Why Do Boats Sink?
 

"Now let's examine the studies findings on vessels that sank while underway.
The single most critical reason boats are flooded on open water has to do
with transom height. Thirteen of the 15 boats in this category were
outboard-powered and the engine cutouts were often only inches above the
water. The motor wells in some cases were too low, too shallow, and too slow
to drain. The lack of freeboard aft allowed seas to board, "pooping" the
boat as water came over the stern. Slow draining wells caused the boat to
sit lower on her lines due to the weight of the water, further compounding
the problem of low transom height. Another contributing factor is typically
weight distribution. The addition of trolling motors, large coolers, and
bait wells, among other things, decrease buoyancy aft and trim the vessel
down by the stern, in turn decreasing freeboard aft."

Excerpted from "Why do boats sink" by Ocean Marine Services Marine
Surveyors.

http://www.oceanmarineservices.com/w...boats_sink.htm

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

"rom" wrote in message news:ob7wi.4699$%t4.692@trnddc03...

"Now let's examine ........


Can you spell "obsessed"?

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

JimH wrote:
"rom" wrote in message news:ob7wi.4699$%t4.692@trnddc03...
"Now let's examine ........


Can you spell "obsessed"?




He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to get a
rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of their
lives, either. :}

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:22:44 -0400, HK wrote:

He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to get a
rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of their
lives, either. :}

With all due respect Harry, you do seem a bit sensitive about it. I
was reassured however when you said it can't happen to you.

NOYBY, Shortwave and I have all been hung up on crab pots or lobster
pots at one time or another, so it's good to know that someone has
figured out how to avoid them.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

On Aug 13, 8:03 pm, "rom" wrote:
"Now let's examine the studies findings on vessels that sank while underway.
The single most critical reason boats are flooded on open water has to do
with transom height. Thirteen of the 15 boats in this category were
outboard-powered and the engine cutouts were often only inches above the
water. The motor wells in some cases were too low, too shallow, and too slow
to drain. The lack of freeboard aft allowed seas to board, "pooping" the
boat as water came over the stern. Slow draining wells caused the boat to
sit lower on her lines due to the weight of the water, further compounding
the problem of low transom height. Another contributing factor is typically
weight distribution. The addition of trolling motors, large coolers, and
bait wells, among other things, decrease buoyancy aft and trim the vessel
down by the stern, in turn decreasing freeboard aft."

Excerpted from "Why do boats sink" by Ocean Marine Services Marine
Surveyors.

http://www.oceanmarineservices.com/w...boats_sink.htm

Why not simply say: "Because they can..."

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:22:44 -0400, HK wrote:

He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to get a
rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of their
lives, either. :}

With all due respect Harry, you do seem a bit sensitive about it. I
was reassured however when you said it can't happen to you.

NOYBY, Shortwave and I have all been hung up on crab pots or lobster
pots at one time or another, so it's good to know that someone has
figured out how to avoid them.

It is very easy to avoid them, just don't use the boat.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

Or even, :because they should..."
JR

Tim wrote:




Why not simply say: "Because they can..."



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JimH wrote:
"rom" wrote in message news:ob7wi.4699$%t4.692@trnddc03...
"Now let's examine ........


Can you spell "obsessed"?


This is a boating group, doesn't it make sense to discuss real boating
issues?

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rom wrote:
"Now let's examine the studies findings on vessels that sank while underway.
The single most critical reason boats are flooded on open water has to do
with transom height. Thirteen of the 15 boats in this category were
outboard-powered and the engine cutouts were often only inches above the
water. The motor wells in some cases were too low, too shallow, and too slow
to drain. The lack of freeboard aft allowed seas to board, "pooping" the
boat as water came over the stern. Slow draining wells caused the boat to
sit lower on her lines due to the weight of the water, further compounding
the problem of low transom height. Another contributing factor is typically
weight distribution. The addition of trolling motors, large coolers, and
bait wells, among other things, decrease buoyancy aft and trim the vessel
down by the stern, in turn decreasing freeboard aft."

Excerpted from "Why do boats sink" by Ocean Marine Services Marine
Surveyors.

http://www.oceanmarineservices.com/w...boats_sink.htm



Boat/US included that article in their Seaworthy Magazine: "Why Boats
Sink (And How to Keep Them Afloat"
http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/sinking/

This is a brochure they mail to all those they insure, as a way to
decrease claims.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:22:44 -0400, HK wrote:

He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to get a
rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of their
lives, either. :}

With all due respect Harry, you do seem a bit sensitive about it. I
was reassured however when you said it can't happen to you.

NOYBY, Shortwave and I have all been hung up on crab pots or lobster
pots at one time or another, so it's good to know that someone has
figured out how to avoid them.


I've been hung up on one, too. But I have as much small boat-salt water
experience as anyone posting here, and I don't see it as an issue with
the boat I just bought. Of the rough water issues I cannot easily
control by boatmanship or reflexes, I am more concerned about taking a
greenie over the bow and the amount of time it takes to get the possibly
huge volume of water out of the boat. If I were concerned about the
transom on the new Parker, I'd install a splash board.

It's kinda funny to read this stuff here, especially from the dryland
boaters. The "Euro" transom on most small boats or the "full transoms"
with motor wells on most small boats aren't going to keep those boats
from swamping by waves coming over the transom. The water will pour
aboard and just keep coming, and the little bitty drain holes at the
transom aren't going to help.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to get a
rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of their lives,
either. :}


http://www.eisboch.com/2qun2jm.jpg

Eisboch ..... :-)

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

It's kinda funny to read this stuff here, especially from the dryland
boaters.

Yep, nothing better to do with their time that jerk themselves off ranting
on newsgroups.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to get a
rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of their lives,
either. :}


http://www.eisboch.com/2qun2jm.jpg

Eisboch ..... :-)




Gosh...the possibility of getting wet while on a boat...the horror of it.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

He's just part of the group of a**holes who try and try and try to
get a rise out of me. I doubt they have much success in the rest of
their lives, either. :}


http://www.eisboch.com/2qun2jm.jpg

Eisboch ..... :-)



Gosh...the possibility of getting wet while on a boat...the horror of it.

Everyone will get wet on a boat, but if you can get a quality boat
without a large hole in the transom, one that will stay substantially
drier than one with a very low transom why would one want to?

Now if you actually went boating in the early spring and late fall, you
would appreciate the reason why most boats don't have a large hole cut
out of the transom.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

Gene Kearns wrote:


Ditto the low transom stuff. Obviously, it isn't the Parker brand
because they are made next to and for the NC coastal waters.

Gene,

Even Parker Boats believe a full transom is the preferred transom. On
their FAQ web page under the quesiton:
What is the purpose of the outboard bracket?


They respond : the full transom is appealing because it provides a
barrier from following seas.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:32:18 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
if y
Ditto the low transom stuff. Obviously, it isn't the Parker brand
because they are made next to and for the NC coastal waters.
Gene,

Even Parker Boats believe a full transom is the preferred transom. On
their FAQ web page under the quesiton:
What is the purpose of the outboard bracket?


They respond : the full transom is appealing because it provides a
barrier from following seas.

I don't doubt that.... a barrier to following seas to keep your feet
dry. A low transom doen't sink a boat unless other design flaws are
present.

A cut-away transom wouldn't be my choice and wasn't when I was looking
for a boat. I passed up a number of boats (Gradys and otherwise)
specifically because they had low transoms. However, I never felt that
a low transom was cause for sinking.... as long as the boat is
engineered to drain.


If you boated inland on little lakes, of course, you'd think otherwise,
especially if you had nothing to add to a newsgroup other than what you
could cut and paste, usually out of context, from the internet.

Why Do Boats Sink?
 

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:32:18 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
if y
Ditto the low transom stuff. Obviously, it isn't the Parker brand
because they are made next to and for the NC coastal waters.
Gene,

Even Parker Boats believe a full transom is the preferred transom.
On their FAQ web page under the quesiton:
What is the purpose of the outboard bracket?


They respond : the full transom is appealing because it provides a
barrier from following seas.

I don't doubt that.... a barrier to following seas to keep your feet
dry. A low transom doen't sink a boat unless other design flaws are
present.

A cut-away transom wouldn't be my choice and wasn't when I was looking
for a boat. I passed up a number of boats (Gradys and otherwise)
specifically because they had low transoms. However, I never felt that
a low transom was cause for sinking.... as long as the boat is
engineered to drain.


If you boated inland on little lakes, of course, you'd think otherwise,
especially if you had nothing to add to a newsgroup other than what you
could cut and paste, usually out of context, from the internet.

Harry,
This thread has been very informative for me and probably others. If
you think about it, even you have learned something from the thread.
Originally you thought that a good helmsman would not have any problem
with the cabin getting wet in following seas or otherwise. Now your
position is that while your feet will get wet, it is no big deal, so it
seems that you are better informed today, than when this conversation
was started.

The only open transom boat I have been on that drained quick enough had
a completely open transom along the entire stern. Water would come on
board very easily, and would leave just as quickly, but it definitely
was a very wet boat. If we were boating in the early spring or fall, we
always wore full foul weather gear, including pants and boots, and taped
the pants around the boots with duct tape to keep the water from filling
the boats.

I realize this is not as much fun for you as wishing that the Walmart
Executives would all commit suicide, but this is a boating NG. My guess
is their is a NG specially set up to discuss Walmart.