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"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). I just read the Sept. '07 Consumers Reports and they did a review on pickup trucks. Their comments: Toyota Tundra Highs - Powertrain, telescoping steering wheel, standard ESC, towing, tailgate Lows - Ride, visibility, braking, long reach to some contros, ESC disengaing in 4WD. Black marks - Emergency handling, braking Base price $31,160 As tested $34,738 w/ SR5 trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 6 speed automatic 4WD Chevy Silverado 1500 Highs - Ride, access, ESC, selectable full-time 4WD, powertrain, payload/towing capability Lows - Braking, turning circle, ride Black marks - Emergency handling, braking Base price $34,940 As tested $37,235 w/LT trim line, 5.3 liter vV-8, 4 speed automatic, 4WD Ford F-150 Highs - Cargo space, payload/towing capability, rear seat space Lows - Braking, ride, front-seat comfort, handling, acceleration, turning circle, engine noise, no full-time 4WD or ESC, reliability Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear crash test Base price $32,565 As tested $36,705 w/XLT trim line, 5.4 liter V-8, 4 speed automatic , 4WD Dodge Ram 1500 Highs - Acceleration, full-time 4WD, available ESC, towing capability, rear seat space Lows - Braking, ride, seat comfort, fit and finish, handling, acceleration, turning circle Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear seat comfort, access, rear crash test Base price $31,220 As tested $38,370 w/SLT trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 5 speed automatic, 4WD. Their pick - Toyota Tundra I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. What's ESC? Electronic Stability Control BTW, I owned a ford f150 (modern style, with the V8), and a recent vintage tundra. The ford was fine, but the tundra was far more refined. That is what I am now learning. |
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"JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). I just read the Sept. '07 Consumers Reports and they did a review on pickup trucks. Their comments: Toyota Tundra Highs - Powertrain, telescoping steering wheel, standard ESC, towing, tailgate Lows - Ride, visibility, braking, long reach to some contros, ESC disengaing in 4WD. Black marks - Emergency handling, braking Base price $31,160 As tested $34,738 w/ SR5 trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 6 speed automatic 4WD Chevy Silverado 1500 Highs - Ride, access, ESC, selectable full-time 4WD, powertrain, payload/towing capability Lows - Braking, turning circle, ride Black marks - Emergency handling, braking Base price $34,940 As tested $37,235 w/LT trim line, 5.3 liter vV-8, 4 speed automatic, 4WD Ford F-150 Highs - Cargo space, payload/towing capability, rear seat space Lows - Braking, ride, front-seat comfort, handling, acceleration, turning circle, engine noise, no full-time 4WD or ESC, reliability Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear crash test Base price $32,565 As tested $36,705 w/XLT trim line, 5.4 liter V-8, 4 speed automatic , 4WD Dodge Ram 1500 Highs - Acceleration, full-time 4WD, available ESC, towing capability, rear seat space Lows - Braking, ride, seat comfort, fit and finish, handling, acceleration, turning circle Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear seat comfort, access, rear crash test Base price $31,220 As tested $38,370 w/SLT trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 5 speed automatic, 4WD. Their pick - Toyota Tundra I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Hmmm. Not taking sides but this post seems to shut down the Ford fans. ;-) |
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:17:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. How did your wife fare? If she wasn't hurt, then the car must have been fairly safe. Good decision on her part. -- John H |
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On Aug 4, 10:47 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:17:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. How did your wife fare? If she wasn't hurt, then the car must have been fairly safe. Good decision on her part. What, cause it barely survived an encounter with a 2-300 pound dirt bike?? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. Hmmm. |
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. Hmmm. I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200 pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. Hmmm. I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200 pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage. The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I just don't believe the story. |
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On Aug 5, 9:06 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. Hmmm. I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200 pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage. The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I just don't believe the story.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow, are you calling bull**** on Tom? But why would he lie, he may be nuts, but he seems credible. Anyway to base your accusation on the facts you stated above is bogus. I, and thousands of other people in this country have been broadsided on a bike and walked away with little more than roadburn. Actually, I have had crashes on the trail and street that were worse. Dirt riders are quick and nimble too, also very strong, if you can get that lee side leg up out of the way, it's like wiping out at 30+ on a trail (or a corn field in my case), totally survivable, no pads. |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 5, 9:06 am, "JimH" ask wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. Hmmm. I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200 pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage. The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I just don't believe the story.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow, are you calling bull**** on Tom? Yes. |
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"JimH" ask wrote in message
... "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are always recommended by them. Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer. One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit the bike broadside. End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the bike up off the ground, started it and drove away. So much for Consumer Reports. Hmmm. I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200 pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage. The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I just don't believe the story. I can't explain this, but I think that because a deer is (like a human) largely water, it'll damage a car differently than some other object, like a dirt bike. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities. A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy. I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly. |
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:50:48 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. You've got a good truck. Amen. -- John H |
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities. A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy. I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly. Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time and effort. You are a very neat guy. -- John H |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities. A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy. I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly. Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time and effort. You are a very neat guy. -- John H John, pay close attention: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=manly_suicide You succeed, and I'll send flowers to the nearest landfill where your funeral is held. I promise. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities. A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy. I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly. Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time and effort. You are a very neat guy. -- John H John, pay close attention: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=manly_suicide You succeed, and I'll send flowers to the nearest landfill where your funeral is held. I promise. I'll pop for a kazoo player bleeting out amazingly graceless. |
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On Aug 2, 5:33?pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:27:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Anybody with a socket wrench and five minutes could easily reverse the outcome of that dummied up test. When Ford's start regularly going 200,000+ miles without anything besides minor routine maintenance, please let me know. That is NOT their present reputation. What exactly does pickup box bounce indicate, anyway? Maybe Ford needs to do some homework. It may be an advantage for the mighty oak tree to sway in the wind, rather than standing firm and breaking. Most competent engineers know that. You must be a Tundra owner. ;-) Of course he is - it's pretty obvious. He'd rather pay $47,000 for a Tundra that will shake it'self apart than a Ford which at $34,000 won't. Heh, heh, heh... You are wrong on all counts. I don't own a Tundra. However Fords do not have a very good reputation for living a long life without major repairs. They are crap, plain and simple. Is the Toyota perfect? Far from it. It's still a hell of a lot better than any current Ford. To compare them for quality is laughable. Really laughable. Total cost of ownership from beginning to end of usable life makes the Toyota half the price of the Ford or better. You are a sucker for initial low price. PT Barnum knew all about you.. We own a Toyota Highlander and could not be happier with it. Does that mean the Tundra is of equal quality? Hmm....... I will be purchasing a pickup in the near future and have narrowed my choice to the three that were tested in the link I orignally provided. I am not a Dodge or Nissan fan. I thought the bed stability test was a good example of the finish quality between these 3 trucks and was a start for me to compare the 3. Whether or not a simple tightening of nuts with a socket wrench can fix the problem highlighted by the test is debatable at this point..........the main point is that the trucks were tested as rolled out by the factories. I know brand loyalty is important to some...........I am looking to move past that. Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Heck, reviews of the Dodge Ram and Nissan Titan pickups are also welcome. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your Highlander is the same basic vehicle as our Lexus 400H, but I'm assuming yours is not a hybrid. The Highlander/Lexus are very well made. I'd like to see Toyota use that six cylinder hybrid platform to build a light duty pickup. It probably wouldn't be suitable for towing much, but for schlepping home a couple of sheets of plywood or two dozen 50- pound bags of fertilizer it would probably work very well. I don't think the hybrid would be the best choice for launching a boat- somehow I'd be nervous with two of the four electric motors entirely submerged when backed down a boat ramp. Maybe it's OK, but then again maybe not. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities. A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy. I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly. And a Tundra or F150 would work well to tow a Parker boat 2 miles twice a year. |
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra. Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable, half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck). According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7, the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra their number 1 rated truck. Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to buy. It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a GM truck. I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy 2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at 4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road. Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities. A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy. I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly. Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time and effort. You are a very neat guy. -- John H John, pay close attention: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=manly_suicide You succeed, and I'll send flowers to the nearest landfill where your funeral is held. I promise. Gosh, did my post to Harry upset you in some way, Doug? -- John H |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: John, pay close attention: Sometimes Doug, you are a real ass. I'm just trying to show him another way to spend his day. At least he'd have a chance at closure, ya know? |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: John, pay close attention: Sometimes Doug, you are a real ass. I'm just trying.................. And you succeeded. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
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An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
On Aug 6, 9:31 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" ask wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: John, pay close attention: Sometimes Doug, you are a real ass. I'm just trying.................. And you succeeded. See? It sure beats chasing OT messages all day long.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I gotta' follow Wayne. I decided to do a profile read and see if you ever post on topic, anywhere, and you basically don't. Over in a Toyota group, I found this statement by you and it proved to me that you not only don't know ****, but you are an idiot too. Here is your quote: "In everyone's opinion. I'm not saying Iraq was Disneyland before we got there, but this free-for-all certainly did not exist. If you disagree, show me information to prove otherwise. Saddam's brand of brutality made our presence look like a kid's birthday party. " You start by telling someone with a different opinion than you, he does not!? And finish with the most ignorant, uninformed statement I have heard from you to date. Have you seen the video of men, women, and children being thrown off buildings hogtied, or the burned and disfigured gas victims or the attacks on the Kurds.. You are an idiot. Buh, bye asshole Virtual Plonk I will not address you anymore, not even if you decide to make an unschedualed boating post, as I doubt you even have a boat. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
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ups.com... Virtual Plonk I will not address you anymore, not even if you decide to make an unschedualed boating post, as I doubt you even have a boat. You've said that in the past, if I recall correctly. Will you keep your promise this time? |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
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An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
On Aug 6, 10:46 am, HK wrote:
wrote: On Aug 6, 9:31 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message . .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: John, pay close attention: Sometimes Doug, you are a real ass. I'm just trying.................. And you succeeded. See? It sure beats chasing OT messages all day long.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I gotta' follow Wayne. I decided to do a profile read and see if you ever post on topic, anywhere, and you basically don't. Hey, if you are looking for non-boating losers who post nothing of value here, add herring, "reggie," dan, and a couple of the other turds floating in the holding tank.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Awww, Harry, don't worry. You are still my favorite centerist democrat ;) He's the first person I've plonked, but I google so it is only a virtual plonk. The guy is just not right, and I first and formost am here for entertainment. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
HK wrote:
wrote: On Aug 6, 9:31 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: John, pay close attention: Sometimes Doug, you are a real ass. I'm just trying.................. And you succeeded. See? It sure beats chasing OT messages all day long.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I gotta' follow Wayne. I decided to do a profile read and see if you ever post on topic, anywhere, and you basically don't. Hey, if you are looking for non-boating losers who post nothing of value here, add herring, "reggie," dan, and a couple of the other turds floating in the holding tank. Harry, I normally spend more time boating in one season, then you do in 4 years of your Parker. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
wrote in message ... On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:57:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:01:30 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: Chevy Silverado v. Toyota Tundra v. Ford F-150 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zShwG...33643p1%2Ehtml http://tinyurl.com/24exwz FORD RULES!!! WHOO HOO!!! Anybody with a socket wrench and five minutes could easily reverse the outcome of that dummied up test. When Ford's start regularly going 200,000+ miles without anything besides minor routine maintenance, please let me know. That is NOT their present reputation. What exactly does pickup box bounce indicate, anyway? Maybe Ford needs to do some homework. It may be an advantage for the mighty oak tree to sway in the wind, rather than standing firm and breaking. Most competent engineers know that. I don't think so. That Tundra was looking like it was going to come apart... I know which one I want when I am hauling my 1500lb of boat on a Canadian road... F150. Seen to many dead Dodges, I guess they didn't test them. I did with the doors... so I went Ford. This makes a big difference when you hit some washboard road.... |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
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An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
HK wrote:
wrote: On Aug 6, 9:31 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:22:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: John, pay close attention: Sometimes Doug, you are a real ass. I'm just trying.................. And you succeeded. See? It sure beats chasing OT messages all day long.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I gotta' follow Wayne. I decided to do a profile read and see if you ever post on topic, anywhere, and you basically don't. Hey, if you are looking for non-boating losers who post nothing of value here, add herring, "reggie," dan, and a couple of the other turds floating in the holding tank. Ready for a bet, Krause? I know you read everything I post. You can't help it. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
"John H." wrote in message
... On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:45:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Virtual Plonk I will not address you anymore, not even if you decide to make an unschedualed boating post, as I doubt you even have a boat. You've said that in the past, if I recall correctly. Will you keep your promise this time? Isn't it nice to receive the approval of Krause? That must be a thrill, because he's usually calling me names. -- John H Your friend Harry is of no consequence or importance when I'm working on you. However, you are free to continue your fantasies about him. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:45:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Virtual Plonk I will not address you anymore, not even if you decide to make an unschedualed boating post, as I doubt you even have a boat. You've said that in the past, if I recall correctly. Will you keep your promise this time? Isn't it nice to receive the approval of Krause? That must be a thrill, because he's usually calling me names. -- John H |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
On Aug 6, 1:38 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
An on topic post!! - Show quoted text - Well, sort of on topic for me. My 01 Blazer with 60K just left me walking again. Somehow the ignition stuck in the start positition. I could not put it in neutral, or park, as the starter would turn and grind. Had to leave it in gear, put on brakes, pop hood, and had a guy stand to the side, with the pos against a wall just in case, and disconnect the battery. New ignition switch just this spring, I am ****ed for sure, I was going fishing tonight.. Now I gotta screw with this pos again, I hate the frekin' thing. Give me my rusty old Jeep, anyday. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 6, 1:38 pm, "Canuck57" wrote: An on topic post!! - Show quoted text - Well, sort of on topic for me. My 01 Blazer with 60K just left me walking again. Somehow the ignition stuck in the start positition. I could not put it in neutral, or park, as the starter would turn and grind. Had to leave it in gear, put on brakes, pop hood, and had a guy stand to the side, with the pos against a wall just in case, and disconnect the battery. New ignition switch just this spring, I am ****ed for sure, I was going fishing tonight.. Now I gotta screw with this pos again, I hate the frekin' thing. Give me my rusty old Jeep, anyday. Talking about tow vehicles is indeed *on topic*. |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:12:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:45:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Virtual Plonk I will not address you anymore, not even if you decide to make an unschedualed boating post, as I doubt you even have a boat. You've said that in the past, if I recall correctly. Will you keep your promise this time? Isn't it nice to receive the approval of Krause? That must be a thrill, because he's usually calling me names. -- John H Your friend Harry is of no consequence or importance when I'm working on you. However, you are free to continue your fantasies about him. And here I assumed your posts were simply to gain his approval. For what else could they be worth? How's the crop doing this year? -- John H |
An interesting video on pickup truck box bounce
On Aug 2, 6:01 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
Chevy Silverado v. Toyota Tundra v. Ford F-150 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zShwG...%2F%2Fwww%2Emo... http://tinyurl.com/24exwz Hey, does anyone have a Chilton or Mitchell for a 2001 Chevy Blazer. I could really use a picture of the steering colum assembly. I think there is a part broken in there (a sort of rack) and I need to know how to get to it without getting my head blown off by the airbag! And before anyone yells at me, I will not start without a map, and I have the right tools as I am a retired GM tech. Just never worked around an airbag, makin' me a little nervous. But if you got a manual, a scanner, and a little spare time, please emil me at justwaitafrekinminute at gmai...........com |
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