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Placement of nav lights
I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? |
Placement of nav lights
"HK" wrote in message
... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf |
Placement of nav lights
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. |
Placement of nav lights
"HK" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Watch out for that half a degree of visibility. |
Placement of nav lights
On Wed, 08 Aug 07, HK wrote:
showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. It may be technically legal but it's not necessarily safe. Passengers like to stand next to the consol or even in front of it, effectively blocking the light completely, or at least intermittently, making it look like a blinking light. Satisfying the law is one thing. But please locate them so we can see you clearly when you're coming at us in the dark ;-) Rick |
Placement of nav lights
Harry, I asked some questions aboutt he side nav. lights on my 23'
cuddie. They are mounted about midships, and I didn't like the idea that they weren't at the bow, thus giving a deception that someone actually would only see half of the boat. I opted to put a marker light at the front of my boat so an observer would notice the total length of the craft. plus seeing the craft aproaching, it seems to me that it is more obvious with the red/green combination, rather than having them split apart on a 7' beam. Of course, you're on your own on this one, but I prefer the lights up front and not on the sides. wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 07, HK wrote: showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. It may be technically legal but it's not necessarily safe. Passengers like to stand next to the consol or even in front of it, effectively blocking the light completely, or at least intermittently, making it look like a blinking light. Satisfying the law is one thing. But please locate them so we can see you clearly when you're coming at us in the dark ;-) Rick |
Placement of nav lights
On Aug 8, 12:00 pm, HK wrote:
I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? I like others have concerns about obstructions by passengers, fishermen, mounting for covers, etc.. And being a small boater, the other concern about vision distraction at night is very close to my heart. It is about the most annoying problem you can have with lights within line of sight. I did however notice a nice ridge on the sheerline that would be perfect for lights mounted out of the way, unobstructed, and out of sight. Just my opinon. |
Placement of nav lights
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Placement of nav lights
Harry, I must say that your new boat is verry nice. I must also say
that the present bow light is "butt ugly" LOL! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2007-08-08.jpg I can understand why you want to do something different. If it was up to me, I'd leave it there but switch it out to a more stylish and lower profile light. Like this one. http://www.wholesalemarine.com/pc/PK...lor+Light.html wrote: On Aug 8, 12:00 pm, HK wrote: I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? I like others have concerns about obstructions by passengers, fishermen, mounting for covers, etc.. And being a small boater, the other concern about vision distraction at night is very close to my heart. It is about the most annoying problem you can have with lights within line of sight. I did however notice a nice ridge on the sheerline that would be perfect for lights mounted out of the way, unobstructed, and out of sight. Just my opinon. |
Placement of nav lights
On Aug 8, 1:33 pm, Tim wrote:
Harry, I must say that your new boat is verry nice. I must also say that the present bow light is "butt ugly" LOL! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00CC/DSC_02342... Yup, that's the ridge right there, right above the rub strip. I can't find the shot of the inteior, but if there is a bulkhead that transititions the standing area and sitting area in the bow, I might put it adjacent to that. Say you are standing against the bulkhead, starbord side, working over the side, the light will be to your left. Sitting int the bow, it would be to your right if that makes any sense. Either way, unobstructed under normal conditions. |
Placement of nav lights
wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 8, 1:33 pm, Tim wrote: Harry, I must say that your new boat is verry nice. I must also say that the present bow light is "butt ugly" LOL! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00CC/DSC_02342... Yup, that's the ridge right there, right above the rub strip. I can't find the shot of the inteior, but if there is a bulkhead that transititions the standing area and sitting area in the bow, I might put it adjacent to that. Say you are standing against the bulkhead, starbord side, working over the side, the light will be to your left. Sitting int the bow, it would be to your right if that makes any sense. Either way, unobstructed under normal conditions. Saw a boat this weekend that had them in the bow on each side, down about 8" from the gunnels. This was a Canadian built Jetcraft, so may not be a legal USCG :) light setup. http://www.harbercraft.com/images/ph...iscovery-1.jpg somewhat shows them. |
Placement of nav lights
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Placement of nav lights
wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:20:30 -0000, Tim wrote: I opted to put a marker light at the front of my boat so an observer would notice the total length of the craft. Huh? what color? The placemenyt of lights and the color is very important to determine direction of travel of vessels you see. Extra lights can only confuse that issue. Take the test at the end of this link to see what I mean http://www.boatsafe.com/flash/reviewlights.html Gene, when I said "marker" I should have said "navigation" Standard red/green http://www.wholesalemarine.com/pc/PK...Navigation+Lig... |
Placement of nav lights
Gene Kearns wrote: Gene, when I said "marker" I should have said "navigation" Standard red/green http://www.wholesalemarine.com/pc/PK...Navigation+Lig... Wuzzn me. My mistake, Gene, it was: |
Placement of nav lights
On Wed, 08 Aug 07, Tim wrote:
the present bow light is "butt ugly" LOL! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2007-08-08.jpg HARUMPF!!! I respectfully disagree! It's a very common and popular design. Small, unobtrusive, and hardly noticeable when not in use but you wouldn't believe its visibility at night. Easy to change the bulb too. I've owned a couple of boats (and own one presently) with that exact light. I don't know why he wants to move it. I'd guess maybe to mount an anchor roller in that location. Otherwise, I'd leave it alone. I think it looks just fine. Rick |
Placement of nav lights
On Wed, 8 Aug 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Saw a boat this weekend that had them in the bow on each side, down about 8" from the gunnels. Lots of boats come from the factory in that configuration. But those hulls are built with mounting locations already molded in. It would be difficult to add aftermarket lights there. Main problem, getting both the horizontal and vertical angles right on the mounting blocks. Rick |
Placement of nav lights
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:05 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Harry, I'd double think that, first..... For a center console or walk around, I'd rather have the lights where they won't be occluded by somebody standing in the "wrong" place.... Not a problem with Harry's boat. -- John H |
Placement of nav lights
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HK wrote: I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I could not find it in English, and regulations are somewhat country specific. Here is an excerpt from the German regulations http://www.bsh.de/en/Maritime%20ship...gation%20light s/index.jsp (who take it very seriously ...): .... Side lights should indicate the actual width of the ship. If that is not possible they should at least have 85% of the width as their distance. (This is the preferred arrangement - only for smaller boats below 20 meters a combined red/green light at the bow is also acceptable.) They should be at least 1 meter below the top light. ... HTH Marc -- Switzerland/Europe http://www.heusser.com remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail |
Placement of nav lights
HK wrote:
I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? When you close your eyes and imagine that you have a lobster boat, where are they located? If you can get a clear picture of this imaginary vessel into your narcissistic brain, you might find what you're looking for. Dan |
Placement of nav lights
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:33:48 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: This was a Canadian built Jetcraft, so may not be a legal USCG :) light setup. USCG does not specify a location, only a visibility requirement. Personally I'd leave them on the bow or mount individual lights on each side of the hull. I think the center console is a bad idea for all the reasons mentioned by others. |
Placement of nav lights
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:57:22 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom
wrote: When you close your eyes and imagine that you have a lobster boat, where are they located? Now,now. It's really not nice to make fun of someone's imaginary friend. |
Placement of nav lights
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:57:22 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote: When you close your eyes and imagine that you have a lobster boat, where are they located? Now,now. It's really not nice to make fun of someone's imaginary friend. You actually respond to Dirtbag Dan? Sheesh. |
Placement of nav lights
"HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? Are you trolling (pun) or just plain stupid. Those lights are there for a reason. There are lots of rules on those NAV lights. Use them where they and don't be irresponsible jerk. For if you modified them out of spec, and if on the jury on your trial, I would only ask what is the maximum sentence. |
Placement of nav lights
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:05 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Harry, I'd double think that, first..... For a center console or walk around, I'd rather have the lights where they won't be occluded by somebody standing in the "wrong" place.... Not a problem with Harry's boat. -- John H Play nice. |
Placement of nav lights
Calif Bill wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:05 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Harry, I'd double think that, first..... For a center console or walk around, I'd rather have the lights where they won't be occluded by somebody standing in the "wrong" place.... Not a problem with Harry's boat. -- John H Play nice. Please...it's Herringbrain, the guy who gave his boat to his kids so he'd have to drive three hours to see it and therefore have a great excuse not to bother. |
Placement of nav lights
"HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:05 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Harry, I'd double think that, first..... For a center console or walk around, I'd rather have the lights where they won't be occluded by somebody standing in the "wrong" place.... Not a problem with Harry's boat. -- John H Play nice. Please...it's Herringbrain, the guy who gave his boat to his kids so he'd have to drive three hours to see it and therefore have a great excuse not to bother. At least he used his boat. And I have given stuff to the kids also. |
Placement of nav lights
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:18:39 -0400, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:05 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Harry, I'd double think that, first..... For a center console or walk around, I'd rather have the lights where they won't be occluded by somebody standing in the "wrong" place.... Not a problem with Harry's boat. -- John H Play nice. Please...it's Herringbrain, the guy who gave his boat to his kids so he'd have to drive three hours to see it and therefore have a great excuse not to bother. Two. Learn some decent reading habits. -- John H |
Placement of nav lights
Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:13:05 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm removing the bow red/green nav light from the new boat and am thinking of placing one single color nav light on each side of the center console. I can't seem to find the damned rule regarding nav lights. I believe having the red/green lights on the side is perfectly legal, but I'm looking for a "source." The USCG site seems to be down here. Anyone? Ferris? Ferris Bueller? http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/R...AVIGATION.html http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...3cfr118.75.pdf Thanks: "Sidelights - Colored lights - red on port and green on starboard - showing an unbroken arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees, from dead ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on each side." Sidelights it is. Harry, I'd double think that, first..... For a center console or walk around, I'd rather have the lights where they won't be occluded by somebody standing in the "wrong" place.... Not a problem with Harry's boat. -- John H Play nice. Please...it's Herringbrain, the guy who gave his boat to his kids so he'd have to drive three hours to see it and therefore have a great excuse not to bother. At least he used his boat. And I have given stuff to the kids also. One would be hard pressed to use a boat less than Harry has, even if you gave it to your family who lived on the opposite coast than you do. |
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