Jim wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Sep 4, 11:48?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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I don't disagree with most of the above, except it would surprise
me if,
as a Federal Government Agency, that the Coast Guard had different
scripts
in the training programs.
I've never heard a Coast Guard Pan Pan call in your area, so I can't
judge.

BTW ... the "script" around here is close to .... "vessels in the
area are
instructed to keep a sharp lookout and to provide assistance, if
possible"

The wording may not be exact ... I'll check it when I get back to
the boat
and look it up along with the "legal obligation" to assist reference I
alluded to. My "stuff" is on the boat.

Eisboch

I don't recall hearing the term "sharp lookout" used in the standard
marine assistance broadcast in the NW.

Could you get the script and post it here? We must have accurate
information.



Ol' Chuck has his dukes up and is ready, willing and able to fight
everyone over everything.

I think we need our own Homeland Security warning system to accommodate
Chuck's dark-sided moods:


http://tinyurl.com/38zfcm

On Sep 4, 2:23?pm, HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Sep 4, 11:48?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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I don't disagree with most of the above, except it would surprise
me if,
as a Federal Government Agency, that the Coast Guard had different
scripts
in the training programs.
I've never heard a Coast Guard Pan Pan call in your area, so I can't
judge.

BTW ... the "script" around here is close to .... "vessels in the
area are
instructed to keep a sharp lookout and to provide assistance, if
possible"

The wording may not be exact ... I'll check it when I get back to
the boat
and look it up along with the "legal obligation" to assist reference I
alluded to. My "stuff" is on the boat.

Eisboch

I don't recall hearing the term "sharp lookout" used in the standard
marine assistance broadcast in the NW.

Could you get the script and post it here? We must have accurate
information.

Ol' Chuck has his dukes up and is ready, willing and able to fight
everyone over everything.

I think we need our own Homeland Security warning system to accommodate
Chuck's dark-sided moods:

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???????????????

Eisboch and I were comparing the verbiage used in marine assistance
request broadcasts from two different USCG districts. How is that a
fight?

I fail to see where either one of us told the other "You're wrong...."

On Sep 4, 12:34?pm, HK wrote:


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How many tows did you provide in your 115 hours underway in the last
several years? Or, maybe you do your towing with the lobsta boat?

On Sep 4, 2:13?pm, "Jim" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Sep 4, 11:48?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

om...

I don't disagree with most of the above, except it would surprise me
if,
as a Federal Government Agency, that the Coast Guard had different
scripts
in the training programs.
I've never heard a Coast Guard Pan Pan call in your area, so I can't
judge.

BTW ... the "script" around here is close to .... "vessels in the area
are
instructed to keep a sharp lookout and to provide assistance, if
possible"

The wording may not be exact ... I'll check it when I get back to the
boat
and look it up along with the "legal obligation" to assist reference I
alluded to. My "stuff" is on the boat.

Eisboch

I don't recall hearing the term "sharp lookout" used in the standard
marine assistance broadcast in the NW.

Could you get the script and post it here? We must have accurate
information.

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Why?

Whatever verbiage your particular USCG district chooses to use is
perdectly fine. I wasn't aware that there were differences, but as
Eisboch is remarking that he has never heard some of the terms I am
quoting and I have never heard some of the terms he is quoting
apparently there are different procedures.

A script is used because each time a broadcast goes out the wording is
exactly the same, regardless of the radio operator on duty.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:34?pm, HK wrote:

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How many tows did you provide in your 115 hours underway in the last
several years? Or, maybe you do your towing with the lobsta boat?



More times than you dove off your boat for a swim, I am sure.

On Sep 4, 11:48?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...



I don't disagree with most of the above, except it would surprise me if,
as a Federal Government Agency, that the Coast Guard had different scripts
in the training programs.
I've never heard a Coast Guard Pan Pan call in your area, so I can't
judge.

BTW ... the "script" around here is close to .... "vessels in the area are
instructed to keep a sharp lookout and to provide assistance, if possible"

The wording may not be exact ... I'll check it when I get back to the boat
and look it up along with the "legal obligation" to assist reference I
alluded to. My "stuff" is on the boat.

Eisboch

Checking with the USCG Radio Watchstander's guide confirms that
a MARB (Marine Assistance Request Broadcast) shall be worded in a
manner that "invites" fellow mariners to respond with aid.

http://www.uscg.mil/d1/units/gruport...M_16120_7A.pdf


And of course you are right that there is a difference between a
MAYDAY and a MARB. No question whatsoever there.

D-unit wrote:
After getting drenched in a heavy downpour last week and on my way
home, I notice a fellow off to the side of the ICW *walking* his boat
up the waterway. He waves and appears to be in distress so I turn
around to see what's up.

Turns out,

His battery is dead. I hand over my battery booster which doesn't help
much. (Im wondering if I shouldn't have bought a larger one) He then
asks me to tow him to the wildlife ramp. (approx. 3-4 miles)
to which I reluctantly replied ok. He said a couple other guys had stopped
but refused to give him a tow. I have never had to tow anyone but was
willing to help the guy out.

I did irk me that he had no back up of any kind. i.e. extra battery, paddle.
battery booster.

When we got to the ramp, he offered no *thank you* but a "what do I owe
you"?
A thank you would have sufficed, I guess that's what he meant.

Afterwards, I starting thinking about what my obligations are in similar
situations.

I think Im only legally obligated to lend assistance only if it is a dire
situation or
someone is hurt. Maybe someone could clear this up.




I am sure someone will chime in with the "obligations stuff". Anyway I
have never left anyone stranded. And have never accepted any money in
return. We have have a few outings interrupted. But not that many. I
think I have towed maybe three boats in the last ten years.

There was one guy I was about ready to cut lose after he told me his
starter had been going out of over a year. It was going to be a long tow
as well. Apparently the starter cooled enought to fire it up just after
this little fact was presented to me :-)

Capt Jack R..

"Jack Redington" wrote in message
...
D-unit wrote:
After getting drenched in a heavy downpour last week and on my way
home, I notice a fellow off to the side of the ICW *walking* his boat
up the waterway. He waves and appears to be in distress so I turn
around to see what's up.

Turns out,

His battery is dead. I hand over my battery booster which doesn't help
much. (Im wondering if I shouldn't have bought a larger one) He then
asks me to tow him to the wildlife ramp. (approx. 3-4 miles)
to which I reluctantly replied ok. He said a couple other guys had
stopped
but refused to give him a tow. I have never had to tow anyone but was
willing to help the guy out.

I did irk me that he had no back up of any kind. i.e. extra battery,
paddle.
battery booster.

When we got to the ramp, he offered no *thank you* but a "what do I owe
you"?
A thank you would have sufficed, I guess that's what he meant.

Afterwards, I starting thinking about what my obligations are in similar
situations.

I think Im only legally obligated to lend assistance only if it is a dire
situation or
someone is hurt. Maybe someone could clear this up.




I am sure someone will chime in with the "obligations stuff". Anyway I
have never left anyone stranded. And have never accepted any money in
return. We have have a few outings interrupted. But not that many. I
think I have towed maybe three boats in the last ten years.

There was one guy I was about ready to cut lose after he told me his
starter had been going out of over a year. It was going to be a long tow
as well. Apparently the starter cooled enought to fire it up just after
this little fact was presented to me :-)

Capt Jack R..


Years ago, I was in my 14' skiff, and a guy grounds on the dredging spoils
for San Leandro harbor channel. I manage to get this about 30' boat off the
mud. Left him after he again runs out of the well marked channel, pilings
all along the channel, and grounds again. He needed a lesson and could
contemplate where he screwed up while waiting for high tide.

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:27:23 -0400, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

After getting drenched in a heavy downpour last week and on my way
home, I notice a fellow off to the side of the ICW *walking* his boat
up the waterway. He waves and appears to be in distress so I turn
around to see what's up.

Turns out,

His battery is dead. I hand over my battery booster which doesn't help
much. (Im wondering if I shouldn't have bought a larger one) He then
asks me to tow him to the wildlife ramp. (approx. 3-4 miles)
to which I reluctantly replied ok. He said a couple other guys had stopped
but refused to give him a tow. I have never had to tow anyone but was
willing to help the guy out.

I did irk me that he had no back up of any kind. i.e. extra battery, paddle.
battery booster.

When we got to the ramp, he offered no *thank you* but a "what do I owe
you"?
A thank you would have sufficed, I guess that's what he meant.

Afterwards, I starting thinking about what my obligations are in similar
situations.

I think Im only legally obligated to lend assistance only if it is a dire
situation or
someone is hurt. Maybe someone could clear this up.

A few thoughts:

1) You lend assistance to the crew and passengers, not the vessel....
so, just waiting at the scene until "assistance" comes is a legal
option.

2) Those advising against any further help may actually be putting
caution and common sense ahead of being a good Samaritan. In a
litigious society, that may not be an all bad idea. (What would the
outcome have been had you been accused of damaging the towed boat in
some way?)

3) It isn't really legal to accept any sort of compensation for this
sort of tow unless you have a Captain's License with a Commercial Tow
Assist endorsement.

Personally, I, too, would have given him a careful tow to Wildlife and
accepted no pay.... but recognize that there could be some liability
incurred, especially if the towee is the sort of person disinclined
to offer appreciation for the voluntary assist.

YMMV.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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On Sep 5, 11:27 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:27:23 -0400, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





After getting drenched in a heavy downpour last week and on my way
home, I notice a fellow off to the side of the ICW *walking* his boat
up the waterway. He waves and appears to be in distress so I turn
around to see what's up.

Turns out,

His battery is dead. I hand over my battery booster which doesn't help
much. (Im wondering if I shouldn't have bought a larger one) He then
asks me to tow him to the wildlife ramp. (approx. 3-4 miles)
to which I reluctantly replied ok. He said a couple other guys had stopped
but refused to give him a tow. I have never had to tow anyone but was
willing to help the guy out.

I did irk me that he had no back up of any kind. i.e. extra battery, paddle.
battery booster.

When we got to the ramp, he offered no *thank you* but a "what do I owe
you"?
A thank you would have sufficed, I guess that's what he meant.

Afterwards, I starting thinking about what my obligations are in similar
situations.

I think Im only legally obligated to lend assistance only if it is a dire
situation or
someone is hurt. Maybe someone could clear this up.

A few thoughts:

1) You lend assistance to the crew and passengers, not the vessel....
so, just waiting at the scene until "assistance" comes is a legal
option.

2) Those advising against any further help may actually be putting
caution and common sense ahead of being a good Samaritan. In a
litigious society, that may not be an all bad idea. (What would the
outcome have been had you been accused of damaging the towed boat in
some way?)

3) It isn't really legal to accept any sort of compensation for this
sort of tow unless you have a Captain's License with a Commercial Tow
Assist endorsement.

Personally, I, too, would have given him a careful tow to Wildlife and
accepted no pay.... but recognize that there could be some liability
incurred, especially if the towee is the sort of person disinclined
to offer appreciation for the voluntary assist.

YMMV.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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We found a guy in a big boat sitting on it's side in low tide behind
Seldon Island in Deep River CT, on the CT river. Of course, no one
told him the tide was going out so he was stuck until morning. My
Sears Jon, was not going to get him out, so we gave him the food and
drinks from the cooler to keep him for the night. High tide was going
to be about 6 am iirc.. His "buddies" had hiked out and left him
there for the night, yuppies, geeze... It was the 80's then, my jeep
bumper sticker read "die yuppie scum" But he was a boater after all.