On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:47:43 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Harry, does the new engine normally come with no prop?



Yup. My invoice lists the boat and its accessories from Parker and a
separate listing for other items, such as a prop. The showroom floor
price of the boat, though, includes the prop.

I actually had not seen this exact model "on the hard." The dealer has a
couple of 21-footers in his showroom, but they're the shallower vee
models and have less freeboard, too. Our new boat has the same hull as
the 2120 pilothouse model. A lot of the guys who buy these 21-foot
Parker center consoles prefer the semi-vees so they can more easily fish
the flats up north.

Here's a better shot of the stern. Note the little "pad" at the bottom
of the vee...

http://tinyurl.com/2tvej7

I just doubled checked the transom where they have cut out for the
engine mount. Is this normal on CC to have it completely open like
that?

There are designs that incorporate a sliding baffle (I'm sorry - I
can' t think of the name so I'm doing the best I can) type door that
enclose the cockpit. You just remove the door to access the engine,
bring a fish aboard, etc.

Most guys I've run with leave it open on the theory that it will drain
the boat quicker if they get caught in heavy wave action. They
replace the door/baffle/whatever in a following sea.

It's not a design I care for.


It does seem like it would be a very wet boat, not only when you
have a following sea, but when you come off of plane, and the wake
collapses and comes rushing up against the transom.

Not really. By the time you are off plane, assuming you just dropped
off plane which is something I never do anyway, the stern has long
since stopped being pushed down and forward. Very little water enters
that way.

But again, not a design I care for.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:47:43 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Harry, does the new engine normally come with no prop?



Yup. My invoice lists the boat and its accessories from Parker and a
separate listing for other items, such as a prop. The showroom floor
price of the boat, though, includes the prop.

I actually had not seen this exact model "on the hard." The dealer has a
couple of 21-footers in his showroom, but they're the shallower vee
models and have less freeboard, too. Our new boat has the same hull as
the 2120 pilothouse model. A lot of the guys who buy these 21-foot
Parker center consoles prefer the semi-vees so they can more easily fish
the flats up north.

Here's a better shot of the stern. Note the little "pad" at the bottom
of the vee...

http://tinyurl.com/2tvej7

I just doubled checked the transom where they have cut out for the
engine mount. Is this normal on CC to have it completely open like
that? It does seem like it would be a very wet boat, not only when you
have a following sea, but when you come off of plane, and the wake
collapses and comes rushing up against the transom.

That's why the feet you can see in the earlier picture were enclosed in
sandals. It appears that the scuppers are about three inches below the
cutout. As they are at deck level, I'd guess Harry's 10 inches is what he
told girls he had.
--
John H

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:47:43 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Harry, does the new engine normally come with no prop?


Yup. My invoice lists the boat and its accessories from Parker and a
separate listing for other items, such as a prop. The showroom floor
price of the boat, though, includes the prop.

I actually had not seen this exact model "on the hard." The dealer has a
couple of 21-footers in his showroom, but they're the shallower vee
models and have less freeboard, too. Our new boat has the same hull as
the 2120 pilothouse model. A lot of the guys who buy these 21-foot
Parker center consoles prefer the semi-vees so they can more easily fish
the flats up north.

Here's a better shot of the stern. Note the little "pad" at the bottom
of the vee...

http://tinyurl.com/2tvej7
I just doubled checked the transom where they have cut out for the
engine mount. Is this normal on CC to have it completely open like
that?

There are designs that incorporate a sliding baffle (I'm sorry - I
can' t think of the name so I'm doing the best I can) type door that
enclose the cockpit. You just remove the door to access the engine,
bring a fish aboard, etc.

Most guys I've run with leave it open on the theory that it will drain
the boat quicker if they get caught in heavy wave action. They
replace the door/baffle/whatever in a following sea.

It's not a design I care for.


It does seem like it would be a very wet boat, not only when you
have a following sea, but when you come off of plane, and the wake
collapses and comes rushing up against the transom.

Not really. By the time you are off plane, assuming you just dropped
off plane which is something I never do anyway, the stern has long
since stopped being pushed down and forward. Very little water enters
that way.

But again, not a design I care for.


It's about 4.75" from the waterline to the center of the scuppers, and
another 4" from the center of the scuppers to the transom cut out. If
you look closely at the photo I posted, you'll see a round bronze drain
below the port scupper. That's the livewell drain. It is above the
waterline.

I used to fish miles offshore in a 12' Amesbury dory with a 7-1/2 hp
Evinrude. That boat had a 15" transom and of course, no splashwell. In
fact, it wasn't self-draining, either, unless you were on plane and
opened the drain plug from the inside.

It's kinda funny to read the commentary of the high and dry posters
worrying about a little water in an open sal****er fishing boat. I don't
think you're really fishing in the ocean unless you've got a little
water in the boat, along with bait, fish blood and guts, empty drink
cans, and chunks of chum. My concern in the ocean is, if I take a
greenie over the bow, how fast can I get the water out of there. It's a
bit easier with a transom cutout.

Remember those great old Makos with the transom cut out two inches above
the waterline?

Remember those great old Makos with the transom cut out two inches above
the waterline?

And waddabout those yankee lobsta boats with no transom. Take a slide on the
deck of those babys and you could end up in the wake.
Jim


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Jim wrote:

Remember those great old Makos with the transom cut out two inches
above the waterline?

And waddabout those yankee lobsta boats with no transom. Take a slide on
the deck of those babys and you could end up in the wake.
Jim



Indeed, there are lots of commercial fishing boats with totally open
transoms and not much freeboard at the stern. I guess the designers of
those boats should have paid more attention to rec.boat's well-known
naval architect and drylander, Reggie Retardo.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:19:20 -0400, HK wrote:

I used to fish miles offshore in a 12' Amesbury dory with a 7-1/2 hp
Evinrude. That boat had a 15" transom and of course, no splashwell. In
fact, it wasn't self-draining, either, unless you were on plane and
opened the drain plug from the inside.

My Dad had a 18' lobster boat with a center well that was based on the
Amesbury dory.

That was an amazingly dry boat, but when we shipped water for one
reason or another, put the boat on plane and pull the plug. :)

HAH!! The good old days.

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:35:41 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


Remember those great old Makos with the transom cut out two inches above
the waterline?

And waddabout those yankee lobsta boats with no transom. Take a slide on the
deck of those babys and you could end up in the wake.

I've seen that happen.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:19:20 -0400, HK wrote:

I used to fish miles offshore in a 12' Amesbury dory with a 7-1/2 hp
Evinrude. That boat had a 15" transom and of course, no splashwell. In
fact, it wasn't self-draining, either, unless you were on plane and
opened the drain plug from the inside.

My Dad had a 18' lobster boat with a center well that was based on the
Amesbury dory.

That was an amazingly dry boat, but when we shipped water for one
reason or another, put the boat on plane and pull the plug. :)

HAH!! The good old days.


But...weren't you worried about getting your feet wet?

On Aug 9, 5:41 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:19:20 -0400, HK wrote:
I used to fish miles offshore in a 12' Amesbury dory with a 7-1/2 hp
Evinrude. That boat had a 15" transom and of course, no splashwell. In
fact, it wasn't self-draining, either, unless you were on plane and
opened the drain plug from the inside.

My Dad had a 18' lobster boat with a center well that was based on the
Amesbury dory.

That was an amazingly dry boat, but when we shipped water for one
reason or another, put the boat on plane and pull the plug. :)

HAH!! The good old days.

You got the shop, you should build one