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Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:28:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I went in and the cheapest I saw was Canadian Ace. When we got to the boat we started putting the beer and ice in the cooler. "What the hell!! Canadian Ace?!?!?" he says. "You told me to get cheap beer," says I. He just looked at me and shook his head. --Vic "Canadian Ace"? I imagine Billy Mitchell is rolling in his grave...... |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Schaefer...the one beer to have when you want to belch up beer breath. I drank Piels for a while when I drank beer because I liked Bert and Harry Piel, aka Bob Elliot and Ray Goulding. Best commercials ever. Among the worst beers ever. One summer while in college my father got me a job on the loading dock at Hulls' Export Beer in New Haven. I loaded kegs and cases of bottles onto trucks all day long. Work rules required a cold keg on the dock at all times to "refresh" the grunts who did the loading. I'm afraid those days are long, long gone. http://tinyurl.com/395jnv Those were the days. I earned enough in the summer to just about cover the next year's tuition, books and room and board, thanks to the American union movement! Anybody nostalgic for an old brewery can always take the tour of what they claim is the oldest working brewery in North America. I grew up one city block from this place. http://www.keiths.ca/k_brewery/k_brewery_index.htm# |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:48:53 -0400, HK wrote:
Here's a really old Piels beer commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26HtmV0DmRU It's good. For some reason it reminds me of Maypo instead of beer. They got more sophisticated (!) as the years passed, but still kept to the format. I had two good summer jobs thanks to the Teamsters, and another good one thanks to the Steamfitters and Boilermakers Unions. I knew a little bit about welding before that summer, but by the time the summer was over, I was working right alongside journeymen, refurbishing steam boilers at the now defunct Bigelow Boiler factory. Now that was a manly man's job! The place was ancient; it had built steam locomotives earlier in its history. WARNING: Long Winded, No Boats I was running heavy brake press and shear crews at the IH bulldozer plants in Chicago (the old McCormack works) and Melrose Park. Got to arguing over safety and piecework issues with my foreman and the division foreman. Shears repeating, screwed on averages, etc. A couple years back I had seen one guy I was friendly with get his fingers cut off by a small press that repeated. He came walking up to me in shock holding his good hand over the finger stumps, mouthing "Vic, Vic." We got him laid down and hauled off and as we were looking for the glove with his fingers the f**cking machine's ram was still pumping up and down. I was looking before I saw the kid because I've got ears for that, and a repeating shear is way out of place. They couldn't reattach his fingers. I was running 8-torch Linde gas cutters then. Flash forward a couple years and I'm working in a different department on the heavy bangers. One day I'm cutting 1" thick steel pieces and the clamps and shear come down with no pedal action by me. Steel slaps but luckily neither me or my helper get our hands mangled. I shut it down and told the foreman to get maintenance to fix the repeat. This is about the 3rd time it's happened in a week. He wants me to keep working it until maintenance comes. "What, and lose my fingers like Raphael?" He says, "He was using his head on the switch." Meaning pushing pieces faster by not using both hands on the widely spaced switches. I let him know the best I could express it that I was actually there and was he full of sh*t. This SOB had already negligently let an uncoordinated kid get his arm mangled to uselessness in a Webb roller. I had warned him the kid couldn't even operate a worksaver safely. Anyway, it was all downhill and after I stood toe-to-toe with the general foreman cussing each other out and spraying each other with spittle I knew I had to get out. That one ended with the ahole general accusing me of threatening him - a firing offense. A small crowd had gathered and I heard from it steward Gainsworth's soft but penetrating voice tell the general "He didn't threaten you. I heard everything said here." Anyway, I knew I'd get fired by these jokers if I had a flat and was a minute late, so I decided to get out. I had a kid coming and needed to keep my insurance. I got a contract book from Gainsworth and saw that a vet would be granted leave of absence to attend college, but there was language about "at the foreman's discretion." After my shift I went to the front office to ask personnel how they interpreted that. The personnel guy said "You want to go to school, you go to school. Don't matter what the foreman wants." So within a week I was enrolled and had the paperwork done with the front office. Had to pay a bit over $400 month for the insurance but hey, the GI bill money almost covered that. I had a job to come back to if I needed it, and insurance for my family. Anyway, I was a good boy for the foreman for the week or so left. Just goaded and insulted him whenever I got the opportunity. I figured he knew I was leaving. After all, me and my helper produced more bends and cuts than the other 2 shifts combined. He must know who he was going to steal from and endanger next, right?. My next to last night my helper still hadn't heard who he'd be working with. I saw the foreman walking by and yelled at him, "Hey Tony! Who's Hines gonna be working with on Monday?" He says, "What are you talking about?" They hadn't even told him I was leaving! So I explained, "Tony, I'm going to college on a leave of absence. Tomorrow's my last day." He says "Bull****," storms away to his office and gets on the phone. I could see it all through the big window. He's on the phone about a minute, his arm goes all the way up and he SLAMS it down on the receiver. Sweet, sweet, sweet. Never said another word to that c*cks*cker. I came back 6 months later to a different department, but it was tough working full time and school full time, so I quit IH after doing 6 more months. Got a 4 hours a day PT job fueling, jockeying and washing tractors and trailers at UPS, so I was a Teamster for almost 4 years. Made almost as much pushing a brush there for 20 hours than I made lifting 90 tons of steel at IH in 40 hours. The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. Guys like them are the reason there's unions. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. Of course then I became a "professional" and soon made 5 times as much. The downside to that was listening to overpaid lazy geeks with ties whining about unions. Like being around ballerinas all day, for Christ's sake. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:48:53 -0400, HK wrote: Here's a really old Piels beer commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26HtmV0DmRU It's good. For some reason it reminds me of Maypo instead of beer. They got more sophisticated (!) as the years passed, but still kept to the format. I had two good summer jobs thanks to the Teamsters, and another good one thanks to the Steamfitters and Boilermakers Unions. I knew a little bit about welding before that summer, but by the time the summer was over, I was working right alongside journeymen, refurbishing steam boilers at the now defunct Bigelow Boiler factory. Now that was a manly man's job! The place was ancient; it had built steam locomotives earlier in its history. WARNING: Long Winded, No Boats I was running heavy brake press and shear crews at the IH bulldozer plants in Chicago (the old McCormack works) and Melrose Park. Got to arguing over safety and piecework issues with my foreman and the division foreman. Shears repeating, screwed on averages, etc. A couple years back I had seen one guy I was friendly with get his fingers cut off by a small press that repeated. He came walking up to me in shock holding his good hand over the finger stumps, mouthing "Vic, Vic." We got him laid down and hauled off and as we were looking for the glove with his fingers the f**cking machine's ram was still pumping up and down. I was looking before I saw the kid because I've got ears for that, and a repeating shear is way out of place. They couldn't reattach his fingers. I was running 8-torch Linde gas cutters then. Flash forward a couple years and I'm working in a different department on the heavy bangers. One day I'm cutting 1" thick steel pieces and the clamps and shear come down with no pedal action by me. Steel slaps but luckily neither me or my helper get our hands mangled. I shut it down and told the foreman to get maintenance to fix the repeat. This is about the 3rd time it's happened in a week. He wants me to keep working it until maintenance comes. "What, and lose my fingers like Raphael?" He says, "He was using his head on the switch." Meaning pushing pieces faster by not using both hands on the widely spaced switches. I let him know the best I could express it that I was actually there and was he full of sh*t. This SOB had already negligently let an uncoordinated kid get his arm mangled to uselessness in a Webb roller. I had warned him the kid couldn't even operate a worksaver safely. Anyway, it was all downhill and after I stood toe-to-toe with the general foreman cussing each other out and spraying each other with spittle I knew I had to get out. That one ended with the ahole general accusing me of threatening him - a firing offense. A small crowd had gathered and I heard from it steward Gainsworth's soft but penetrating voice tell the general "He didn't threaten you. I heard everything said here." Anyway, I knew I'd get fired by these jokers if I had a flat and was a minute late, so I decided to get out. I had a kid coming and needed to keep my insurance. I got a contract book from Gainsworth and saw that a vet would be granted leave of absence to attend college, but there was language about "at the foreman's discretion." After my shift I went to the front office to ask personnel how they interpreted that. The personnel guy said "You want to go to school, you go to school. Don't matter what the foreman wants." So within a week I was enrolled and had the paperwork done with the front office. Had to pay a bit over $400 month for the insurance but hey, the GI bill money almost covered that. I had a job to come back to if I needed it, and insurance for my family. Anyway, I was a good boy for the foreman for the week or so left. Just goaded and insulted him whenever I got the opportunity. I figured he knew I was leaving. After all, me and my helper produced more bends and cuts than the other 2 shifts combined. He must know who he was going to steal from and endanger next, right?. My next to last night my helper still hadn't heard who he'd be working with. I saw the foreman walking by and yelled at him, "Hey Tony! Who's Hines gonna be working with on Monday?" He says, "What are you talking about?" They hadn't even told him I was leaving! So I explained, "Tony, I'm going to college on a leave of absence. Tomorrow's my last day." He says "Bull****," storms away to his office and gets on the phone. I could see it all through the big window. He's on the phone about a minute, his arm goes all the way up and he SLAMS it down on the receiver. Sweet, sweet, sweet. Never said another word to that c*cks*cker. I came back 6 months later to a different department, but it was tough working full time and school full time, so I quit IH after doing 6 more months. Got a 4 hours a day PT job fueling, jockeying and washing tractors and trailers at UPS, so I was a Teamster for almost 4 years. Made almost as much pushing a brush there for 20 hours than I made lifting 90 tons of steel at IH in 40 hours. The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. Guys like them are the reason there's unions. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. Of course then I became a "professional" and soon made 5 times as much. The downside to that was listening to overpaid lazy geeks with ties whining about unions. Like being around ballerinas all day, for Christ's sake. --Vic Great read...thanks! |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. |
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JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. |
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JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. If *any* of that is true, at least you correctly posted it in past tense. Dan |
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"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. Agreed as you posted in past tense. In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-) |
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"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. Agreed as you posted in past tense. In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-) That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. Agreed as you posted in past tense. In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-) That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China. Greed............by corporate executives and unions caused our present problem with jobs moving to China, Mexico and Canada. However, we are competing in a global economy and continue to shift from brawn to brain. The state of our economy........the Dow passed 14,000 today, but fell back later in the day. Imagine going from the crash of post 9-11 to some 7,000 to almost doubling it in a short 5 some years. In case you forgot............it was all done with tax cuts under the direction of GWB. Interestingly unemployment levels are at record lows and earning levels are at al time highs. Eh? |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. Agreed as you posted in past tense. In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-) That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China. Greed............by corporate executives and unions caused our present problem with jobs moving to China, Mexico and Canada. However, we are competing in a global economy and continue to shift from brawn to brain. The state of our economy........the Dow passed 14,000 today, but fell back later in the day. Imagine going from the crash of post 9-11 to some 7,000 to almost doubling it in a short 5 some years. In case you forgot............it was all done with tax cuts under the direction of GWB. Interestingly unemployment levels are at record lows and earning levels are at al time highs. Eh? Thank you, Gordon Gecko. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and grandchildren. Agreed as you posted in past tense. In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-) That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China. Greed............by corporate executives and unions caused our present problem with jobs moving to China, Mexico and Canada. However, we are competing in a global economy and continue to shift from brawn to brain. The state of our economy........the Dow passed 14,000 today, but fell back later in the day. Imagine going from the crash of post 9-11 to some 7,000 to almost doubling it in a short 5 some years. In case you forgot............it was all done with tax cuts under the direction of GWB. Interestingly unemployment levels are at record lows and earning levels are at al time highs. Eh? Thank you NP. :-) |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:
That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China. Yeah, the same guys who whined the most about unions - IT, Engineers and middle management- are being replaced by foreigners. When I took an early retirement offer last year I was running a crew of Indian H1-B's. Good guys, and sharp, but not American. More than half the floor was Indians. If one of my kids or yours were to come home from Iraq and apply for IT work at this Fortune 100 company, their resumes would be tossed in the circular file. They were only hiring Indians. Smaller salaries, no bennies. I think what made me take the offer was seeing the American flag flying proudly over the front lobby. The place just disgusted me on that score alone. And I used to the really feel at home there. BTW, though not State Farm, you can guess. Check out major insurance company exec compensation packages to see who's pocket that $206 premium increase went into. And officers are only the tip of the iceberg. You know, Hillary and Bill are just as good as Bush when it comes to kissing corporate ass and weakening America. Unions saw their greatest decline and Wall Street whores rose to prominence under Clinton. --Vic |
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On Jul 17, 8:54 am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:45:45 -0400, HK wrote: Around here, liquor stores compete to see who can sell crappy beer at the lowest price. Miller Lite seems to be the "leader." I have a buddy whose favorite is Miller Lite and he offers me a can from time to time. I tried it once, and thought it the most awful concoction that ever bore the name "beer." But it is a big seller. I never could figure out why anybody would drink "lite" beer. But as you say, they do. Sometimes it's a problem for me on a picnic where whoever brings the beer gets nearly all "lite." I might have one of the few non-lites then switch to soda. Better anyway, since daytime beer drinking in the sun ends up giving me a headache if I drink more than one or two. --Vic Dammitt, Dammitt, Dammitt... Long story short, Mrs JW and the little frekin' second have been busy all summer and today was to be our first day toghether on the lake. Took off for Mashapaug, about 23 miles away, Got less than a half mile from the exit, and heard the tell tale singing of a tire going, going, gone on the trailer. Took all the toys out, battery, tubes, other equipment and took the family home. Grabbed a couple of the sandwiches, some gatoraide, a guitar, and went back to the boat to get the engines (padlocked, outboards) and wait for triple A. The guy had a nice new rig with a smooth plate body, my old one was this funky grooved aluminum. Anyway, he followed me home, got a nice tip, and I will fix the tire and try again tomorrow. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:30:57 -0400, HK wrote: That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China. Yeah, the same guys who whined the most about unions - IT, Engineers and middle management- are being replaced by foreigners. When I took an early retirement offer last year I was running a crew of Indian H1-B's. Good guys, and sharp, but not American. More than half the floor was Indians. If one of my kids or yours were to come home from Iraq and apply for IT work at this Fortune 100 company, their resumes would be tossed in the circular file. They were only hiring Indians. Smaller salaries, no bennies. I think what made me take the offer was seeing the American flag flying proudly over the front lobby. The place just disgusted me on that score alone. And I used to the really feel at home there. BTW, though not State Farm, you can guess. Check out major insurance company exec compensation packages to see who's pocket that $206 premium increase went into. And officers are only the tip of the iceberg. You know, Hillary and Bill are just as good as Bush when it comes to kissing corporate ass and weakening America. Unions saw their greatest decline and Wall Street whores rose to prominence under Clinton. --Vic All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. It has gotten much worse for workers under bush, and the Dems will be more receptive to non-corporate pressure. The "array" of candidates being offered to repubs is so bad, you almost have to feel sorry for the eventual GOP nominee. Once Guiliani's true nature is revealed, that he is a short-tempered Napolean, he'll cook his own goose. And Romney? The flip-flopper of all time. Some of the Repubs are looking to Fred Thompson to save them. I hope he is the nominee, because he will be easier to beat than Guiliani. In 2008, the voters will demand a POTUS and congress who will end Bush's abortion in Iraq. The Repubs to a man will not break with Bush on that issue. They're all going to be dead meat in the eyes of the voters. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated. Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred. Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat. |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:12:52 -0400, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. The same 'minimal' increase. Nothing stops a corp from rewarding exceptional workers. That's right. The union rate in most contracts is the minimal rate. There is nothing to prevent an employer from rewarding exceptional workers more expansively. Unfortunately, the basic union rate is already excessive in most cases. The cost of employment of American union workers has initiated the move to outsourcing. It certainly is sinking Chrysler and the rest of the American auto industry, huh? My ex-wife tells the opposite stories concerning unions. One of union corruption and greed. Of her, and her fellow UAW workers, of being able to purposefully shut down GM production lines, with malice, and then being protected by their union goobs and keeping their jobs. Just for fun. Unions have reaped what they have sown. It used to take hard work, a college education, and a serious work ethic to have a Cadillac and a big screen TV. Now every High School dropout that gets a union job thinks they are entitled. That's why the move to Indian and China. That's why the unions are getting their butts kicked. They need to wise up. They are ruining my country. |
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the next year's tuition, books and room and board, thanks to the American union movement! Hail to the unions! I'm glad that they were able to keep tuition costs down for you! :- --Mike "HK" wrote in message ... Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:13:02 -0000, Tim wrote: Well If that's not cheap enough, I suppose one could try some basskisser-brew Don't know about that, and I didn't think that Canadian Ace was that bad either. For years and years I drank Old Style at bars all over Chicago. That was the common Chicago tap beer, and I enjoyed it. I always ordered the bottle. Then I was living in Queens a while and was drinking Schaefer and Miller. When I went back to Chicago I stuck with Miller. One day a brain short-circuit caused me to order a bottle of Old Style like an old habit. It stunk, and I wondered how I drank it for all those years. Anyway, I'm a snob now, and drink mostly Zywiec and Hacker-Pschorr Weisse. But I do some slumming too. --Vic Schaefer...the one beer to have when you want to belch up beer breath. I drank Piels for a while when I drank beer because I liked Bert and Harry Piel, aka Bob Elliot and Ray Goulding. Best commercials ever. Among the worst beers ever. One summer while in college my father got me a job on the loading dock at Hulls' Export Beer in New Haven. I loaded kegs and cases of bottles onto trucks all day long. Work rules required a cold keg on the dock at all times to "refresh" the grunts who did the loading. I'm afraid those days are long, long gone. http://tinyurl.com/395jnv Those were the days. I earned enough in the summer to just about cover the next year's tuition, books and room and board, thanks to the American union movement! |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:12:52 -0400, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. The same 'minimal' increase. Nothing stops a corp from rewarding exceptional workers. That's right. The union rate in most contracts is the minimal rate. There is nothing to prevent an employer from rewarding exceptional workers more expansively. Unfortunately, the basic union rate is already excessive in most cases. The cost of employment of American union workers has initiated the move to outsourcing. It certainly is sinking Chrysler and the rest of the American auto industry, huh? Sorry, Jackoff, but bad management and pursuit of short-term profit is what sunk American manufacturing, that and the cost of providing health care insurance to workers, which U.S. car manufacturers pay for but Japanese car manufacturers do not. |
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On Jul 17, 8:54 am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:45:45 -0400, HK wrote: Around here, liquor stores compete to see who can sell crappy beer at the lowest price. Miller Lite seems to be the "leader." I have a buddy whose favorite is Miller Lite and he offers me a can from time to time. I tried it once, and thought it the most awful concoction that ever bore the name "beer." But it is a big seller. I never could figure out why anybody would drink "lite" beer. But as you say, they do. Sometimes it's a problem for me on a picnic where whoever brings the beer gets nearly all "lite." I might have one of the few non-lites then switch to soda. Better anyway, since daytime beer drinking in the sun ends up giving me a headache if I drink more than one or two. --Vic Make your own beer, It's chaeper than schlitz and you get what you want. Five gallons of premium brew costs me about 25 bucks to make. |
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On Jul 15, 11:40 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
..........north winds again and the Lake is capping. Maybe it will settle down later as the wind is supposed to shift by mid afternoon Dammit, Dammit, Dammitttttt! So my family has been busy with a new member of the family all summer. Finally got them all in the truck to head for the lake. Quick 23 mile trip to Mashapaug, Coming up the last long hill, right before the exit I hear the unmistakable harmony of a tire about to go. Come off the exit with a shattered tire. Grab everything we can off the boat, load into the blazer and take the family home and regroup. Grabbed the cooler, some sandwiches, and a guitar and went to wait out AAA. Now of course we are showing rain for the next few days, this sucks. I think I might buy 2 tires and hubs as a 50 dollar spare would have saved the day. Could have been worse, a few years back I spun an axle in South Carolina, another time, a water pump in Virginia. I don't have good luck with cars either. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated. Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred. Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should. Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat. You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the Republican primary. You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who are glad he has "finally seen the light". Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise. I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston Globe against him. |
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NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated. Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred. Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should. Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat. You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the Republican primary. You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who are glad he has "finally seen the light". Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise. I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston Globe against him. No one is scared of Romney. Really. He'll probably win the NH primary because he has name recognition there, and then that will be the end of him. His "nuanced" flip-flop on abortion is a tad too sophisticated for the majority of simpleton southern Republican jesus freaks, most of whom also relegate Mormonism to the same category as witchcraft. I lived among the "stuporcons" of the south for more than five years, and was always amazed at their religious simplemindedness. These are the same folk who believe Roman Catholics aren't christian, and Jews are the spawn of the devil who killed Jesus. Personally, I'd love to run a campaign against Romney, the guy who represents the same corporate interests who have sold this country down the drain. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated. Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred. Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should. Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat. You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the Republican primary. You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who are glad he has "finally seen the light". Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise. I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston Globe against him. No one is scared of Romney. Really. He'll probably win the NH primary because he has name recognition there, and then that will be the end of him. His "nuanced" flip-flop on abortion is a tad too sophisticated for the majority of simpleton southern Republican jesus freaks, most of whom also relegate Mormonism to the same category as witchcraft. I lived among the "stuporcons" of the south for more than five years, and was always amazed at their religious simplemindedness. These are the same folk who believe Roman Catholics aren't christian, and Jews are the spawn of the devil who killed Jesus. Personally, I'd love to run a campaign against Romney, the guy who represents the same corporate interests who have sold this country down the drain. Romney represents corporate interests? Why, because he's a businessman with an MBA from Harvard? I'd rather have a guy who made his money in business than one that made it manipulating the law through our "injustice" system. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated. Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred. Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should. Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat. You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the Republican primary. You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who are glad he has "finally seen the light". Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise. I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston Globe against him. No one is scared of Romney. Really. He'll probably win the NH primary because he has name recognition there, and then that will be the end of him. His "nuanced" flip-flop on abortion is a tad too sophisticated for the majority of simpleton southern Republican jesus freaks, most of whom also relegate Mormonism to the same category as witchcraft. I lived among the "stuporcons" of the south for more than five years, and was always amazed at their religious simplemindedness. These are the same folk who believe Roman Catholics aren't christian, and Jews are the spawn of the devil who killed Jesus. Personally, I'd love to run a campaign against Romney, the guy who represents the same corporate interests who have sold this country down the drain. Romney represents corporate interests? Why, because he's a businessman with an MBA from Harvard? I'd rather have a guy who made his money in business than one that made it manipulating the law through our "injustice" system. The current president has an MBA from Harvard, thus proving the utter worthlessness of the degree. |
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On Jul 17, 8:54 am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:45:45 -0400, HK wrote: Around here, liquor stores compete to see who can sell crappy beer at the lowest price. Miller Lite seems to be the "leader." I have a buddy whose favorite is Miller Lite and he offers me a can from time to time. I tried it once, and thought it the most awful concoction that ever bore the name "beer." But it is a big seller. I never could figure out why anybody would drink "lite" beer. But as you say, they do. Sometimes it's a problem for me on a picnic where whoever brings the beer gets nearly all "lite." I might have one of the few non-lites then switch to soda. Better anyway, since daytime beer drinking in the sun ends up giving me a headache if I drink more than one or two. --Vic Tried twice in the last 24 hours to post to this thread, anyone seeing this post?? It is not showing up in my profile either, however, the posting process poceeds with no problems as if it is working. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather than later. The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats than republicans. Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get. My personal pick is Mitt Romney. Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated. Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred. Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should. Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat. You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the Republican primary. You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who are glad he has "finally seen the light". Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise. I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston Globe against him. No one is scared of Romney. Really. He'll probably win the NH primary because he has name recognition there, and then that will be the end of him. His "nuanced" flip-flop on abortion is a tad too sophisticated for the majority of simpleton southern Republican jesus freaks, most of whom also relegate Mormonism to the same category as witchcraft. I lived among the "stuporcons" of the south for more than five years, and was always amazed at their religious simplemindedness. These are the same folk who believe Roman Catholics aren't christian, and Jews are the spawn of the devil who killed Jesus. Personally, I'd love to run a campaign against Romney, the guy who represents the same corporate interests who have sold this country down the drain. Romney represents corporate interests? Why, because he's a businessman with an MBA from Harvard? I'd rather have a guy who made his money in business than one that made it manipulating the law through our "injustice" system. The current president has an MBA from Harvard, thus proving the utter worthlessness of the degree. Bush's economy has given us a record stock market, record unemployment numbers, a shrinking deficit, and unprecedented sustained growth for the past 4 1/2 years. I'd say his MBA is serving him just fine. |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 17, 8:54 am, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:45:45 -0400, HK wrote: Tried twice in the last 24 hours to post to this thread, anyone seeing this post?? It is not showing up in my profile either, however, the posting process poceeds with no problems as if it is working. I don't see it.......honestly I don't. ;-) |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Romney represents corporate interests? Why, because he's a businessman with an MBA from Harvard? I'd rather have a guy who made his money in business than one that made it manipulating the law through our "injustice" system. The current president has an MBA from Harvard, thus proving the utter worthlessness of the degree. Bush's economy has given us a record stock market, record unemployment numbers, a shrinking deficit, and unprecedented sustained growth for the past 4 1/2 years. I'd say his MBA is serving him just fine. Don't forget lower taxes........the reason all those great things are happening. ;-) |
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On Jul 17, 1:12 pm, HK wrote:
"....Those were the days. I earned enough in the summer to just about cover the next year's tuition, books and room and board, thanks to the American union movement!-...." Even with a unions help, those are deffinately days gone by..... |
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:00:40 -0400, HK wrote:
Jack Goff wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:12:52 -0400, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... snip... The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed for a buck. snip --Vic Bingo! If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly pay those union dues year after year. (not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value) Stop living in the 1920s Don. Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay increase, despite their abilities and contributions. The same 'minimal' increase. Nothing stops a corp from rewarding exceptional workers. That's right. The union rate in most contracts is the minimal rate. There is nothing to prevent an employer from rewarding exceptional workers more expansively. Unfortunately, the basic union rate is already excessive in most cases. The cost of employment of American union workers has initiated the move to outsourcing. It certainly is sinking Chrysler and the rest of the American auto industry, huh? Sorry, Jackoff, but bad management and pursuit of short-term profit is what sunk American manufacturing, that and the cost of providing health care insurance to workers, which U.S. car manufacturers pay for but Japanese car manufacturers do not. Those are factors, but you're ignoring the excessive pay rates and benefits, along with poor worker productivity, which accompanies UAW employment. That's not the employer's fault. |
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