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So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
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So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Aug 10, 5:33 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Like to be the captain of the big boat. Just like a video game, you get to swamp the econo-terrorist before he gets to cause a huge accident on the water, spike a tree, or burn down your family business;) |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
JimH wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. Are you a greenie Harry or do you just pretend to be like AlGore? |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. Are you a greenie Harry or do you just pretend to be like AlGore? I'm not a fan of uniformed thuggery. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. Are you a greenie Harry or do you just pretend to be like AlGore? I'm not a fan of uniformed thuggery. Don't do the crime unless you can do the time. I love to see criminals apprehended by law enforcement. ;-) |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. Are you a greenie Harry or do you just pretend to be like AlGore? I'm not a fan of uniformed thuggery. Don't do the crime unless you can do the time. I love to see criminals apprehended by law enforcement. ;-) I like to see law enforcement expend its resources on preventing serious crime and capturing serious criminals. But, of course, law enforcement does very little of that. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. Are you a greenie Harry or do you just pretend to be like AlGore? I'm not a fan of uniformed thuggery. Don't do the crime unless you can do the time. I love to see criminals apprehended by law enforcement. ;-) I like to see law enforcement expend its resources on preventing serious crime and capturing serious criminals. But, of course, law enforcement does very little of that. Whatever. I will not get into a ****ing match with you on your statement as we all know it is nothing but BS. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys
failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. I know police have a job to do and overwhelming force to end the situation quickly might be safer in the long run. My problem is when they turn tail and run like scared chickens when confronted with a force that might stand nose to nose with them, even if only for a short time. We had a situation like that here where the police went into a certain minority's community to try to diffuse a situation. A lot of media went in to record the event. The police 'Swat team' hi-tailed it out a back escape when the entire aggitated community turned out to confront them. The media were left on their own to run a gauntlet of punks throwing boulders at them. One of our cameramen narrowly escaped injury when one rock dented the front piller on a company car and a radio crew had to abandon a rental car, which was found stripped the next day. Another case was in the central part of the country a number of years ago when native Americans blockcaded an entire town. The natives sneaked around wearing combat clothing and face masks and even shot and killed one police officer. The cops retreated back to safe lines and called for the army to bail them out. On the other hand when confronted by unarmed peaceful demonstrators in British Columbia a few years ago, one fat assed RCMP Sgt. quickly whipped out a commercial fire extinguisher sized can of pepper spray and doused anyone in sight...women children, a CBC cameraman etc. So to summarize... the cops are brave as hell when the advantage is overwhelming in their favour.. but no so when the odds are even or the reverse. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Aug 10, 9:50 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. I know police have a job to do and overwhelming force to end the situation quickly might be safer in the long run. My problem is when they turn tail and run like scared chickens when confronted with a force that might stand nose to nose with them, even if only for a short time. We had a situation like that here where the police went into a certain minority's community to try to diffuse a situation. A lot of media went in to record the event. The police 'Swat team' hi-tailed it out a back escape when the entire aggitated community turned out to confront them. The media were left on their own to run a gauntlet of punks throwing boulders at them. One of our cameramen narrowly escaped injury when one rock dented the front piller on a company car and a radio crew had to abandon a rental car, which was found stripped the next day. Another case was in the central part of the country a number of years ago when native Americans blockcaded an entire town. The natives sneaked around wearing combat clothing and face masks and even shot and killed one police officer. The cops retreated back to safe lines and called for the army to bail them out. On the other hand when confronted by unarmed peaceful demonstrators in British Columbia a few years ago, one fat assed RCMP Sgt. quickly whipped out a commercial fire extinguisher sized can of pepper spray and doused anyone in sight...women children, a CBC cameraman etc. So to summarize... the cops are brave as hell when the advantage is overwhelming in their favour.. but no so when the odds are even or the reverse.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If a cop is doing his job there is no reason for him to confront a more powerful force, just for the sake of bravery. That's like saying you shouldn't avoid a huge bully on the way home from school. As to the SWAT team retreating, they were the wrong tool, they are not equipt for crowd control, the regular uniforms should have been ready to take over as the situation changed. That is a problem with leadership, training, equipment and manpower, logistics, maybe communication, but not the SWAT team. What would you have said if they had turned and defended themselves? Either they would use the tools they had available, probably lethal in most cases, or they would have been beaten and killed themselves, and possibly put some pretty nasty weapons into the hands of the crowd. Which scenario would you prefer? And as for media, you do what you can. Those who lay their lives down for society still have a point where they know to run out of the building. Dying in there helps noone, in fact because heros are what they are, it is likley to draw a rescue team in, only making the situation worse. I don't think it is the police responsiblilty to provide assumed security to the media. They are no different than any other civilian on the scene, no worse, no better, no special considerations. Listen Don, I dislike cops, probably say I hate most locals, staties, not so much, their crime is way out of my league and does not effect me directly, but in the cases you describe, there is a lot more to consider than just the selected video tape. BTW, good to see you had a good trip, although I suspect I may wish it was a little longer soon;) |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:05:28 -0000,
wrote: BTW, good to see you had a good trip, although I suspect I may wish it was a little longer soon;) LOL --Vic |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Aug 10, 8:50 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. I know police have a job to do and overwhelming force to end the situation quickly might be safer in the long run. My problem is when they turn tail and run like scared chickens when confronted with a force that might stand nose to nose with them, even if only for a short time. Waco |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Aug 10, 9:05 pm, wrote:
BTW, good to see you had a good trip, although I suspect I may wish it was a little longer soon:) agreed! Good to have you back, Don. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Aug 10, 5:01 pm, wrote:
On Aug 10, 5:33 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Like to be the captain of the big boat. Just like a video game, you get to swamp the econo-terrorist before he gets to cause a huge accident on the water, spike a tree, or burn down your family business;) In this video, look at about 21-23:00 Looks like that raft that got rammed went right over the top of another! I wonder what those props did? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdptX...elated&search= |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
Tim wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:50 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. I know police have a job to do and overwhelming force to end the situation quickly might be safer in the long run. My problem is when they turn tail and run like scared chickens when confronted with a force that might stand nose to nose with them, even if only for a short time. Waco Or when four or five cops fire 41 shots at a guy pulling his wallet out of his pocket. Or shove a broom handle up another guy's rectum. Or fake evidence in cahoots with the FBI "crime lab." |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:50:09 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. I know police have a job to do and overwhelming force to end the situation quickly might be safer in the long run. My problem is when they turn tail and run like scared chickens when confronted with a force that might stand nose to nose with them, even if only for a short time. We had a situation like that here where the police went into a certain minority's community to try to diffuse a situation. A lot of media went in to record the event. The police 'Swat team' hi-tailed it out a back escape when the entire aggitated community turned out to confront them. The media were left on their own to run a gauntlet of punks throwing boulders at them. One of our cameramen narrowly escaped injury when one rock dented the front piller on a company car and a radio crew had to abandon a rental car, which was found stripped the next day. Another case was in the central part of the country a number of years ago when native Americans blockcaded an entire town. The natives sneaked around wearing combat clothing and face masks and even shot and killed one police officer. The cops retreated back to safe lines and called for the army to bail them out. On the other hand when confronted by unarmed peaceful demonstrators in British Columbia a few years ago, one fat assed RCMP Sgt. quickly whipped out a commercial fire extinguisher sized can of pepper spray and doused anyone in sight...women children, a CBC cameraman etc. So to summarize... the cops are brave as hell when the advantage is overwhelming in their favour.. but no so when the odds are even or the reverse. Would you have had the cops just start spraying the crowd with bullets? I'm sure they could have. -- John H |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
"Tim" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 10, 5:01 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 5:33 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Like to be the captain of the big boat. Just like a video game, you get to swamp the econo-terrorist before he gets to cause a huge accident on the water, spike a tree, or burn down your family business;) In this video, look at about 21-23:00 Looks like that raft that got rammed went right over the top of another! I wonder what those props did? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdptX...elated&search= I like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZG54...elated&search= Shows the greenpeace clown did it to himself in the overhead view. Turning infront of boats faster than you is kind of like suicidal. Not for his smarts, lucky those props didn't go forward a little more ... |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
"Tim" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 10, 9:05 pm, wrote: BTW, good to see you had a good trip, although I suspect I may wish it was a little longer soon:) agreed! Good to have you back, Don. Thank you Tim..good to be back! |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. Are you a greenie Harry or do you just pretend to be like AlGore? I'm not a fan of uniformed thuggery. Harry prefers 535 suit wearing thugs stealing your money and spending it anyway they want. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
Don White wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... In war, as in police operations, a "Fair" fight means the good guys failed to plan well. - A retired cop and retired military man.... "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin68TIr2Rg Wipe out! Wow. The big, brave waterpolice capture a rubber boat. I know police have a job to do and overwhelming force to end the situation quickly might be safer in the long run. My problem is when they turn tail and run like scared chickens when confronted with a force that might stand nose to nose with them, even if only for a short time. There is no reason to engage in a fair fight. We had a situation like that here where the police went into a certain minority's community to try to diffuse a situation. A lot of media went in to record the event. The police 'Swat team' hi-tailed it out a back escape when the entire aggitated community turned out to confront them. The media They lived to fight another day. Oh, and why did you have to say "a certain minority's community?" Is that a code phrase Don? were left on their own to run a gauntlet of punks throwing boulders at them. One of our cameramen narrowly escaped injury when one rock dented the front piller on a company car and a radio crew had to abandon a rental car, which was found stripped the next day. The media gets what they deserve. If they are going into a situation where they may be injured or killed then they have to accept the risks. Property can be replaced, lives cannot. Another case was in the central part of the country a number of years ago when native Americans blockcaded an entire town. The natives sneaked around wearing combat clothing and face masks and even shot and killed one police officer. The cops retreated back to safe lines and called for the army to bail them out. Sounds like a smart group of cops. On the other hand when confronted by unarmed peaceful demonstrators in British Columbia a few years ago, one fat assed RCMP Sgt. quickly whipped out a commercial fire extinguisher sized can of pepper spray and doused anyone in sight...women children, a CBC cameraman etc. Are CBC cameramen immune from police instruction? Would it have been better for the police to use rubber bullets? Would you like to see them shoot real bullets? So to summarize... the cops are brave as hell when the advantage is overwhelming in their favour.. but no so when the odds are even or the reverse. Only idiots continue when the odds are against them. |
So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
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So you say you want to pilot a boat for Greenpeace?
On Aug 11, 10:10 pm, BAR wrote:
So to summarize... the cops are brave as hell when the advantage is overwhelming in their favour.. but no so when the odds are even or the reverse. Only idiots continue when the odds are against them Er, I would think our country's founding fathers might disagree with that statement. |
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