams regime was s e c u l a r e.
Iran's regime is religious. Al Qaida is religious.
That's why they had a war with 2 million deaths on both side. ( Iran Iraq war )
No " wonder " Saddam " likes " Bin Laden ".

"Stephanie S" wrote in message
t...
How do these dots get connected in people's minds. I died laughing, if in
dismay, when I heard the speach by Bin Laden which supposedly proved the
association with Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden liked Hussein almost as little
as
he likes us.

Can someone explain to me the supposed link Irag and Hussein had to 911?
Cause all I see is smoke and mirrors.

S

"Robert" wrote in message
...
Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion
and
the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

In article , Stephanie S wrote:
I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.


And no one else in the world beleived them at the time. Neither did
I.

Right. It was obvious that they were lying. "We have evidence but we
won't show it".

Even at the time, I thought it was so much crap to gen up a nice
re-election oil grab war. Now, why are we not allowing our very,
very willing allies to help us with reconstruction? We want oil,
baby. And "reconstruction contracts." **** the people is damned
right. They should be grateful. And we should get PAID. /sarcasm

the little difficulty lies in iraqis not wanting to pump their own
oil...

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.


Tovarying degres. But any way you slice it, the two party system is just a
way of deciding whcih set of self service scumbags adheres to a policy
choice that comes most close to your own.

Democrats voted for the Iraq war in Congress. The war was conducted
pretty much as they could expect. So any attempts to distance
themselves from the quite inevitable failures of the Iraq campaign is a
littbe bit disingenious.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.


I agree with you on some front. I agree that the Iraqi people are in a mess.
And the poor soldiers are sitting ducks for target practice. But there is
one more choice besides go and stay, and that is get international
assistance and actually cease taking all the heat for the troubles by
getting things done, or at least sharing the work. But the administration
won't do that for one reason only. Money.

I am not sure if other countries are that willing to send their troops
there. I doubt your premise that there is a lot of willing countries.

i

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On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

SNIPPED

Notice- troll bait crossposted to:
alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.surv ivalism,rec.boats

I must admit, it's an intriguing mix of groups.
noah

Courtesy of Lee Yeaton,
See the boats of rec.boats
www.TheBayGuide.com/rec.boats

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

In article , Empress Otku wrote:
On 11 Jul 2003 17:08:57 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Can we amend that to reflect that the SOB *is* an abuser! Let's just

okay, I did not want to accuse your husband of anything, but you said
it... Just kidding.

Even if he is an abuser... I come in to steal your stuff and not out
of concern for your welfare.

say, for example, he's killed the neighbors and happens to be ****ing
his 12 year old daughter. Personally, *I'd* say, "check out the
basement before you go, please!"

I admit, your points are not without merit as stated, but I think
you're being too simplistic. What if the only family members left are
squabbling about what to do next? Which church to go to, which
brothers to be left out of the will, and so on; backstabbing ensues.
There's no consensus and meanwhile people have to be fed.

Exactly. Once you get there, it is hard to get out. No doubt if the US
got out of Iraq instantly, it could be in some sort of upheaval. That
is why it was important not to get there. Even so, I suspect that the
uheaval from the US not getting out would be even worse.

electricity to the master bedroom only... when you get on an
airplane they tell you to put the oxygen mask over your own face
first, then assist the child you're with.

does not seem like much assistance is going on...

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

Who are the terrorists this time around? You suggest it's the U.S.,
apparently.

In the Iraq case specifically, the US is the wrongdoer.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.

We disagree completely. They may not have had more than a suspicion
this time around,

And yet the Bush admin claimed certainty about their WMD.

I also had a suspicion that Iraq had wmd. But I had no evidence.

but it was a suspicion shared by the international
community. I don't know that I would have made the decision to enter
Iraq, but to say they outright lied about anything other than
(perhaps) the nuclear issue is not correct.

Empress, they had no evidence, and yet they repeatedly claimed that
they were certain about Iraqi wmd.

snippage

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.

This we agree on, for the most part.

outstanding.

i

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On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

Actually, the money is going to Carthage, in the form of bribes, to
pay for Visigoth mercenaries, to storm Byzantium, and to reestablish
the Mayan Empire but in the Middle East. The Holy Oil will be used to
light the ritual torches used to illuminate the pyramid top human
sacrifices of Jewish babies and in doing so, restore the Sahara to its
former glory as the home of Atlantis.

Hey, works for me.

Gunner

"What do you call someone in possesion of all the facts? Paranoid.-William Burroughs

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

On 11 Jul 2003 22:47:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:


Democrats voted for the Iraq war in Congress. The war was conducted
pretty much as they could expect. So any attempts to distance
themselves from the quite inevitable failures of the Iraq campaign is a
littbe bit disingenious.

What failures?

Gunner

"What do you call someone in possesion of all the facts? Paranoid.-William Burroughs

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

The USA is giving money to Israel.
More Palestinian civilians have lost they life's then Israelian civilians.
It the moment about 42% of the west bank and gaza are occupied by jewish
" Settlers ".
Come to think of it, it reminds me of the early history of the USA.
Weapon's of mass destruction? Israel has plenty of them.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_isr...abstracts.html

Robert wrote:

Saddam was also giving money to the suicide bombers and their parent
organizations. Whether Iraq wa secular or not is irelevant.

It is relevant if you want to establish a link between the religious
fanatics of 911 and a secular dictator.

"Xenos the elder"
wrote in message
...


Robert wrote:

Follow the money

It is coming mainly from Saudi Arabia.
Or in case of the early Taliban. USA.
Saddams regime was s e c u l a r e.
Iran's regime is religious. Al Qaida is religious.
That's why they had a war with 2 million deaths on both side. (
Iran Iraq war )
No " wonder " Saddam " likes " Bin Laden ".

"Stephanie S" wrote in message
. net...


How do these dots get connected in people's minds. I died laughing, if in
dismay, when I heard the speach by Bin Laden which supposedly proved the
association with Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden liked Hussein almost as little


as


he likes us.

Can someone explain to me the supposed link Irag and Hussein had to 911?
Cause all I see is smoke and mirrors.

S

"Robert" wrote in message
. ..


Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion


and


the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
gebra.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Israeli use of napalm in Lebanon:

http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/more-pics/
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/3...d?OpenDocument

`` - On 28 July, in the central sector of southern Lebanon, Israeli
fighter aircraft and Cobra helicopters carried out scores of raids on
villages in the area and on the town of Nabatiye, reducing parts of it
to rubble. Napalm was used in the raids, causing widespread
fires. Raids were directed against Douair, destroying homes and the
mosque, Zawtar al-Charqiye, Zawtar al-Gharbiye, Haruf, Tibnine,
Charqiye, whose mosque and school were destroyed, Zibdine, Kafr Sir,
Maifadoun, Kafr Roumman, Choukine, Habbouch and Jibchit. This was
followed by heavy artillery shelling which caused heavy damage.''

i

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Robert wrote:

Xenos, refresh my memory, When did Israel use WMD on the Palestinians?



Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD on
Palestinians but is not a security threat?








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Sorry, I just can't agree. When you are seeking help from someone to avenge your enemies, you don't really care what their religion is as long as their willing to do your dirty work. Saddam had terrorist training camps in Iraq. Saddam did not have to believe in radical Islam in order to use it's fanatics for his own purposes. This is not difficult to understand, is it?
Robert wrote:

Saddam was also giving money to the suicide bombers and their parent organizations. Whether Iraq wa secular or not is irelevant.
It is relevant if you want to establish a link between the religious fanatics of 911 and a secular dictator.

Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
 

Napalm is neither a nuclear weapon nor a biological weapon and therefore
would not be considered a WMD. It is a cruel way to kill people, but then
killing any innocent person is cruel now isn't it?
"Ignoramus14756" wrote in message
a.com...
Israeli use of napalm in Lebanon:

http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/more-pics/

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/3...4688d?OpenDocu
ment

`` - On 28 July, in the central sector of southern Lebanon, Israeli
fighter aircraft and Cobra helicopters carried out scores of raids on
villages in the area and on the town of Nabatiye, reducing parts of it
to rubble. Napalm was used in the raids, causing widespread
fires. Raids were directed against Douair, destroying homes and the
mosque, Zawtar al-Charqiye, Zawtar al-Gharbiye, Haruf, Tibnine,
Charqiye, whose mosque and school were destroyed, Zibdine, Kafr Sir,
Maifadoun, Kafr Roumman, Choukine, Habbouch and Jibchit. This was
followed by heavy artillery shelling which caused heavy damage.''

i

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You are right. I have seen it on the BBC channel.
On Kurdish controlled territory were terrorist camps.


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You are probably getting your information from TV soundbites. I
personally read a clarinet newsgroup where all major news stories from
some news agencies are posted. It may be available from your
newsserver.

As far as I know, there were no terrorist training camps on Saddam
controlled territory. There were, however, such camps on Kurdish
controlled (with US backing) territory.

That you are misinformed is actually a testament to a misinformation
campaign going on. They would announce loudly that terrorist camps
were found in Iraq, but would forget to mention that they were in the
Kurd territory over which Saddam did not have much say.


i



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Stephanie and Tim wrote:
Where did you hear this? If the Taliban regularly calls for antifada,
how can the secularness of Iraq be irrelevant?

Antipasta with sugarlness? Guess that this has relevance for alt.cooking,
and maybe misc.survivalism, but I am struggling with alt.aupport.marriage
and alt.support.divorce (rec.boats - we'll leave that one alone).

S


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Where did you hear this? If the Taliban regularly calls for antifada, how
can the secularness of Iraq be irrelevant?

S


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"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
a.com...
In article , Stephanie S
wrote:
I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.


And no one else in the world beleived them at the time. Neither did
I.

Right. It was obvious that they were lying. "We have evidence but we
won't show it".

Even at the time, I thought it was so much crap to gen up a nice
re-election oil grab war. Now, why are we not allowing our very,
very willing allies to help us with reconstruction? We want oil,
baby. And "reconstruction contracts." **** the people is damned
right. They should be grateful. And we should get PAID. /sarcasm

the little difficulty lies in iraqis not wanting to pump their own
oil...

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.


Tovarying degres. But any way you slice it, the two party system is just
a
way of deciding whcih set of self service scumbags adheres to a policy
choice that comes most close to your own.

Democrats voted for the Iraq war in Congress. The war was conducted
pretty much as they could expect. So any attempts to distance
themselves from the quite inevitable failures of the Iraq campaign is a
littbe bit disingenious.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.


I agree with you on some front. I agree that the Iraqi people are in a
mess.
And the poor soldiers are sitting ducks for target practice. But there
is
one more choice besides go and stay, and that is get international
assistance and actually cease taking all the heat for the troubles by
getting things done, or at least sharing the work. But the
administration
won't do that for one reason only. Money.

I am not sure if other countries are that willing to send their troops
there. I doubt your premise that there is a lot of willing countries.

i


According to the news report I heard the other day, there are lots of
various reconstruction resources. I do not know about troops, specifically.

S