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What time of year to purchase a boat
All,
I'm looking to purchase a SeaRay 280. My question is the boat show in annapolis maryland is coming in October. Is it best to buy a boat then or wait till say December and buy off season? Or can I just get a good deal now? Any thoughts/comments appreciated. Thanks Alan |
What time of year to purchase a boat
It may vary slightly depending on your climate, which relates to the
dealer's perception of how much "buying season" is left. But, here in upstate NY, two dealers I've visited are already saying "We could probably do better on some of these, considering that it's August". They don't want to pay interest on their money through the whole winter. Start haggling now. "Alan" wrote in message m... All, I'm looking to purchase a SeaRay 280. My question is the boat show in annapolis maryland is coming in October. Is it best to buy a boat then or wait till say December and buy off season? Or can I just get a good deal now? Any thoughts/comments appreciated. Thanks Alan |
What time of year to purchase a boat
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What time of year to purchase a boat
Hehe, that's a good story. The surgeon always recommends surgery.
That reminds me of a funny story my cousin told me. He had just started work at a Marina that also sold boats when he heard the owner talking to a potential buyer about one of the boats. The owner said, "This is the best time of year to buy a boat". After the customer left my cousin asked the owner why it was "the best time of year" to buy a boat. The answer he got was, "It's ALWAYS the best time of year to buy a boat." Sean |
What time of year to purchase a boat
Drive down to Florida in the spring when the owners are staring at
that damned shallow ICW map all the way to Yankeeland in the face. Why take the 50% wallet hit on a new piece of crap made out of putty from SeaBayliner? There's some fantastic used boats sitting at the dock in Florida just waiting for you to haul 'em home. Man you can buy a helluva used boat for what SeaBayliner-Brunswick wants for that 28 footer!..... Take a look INSIDE the hull at what you're buying! http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm On 25 Aug 2003 18:23:29 -0700, (Alan) wrote: All, I'm looking to purchase a SeaRay 280. My question is the boat show in annapolis maryland is coming in October. Is it best to buy a boat then or wait till say December and buy off season? Or can I just get a good deal now? Any thoughts/comments appreciated. Thanks Alan Larry W4CSC Maybe we could get the power grid fixed if every politician regulating the power companies wasn't on their payrolls. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
Take a look INSIDE the hull at what you're buying!
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm You think he's buying a boat with a failed repair? Funny, you don't direct him to Pasco's site where he praises the Sea Ray build quality. Why is that, exactly? |
What time of year to purchase a boat
I asked:
Funny, you don't direct him to Pasco's site where he praises the Sea Ray build quality. Why is that, exactly? Larry replied: A picture is worth a thousand boat magazine ads...... No, no, no. I'm not suggesting that you should direct people to boating magazine ads. Allow me to restate: Every time Sea Ray is mentioned in the NG, you trot out that link to one of David Pasco's sites. It shows serious delamination on an old Sea Ray, with a bunch of mismatched mystery goop behind the glass that is visually apparent to differ from the original build material. As in this case, you say, "See what you're buying! Look how Sea Ray is made!" You rely on David Pasco as an authority to support your opinion. So, my question is, why do you never direct people to the portion of the same Pasco site where he discusses Sea Ray in depth (might even be the same model the last guy asked about), and where he concludes that Sea Ray, although it has a few faults, remains one of the best built boats you can buy? Is it fair to use somebody as an authority to support your opinion if you're going to take one small item and blow it out of context and proportion while ignoring that same person's extensive discussion of the actual boat in question? Are you saying that Pasco's comments specific to Sea Ray are a "boating magazine ad"? And one final question, tongue in cheek. You say: A picture is worth a thousand boat magazine ads...... Hmmm. What if the boating magazine ad includes a picture? :-) |
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What time of year to purchase a boat
No, not at all, oh spinning person......I rely on the PICTURES of pure
**** to drive home the point. They're not as stupid as you think. They CAN think for themselves. Sea Ray hasn't sued Pascoe to get falst statements and pictures off the net, have they? I don't give a damn if Pascoe never typed a thing on this website.....Just LOOK AT THE PICTURES is more than enough exposure to the average Joe to tell he doesn't want to expose his family to this kind or crap, from ANY boat company.... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? Looking at the pictures, oh angry and cursing person, is most beneficial when one has the expertise to evaluate what is seen. Just like Fox News, we should strive to be fair and balanced. Here's a comment from David Pasco regarding Sea Ray's general quality. What do you suppose he means when he uses the phrases "hard to beat" and "excellent (used boat) value"? Quote: Summing up: On the outside, the overall quality is pretty good. Not much chintzy hardware, and the basic structures are holding up well. With care, it still looks good. The rub rails aren't all loose, dented and falling off, and stress cracking is minimal. As a used boat, it offers excellent value. As a new boat, they're still hard to beat quality wise, but the quality margin over the competition can be a pretty thin line at times. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
Paul,
Gould is a very knowledgeable boater and when he discusses boating he is very rarely wrong. However, I would not use any of the information you receive in this NG or any NG as the gospel without double checking with a reliable book or expert. Too often incorrect or unsafe information is given by well meaning individuals. This newsgroup is a great place to chit chat, don't use it as a reliable source of factual information. For ever good answer (such as most of the ones provided by Gould) you will find tons of bad answers. "Paul" wrote in message e.rogers.com... If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... No, not at all, oh spinning person......I rely on the PICTURES of pure **** to drive home the point. They're not as stupid as you think. They CAN think for themselves. Sea Ray hasn't sued Pascoe to get falst statements and pictures off the net, have they? I don't give a damn if Pascoe never typed a thing on this website.....Just LOOK AT THE PICTURES is more than enough exposure to the average Joe to tell he doesn't want to expose his family to this kind or crap, from ANY boat company.... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? Looking at the pictures, oh angry and cursing person, is most beneficial when one has the expertise to evaluate what is seen. Just like Fox News, we should strive to be fair and balanced. Here's a comment from David Pasco regarding Sea Ray's general quality. What do you suppose he means when he uses the phrases "hard to beat" and "excellent (used boat) value"? Quote: Summing up: On the outside, the overall quality is pretty good. Not much chintzy hardware, and the basic structures are holding up well. With care, it still looks good. The rub rails aren't all loose, dented and falling off, and stress cracking is minimal. As a used boat, it offers excellent value. As a new boat, they're still hard to beat quality wise, but the quality margin over the competition can be a pretty thin line at times. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
You're right, I was out of line.
I was frustrated from something else entirely (car accident) but it spilled over when I saw that link for the 8 millionth time and heard the same old Sea Ray bashing. My apologies. To be fair, we can't be sure that Larry knew that quote existed. It's from DP's article about the Sea Ray 250, a vessel nearly 10-feet longer than Larry's boat, and possibly therefore not the type of boat that he's interested in learning about. Also, DP's site is very extensive, with something over 100 "opinion pieces" (most extremely unflattering and somewhat negative in tone) and few people have read the entire site from end to end. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
Good advice Bill.
I use the NG more for direction finding. Such as the idea of switching my tachs to determine if the low reading is an accurate reading (actually low) or tach related. When it comes to "actual" stuff I rely on the mechanics and other pros at the marina. They might be wrong too but they're insured. "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:IWo3b.220415$Oz4.58914@rwcrnsc54... Paul, Gould is a very knowledgeable boater and when he discusses boating he is very rarely wrong. However, I would not use any of the information you receive in this NG or any NG as the gospel without double checking with a reliable book or expert. Too often incorrect or unsafe information is given by well meaning individuals. This newsgroup is a great place to chit chat, don't use it as a reliable source of factual information. For ever good answer (such as most of the ones provided by Gould) you will find tons of bad answers. "Paul" wrote in message e.rogers.com... If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... No, not at all, oh spinning person......I rely on the PICTURES of pure **** to drive home the point. They're not as stupid as you think. They CAN think for themselves. Sea Ray hasn't sued Pascoe to get falst statements and pictures off the net, have they? I don't give a damn if Pascoe never typed a thing on this website.....Just LOOK AT THE PICTURES is more than enough exposure to the average Joe to tell he doesn't want to expose his family to this kind or crap, from ANY boat company.... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? Looking at the pictures, oh angry and cursing person, is most beneficial when one has the expertise to evaluate what is seen. Just like Fox News, we should strive to be fair and balanced. Here's a comment from David Pasco regarding Sea Ray's general quality. What do you suppose he means when he uses the phrases "hard to beat" and "excellent (used boat) value"? Quote: Summing up: On the outside, the overall quality is pretty good. Not much chintzy hardware, and the basic structures are holding up well. With care, it still looks good. The rub rails aren't all loose, dented and falling off, and stress cracking is minimal. As a used boat, it offers excellent value. As a new boat, they're still hard to beat quality wise, but the quality margin over the competition can be a pretty thin line at times. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends
upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. "Jim" wrote in message news:YHv3b.222617$Oz4.59426@rwcrnsc54... Bill, I would agree that SeaRays are really not designed for fishing, but what exactly is it about bluewater that makes it too challenging for SeaRays? The wave heights? The swells? Are the fuel tanks too small (not a structural issue)? Have you ever boated on the Great Lakes? Does the Edmund Fitzgerald ring a bell? There are plenty of SeaRays on the Great Lakes. ;-) "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:dyv3b.289427$uu5.63833@sccrnsc04... SeaRay is not a bluewater boat. Neither are most boats sold to the average consumer. It is a fair weather boat, designed for lake use, inshore or close to shore use. While the patch shown in Pasco's pictures might have been a patch done at the factory, it is definitely a patch and not reflective of their normal FRP lay-up. While most of us think a Mercedes or BMW is a better car than Ford, Chev y and Honda, very few of us are willing to pay that much for a car. It is the same with boats. If you want an offshore battlewagon, a Searay is not the boat you want. I don't think Searay markets or sells their boats as offshore battlewagons. They make a good low to middle priced boat, that many boaters enjoy. "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:51 GMT, "Paul" wrote: If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. There are more negative Searay comments than just the hurricane pictures Larry is talking about. Perhaps the Searay defenders are equally as disingenuous. Take a look through the entire site ate the Searay reviews and photos. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
Actually you never answered my question. Why is a SeaRay suitable for the conditions
on the Great Lakes but not for the conditions in "blue water"? Are you saying that the ocean conditions are far worse than the Great Lakes can offer? "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:j4w3b.289614$uu5.63903@sccrnsc04... Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. "Jim" wrote in message news:YHv3b.222617$Oz4.59426@rwcrnsc54... Bill, I would agree that SeaRays are really not designed for fishing, but what exactly is it about bluewater that makes it too challenging for SeaRays? The wave heights? The swells? Are the fuel tanks too small (not a structural issue)? Have you ever boated on the Great Lakes? Does the Edmund Fitzgerald ring a bell? There are plenty of SeaRays on the Great Lakes. ;-) "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:dyv3b.289427$uu5.63833@sccrnsc04... SeaRay is not a bluewater boat. Neither are most boats sold to the average consumer. It is a fair weather boat, designed for lake use, inshore or close to shore use. While the patch shown in Pasco's pictures might have been a patch done at the factory, it is definitely a patch and not reflective of their normal FRP lay-up. While most of us think a Mercedes or BMW is a better car than Ford, Chev y and Honda, very few of us are willing to pay that much for a car. It is the same with boats. If you want an offshore battlewagon, a Searay is not the boat you want. I don't think Searay markets or sells their boats as offshore battlewagons. They make a good low to middle priced boat, that many boaters enjoy. "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:51 GMT, "Paul" wrote: If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. There are more negative Searay comments than just the hurricane pictures Larry is talking about. Perhaps the Searay defenders are equally as disingenuous. Take a look through the entire site ate the Searay reviews and photos. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
I doubt the 'Great Lakes freighters' would survive many North Atlantic
crossings. Jim wrote in message news:e9w3b.222689$Oz4.59236@rwcrnsc54... Actually you never answered my question. Why is a SeaRay suitable for the conditions on the Great Lakes but not for the conditions in "blue water"? Are you saying that the ocean conditions are far worse than the Great Lakes can offer? "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:j4w3b.289614$uu5.63903@sccrnsc04... Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. "Jim" wrote in message news:YHv3b.222617$Oz4.59426@rwcrnsc54... Bill, I would agree that SeaRays are really not designed for fishing, but what exactly is it about bluewater that makes it too challenging for SeaRays? The wave heights? The swells? Are the fuel tanks too small (not a structural issue)? Have you ever boated on the Great Lakes? Does the Edmund Fitzgerald ring a bell? There are plenty of SeaRays on the Great Lakes. ;-) "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:dyv3b.289427$uu5.63833@sccrnsc04... SeaRay is not a bluewater boat. Neither are most boats sold to the average consumer. It is a fair weather boat, designed for lake use, inshore or close to shore use. While the patch shown in Pasco's pictures might have been a patch done at the factory, it is definitely a patch and not reflective of their normal FRP lay-up. While most of us think a Mercedes or BMW is a better car than Ford, Chev y and Honda, very few of us are willing to pay that much for a car. It is the same with boats. If you want an offshore battlewagon, a Searay is not the boat you want. I don't think Searay markets or sells their boats as offshore battlewagons. They make a good low to middle priced boat, that many boaters enjoy. "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:51 GMT, "Paul" wrote: If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. There are more negative Searay comments than just the hurricane pictures Larry is talking about. Perhaps the Searay defenders are equally as disingenuous. Take a look through the entire site ate the Searay reviews and photos. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
The difference is being able to outrun bad weather. Bluewater is normally
considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). If you are in the middle of the Great Lakes and a fast front moves through, you may not be able to outrun it, but a fast front will also blow over quickly. I have seen sailboats demasted by storms in both the Great Lakes and the ocean. An heavy built boat will continue to float after being demasted, a lightly built sailboat can actually crack in half. I think it was in San Diego America's Cup, a boat built for 15 knots winds split in the middle when the wind picked up to 20 knots. If you are boating close to shore, I would not worry about boating in a SeaRay. If I was boating offshore I would watch the weather faxes and forecasts no matter what boat I was in. It is possible that a SeaRay would have survived the storm that sunk the Ed. Fitz., but I would not want to be riding out the storm in a SeaRay. The stress put on a small boat is completely different than a large ship. "Jim" wrote in message news:e9w3b.222689$Oz4.59236@rwcrnsc54... Actually you never answered my question. Why is a SeaRay suitable for the conditions on the Great Lakes but not for the conditions in "blue water"? Are you saying that the ocean conditions are far worse than the Great Lakes can offer? "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:j4w3b.289614$uu5.63903@sccrnsc04... Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. "Jim" wrote in message news:YHv3b.222617$Oz4.59426@rwcrnsc54... Bill, I would agree that SeaRays are really not designed for fishing, but what exactly is it about bluewater that makes it too challenging for SeaRays? The wave heights? The swells? Are the fuel tanks too small (not a structural issue)? Have you ever boated on the Great Lakes? Does the Edmund Fitzgerald ring a bell? There are plenty of SeaRays on the Great Lakes. ;-) "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:dyv3b.289427$uu5.63833@sccrnsc04... SeaRay is not a bluewater boat. Neither are most boats sold to the average consumer. It is a fair weather boat, designed for lake use, inshore or close to shore use. While the patch shown in Pasco's pictures might have been a patch done at the factory, it is definitely a patch and not reflective of their normal FRP lay-up. While most of us think a Mercedes or BMW is a better car than Ford, Chev y and Honda, very few of us are willing to pay that much for a car. It is the same with boats. If you want an offshore battlewagon, a Searay is not the boat you want. I don't think Searay markets or sells their boats as offshore battlewagons. They make a good low to middle priced boat, that many boaters enjoy. "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:51 GMT, "Paul" wrote: If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. There are more negative Searay comments than just the hurricane pictures Larry is talking about. Perhaps the Searay defenders are equally as disingenuous. Take a look through the entire site ate the Searay reviews and photos. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
"Don White" wrote in message ... I doubt the 'Great Lakes freighters' would survive many North Atlantic crossings. Ummm...sorry to inform you Don but they do all the time. |
What time of year to purchase a boat
So it is more hull design vs layup and structure (as you originally contended). ;-)
BTW: Fronts do not necessarily blow over quickly on the Great Lakes. They can last as long and can be as severe as storms over the oceans. "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:O_w3b.287041$o%2.132449@sccrnsc02... The difference is being able to outrun bad weather. Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). If you are in the middle of the Great Lakes and a fast front moves through, you may not be able to outrun it, but a fast front will also blow over quickly. I have seen sailboats demasted by storms in both the Great Lakes and the ocean. An heavy built boat will continue to float after being demasted, a lightly built sailboat can actually crack in half. I think it was in San Diego America's Cup, a boat built for 15 knots winds split in the middle when the wind picked up to 20 knots. If you are boating close to shore, I would not worry about boating in a SeaRay. If I was boating offshore I would watch the weather faxes and forecasts no matter what boat I was in. It is possible that a SeaRay would have survived the storm that sunk the Ed. Fitz., but I would not want to be riding out the storm in a SeaRay. The stress put on a small boat is completely different than a large ship. "Jim" wrote in message news:e9w3b.222689$Oz4.59236@rwcrnsc54... Actually you never answered my question. Why is a SeaRay suitable for the conditions on the Great Lakes but not for the conditions in "blue water"? Are you saying that the ocean conditions are far worse than the Great Lakes can offer? "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:j4w3b.289614$uu5.63903@sccrnsc04... Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. "Jim" wrote in message news:YHv3b.222617$Oz4.59426@rwcrnsc54... Bill, I would agree that SeaRays are really not designed for fishing, but what exactly is it about bluewater that makes it too challenging for SeaRays? The wave heights? The swells? Are the fuel tanks too small (not a structural issue)? Have you ever boated on the Great Lakes? Does the Edmund Fitzgerald ring a bell? There are plenty of SeaRays on the Great Lakes. ;-) "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:dyv3b.289427$uu5.63833@sccrnsc04... SeaRay is not a bluewater boat. Neither are most boats sold to the average consumer. It is a fair weather boat, designed for lake use, inshore or close to shore use. While the patch shown in Pasco's pictures might have been a patch done at the factory, it is definitely a patch and not reflective of their normal FRP lay-up. While most of us think a Mercedes or BMW is a better car than Ford, Chev y and Honda, very few of us are willing to pay that much for a car. It is the same with boats. If you want an offshore battlewagon, a Searay is not the boat you want. I don't think Searay markets or sells their boats as offshore battlewagons. They make a good low to middle priced boat, that many boaters enjoy. "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:51 GMT, "Paul" wrote: If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. There are more negative Searay comments than just the hurricane pictures Larry is talking about. Perhaps the Searay defenders are equally as disingenuous. Take a look through the entire site ate the Searay reviews and photos. |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message news:O_w3b.287041$o%2.132449@sccrnsc02... The difference is being able to outrun bad weather. Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). If you are in the middle of the Great Lakes and a fast front moves through, you may not be able to outrun it, but a fast front will also blow over quickly. I have seen sailboats demasted by storms in both the Great Lakes and the ocean. An heavy built boat will continue to float after being demasted, a lightly built sailboat can actually crack in half. I think it was in San Diego America's Cup, a boat built for 15 knots winds split in the middle when the wind picked up to 20 knots. If you are boating close to shore, I would not worry about boating in a SeaRay. People do not boat "off shore" on the Great Lakes in a Sea Ray? Lakes Superior and Huron are close to 200 miles in breadth. http://coas****ch.glerl.noaa.gov/sta.../physical.html And "blue water" is 100 miles off shore??????? Really? Perhaps to you because it now suits your argument. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:19:58 GMT, "Bill Cole"
wrote: Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). ========================== "Blue Water" actually begins when you go off soundings at the edge of the continental shelf. Along much of the east coast, this is in the range of 60 to 100 miles offshore. On the Pacific coast it is much closer. The color of the water actually does change to a dark iridescent blue which is hard to describe. Blue water is generally used to describe conditions of large, deep, open water where you are too far from port to easily return in the event of bad weather. |
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I don't consider the Great Lakes to be Bluewater. I have always heard the
expression "Bluewater" in reference to the dark bright blue color of the ocean far far from shore where it is not colored by sediment. It is not my definition, it is one used by people who sail and cross the oceans. http://www.bwsailing.com/. Now if you want to call the Great Lakes, Bluewater, feel free. But I must have missed something along the way, I didn't realize I was in an argument. To be real honest with, I have no concerns if anyone buys a SeaRay. In fact, I really don't care if someone buys a SeaRay to cross the Pacific. The point I was trying to make was that SeaRay is a good boat, nothing more or nothing less. I saw a few posts where people were bad mouthing SeaRay, and I was coming to SeaRay's defense. It is a reasonable priced boat, that many people enjoy. Now if you want to believe SeaRay is the best boat in the world, so be it. "Jim" wrote in message news:fMx3b.223030$Oz4.59791@rwcrnsc54... "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:O_w3b.287041$o%2.132449@sccrnsc02... The difference is being able to outrun bad weather. Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). If you are in the middle of the Great Lakes and a fast front moves through, you may not be able to outrun it, but a fast front will also blow over quickly. I have seen sailboats demasted by storms in both the Great Lakes and the ocean. An heavy built boat will continue to float after being demasted, a lightly built sailboat can actually crack in half. I think it was in San Diego America's Cup, a boat built for 15 knots winds split in the middle when the wind picked up to 20 knots. If you are boating close to shore, I would not worry about boating in a SeaRay. People do not boat "off shore" on the Great Lakes in a Sea Ray? Lakes Superior and Huron are close to 200 miles in breadth. http://coas****ch.glerl.noaa.gov/sta.../physical.html And "blue water" is 100 miles off shore??????? Really? Perhaps to you because it now suits your argument. |
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Thanks Bill, especially for the civil discussion. With my 25+ years experience of
boating on the Great Lakes, storm fronts coming in quickly do tend to blow over *relatively* fast, but I would suspect the same is true on the east or west coast. Have a pleasant evening. "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:ZJy3b.223180$Oz4.60144@rwcrnsc54... Jim, I understand fronts do not necessarily blow over quickly, but when they come storming in quickly, they normally blow over quickly. Or at least that is what I have seen in my limited experience. "Jim" wrote in message news:Qmx3b.290014$uu5.64343@sccrnsc04... So it is more hull design vs layup and structure (as you originally contended). ;-) BTW: Fronts do not necessarily blow over quickly on the Great Lakes. They can last as long and can be as severe as storms over the oceans. "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:O_w3b.287041$o%2.132449@sccrnsc02... The difference is being able to outrun bad weather. Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). If you are in the middle of the Great Lakes and a fast front moves through, you may not be able to outrun it, but a fast front will also blow over quickly. I have seen sailboats demasted by storms in both the Great Lakes and the ocean. An heavy built boat will continue to float after being demasted, a lightly built sailboat can actually crack in half. I think it was in San Diego America's Cup, a boat built for 15 knots winds split in the middle when the wind picked up to 20 knots. If you are boating close to shore, I would not worry about boating in a SeaRay. If I was boating offshore I would watch the weather faxes and forecasts no matter what boat I was in. It is possible that a SeaRay would have survived the storm that sunk the Ed. Fitz., but I would not want to be riding out the storm in a SeaRay. The stress put on a small boat is completely different than a large ship. "Jim" wrote in message news:e9w3b.222689$Oz4.59236@rwcrnsc54... Actually you never answered my question. Why is a SeaRay suitable for the conditions on the Great Lakes but not for the conditions in "blue water"? Are you saying that the ocean conditions are far worse than the Great Lakes can offer? "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:j4w3b.289614$uu5.63903@sccrnsc04... Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. "Jim" wrote in message news:YHv3b.222617$Oz4.59426@rwcrnsc54... Bill, I would agree that SeaRays are really not designed for fishing, but what exactly is it about bluewater that makes it too challenging for SeaRays? The wave heights? The swells? Are the fuel tanks too small (not a structural issue)? Have you ever boated on the Great Lakes? Does the Edmund Fitzgerald ring a bell? There are plenty of SeaRays on the Great Lakes. ;-) "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:dyv3b.289427$uu5.63833@sccrnsc04... SeaRay is not a bluewater boat. Neither are most boats sold to the average consumer. It is a fair weather boat, designed for lake use, inshore or close to shore use. While the patch shown in Pasco's pictures might have been a patch done at the factory, it is definitely a patch and not reflective of their normal FRP lay-up. While most of us think a Mercedes or BMW is a better car than Ford, Chev y and Honda, very few of us are willing to pay that much for a car. It is the same with boats. If you want an offshore battlewagon, a Searay is not the boat you want. I don't think Searay markets or sells their boats as offshore battlewagons. They make a good low to middle priced boat, that many boaters enjoy. "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:51 GMT, "Paul" wrote: If I can pipe up he Larry, it seems that many of us here (like me) are new boaters and we use this newsgroup mainly to learn about the mystifying world of boating. Your point about that Searay is well taken but now Gould has provided another comment from the exact same source you've quoted. I don't appreciate the fact that you knew this quote existed and you purposely ignored it. If you have a problem with Searay you should be adding the caveat that your personal experience is different. I understand you own a lemon and I'm sorry you got suckered into buying it but that's no reason to purposely offer only partial info from third parties and claim it as the complete story. It is unfair to those of us who are trying to learn. Boating and all that is related to it is difficult enough to learn without people muddying the waters to further their own bitterness about a certain product. There are more negative Searay comments than just the hurricane pictures Larry is talking about. Perhaps the Searay defenders are equally as disingenuous. Take a look through the entire site ate the Searay reviews and photos. |
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Wayne,
That is the definition of Bluewater I have always heard. I have seen the dark bright blue color and it is very beautiful. I think I always thought of it as being about 100 miles offshore, because that is when I started to notice the color change. It also is totally different than the light blue of the Caribbean. While I have sailed and boated in the Great Lakes, it can be very beautiful. While the Great Lakes are looking much cleaner, it does not resemble the "bluewater" you see in the middle of the ocean. "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:19:58 GMT, "Bill Cole" wrote: Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). ========================== "Blue Water" actually begins when you go off soundings at the edge of the continental shelf. Along much of the east coast, this is in the range of 60 to 100 miles offshore. On the Pacific coast it is much closer. The color of the water actually does change to a dark iridescent blue which is hard to describe. Blue water is generally used to describe conditions of large, deep, open water where you are too far from port to easily return in the event of bad weather. |
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Bill, I have never considered or hinted that the Great Lakes are *blue water* bodies of
water. However, when you consider the depths and breadths of the Great Lakes (excluding Lake Erie) , a similarity can certainly be drawn, as I have previously eluded to. In the case of Lake Erie, bad seas come on fast and furious due to the extreme shallow depths of the Lake. The frequency of waves is much closer as compared to deeper bodies of water and the swells deeper, making boat travel much more dangerous. "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:oWy3b.219877$cF.72309@rwcrnsc53... I don't consider the Great Lakes to be Bluewater. I have always heard the expression "Bluewater" in reference to the dark bright blue color of the ocean far far from shore where it is not colored by sediment. It is not my definition, it is one used by people who sail and cross the oceans. http://www.bwsailing.com/. Now if you want to call the Great Lakes, Bluewater, feel free. But I must have missed something along the way, I didn't realize I was in an argument. To be real honest with, I have no concerns if anyone buys a SeaRay. In fact, I really don't care if someone buys a SeaRay to cross the Pacific. The point I was trying to make was that SeaRay is a good boat, nothing more or nothing less. I saw a few posts where people were bad mouthing SeaRay, and I was coming to SeaRay's defense. It is a reasonable priced boat, that many people enjoy. Now if you want to believe SeaRay is the best boat in the world, so be it. "Jim" wrote in message news:fMx3b.223030$Oz4.59791@rwcrnsc54... "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:O_w3b.287041$o%2.132449@sccrnsc02... The difference is being able to outrun bad weather. Bluewater is normally considered way offshore, (I normally think about it being over 100 miles offshore, some people think bluewater is when you cross an ocean, who the heck knows). If you are in the middle of the Great Lakes and a fast front moves through, you may not be able to outrun it, but a fast front will also blow over quickly. I have seen sailboats demasted by storms in both the Great Lakes and the ocean. An heavy built boat will continue to float after being demasted, a lightly built sailboat can actually crack in half. I think it was in San Diego America's Cup, a boat built for 15 knots winds split in the middle when the wind picked up to 20 knots. If you are boating close to shore, I would not worry about boating in a SeaRay. People do not boat "off shore" on the Great Lakes in a Sea Ray? Lakes Superior and Huron are close to 200 miles in breadth. http://coas****ch.glerl.noaa.gov/sta.../physical.html And "blue water" is 100 miles off shore??????? Really? Perhaps to you because it now suits your argument. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:17:35 GMT, "Bill Cole"
wrote: Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. My point is he can buy a USED, sturdy Hatteras for what Sea Bayliner wants for one of those "lake boats" you can poke your finger through made of putty. A 40' Sea Bayliner ain't cheap, by any stretch of the imagination..... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? |
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I for one would prefer a Hatteras, but after 10 - 15yrs. you can expect to
spend a lot of time maintaining an older boat. "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:17:35 GMT, "Bill Cole" wrote: Let's see you asked many questions, let me answer them Yes, Yes, Depends upon what you want to use the boat for. Yes, Yes. ; ) The waves that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald would sink many boats. The difference between the average boat and what is considered a bluewater boat is the thickness of the hull, the lay-up schedule, the strength of the bulk heads, the backing plates etc. SeaRays are designed to be fun boats for the average boater. The smaller ones are nice runabouts, the larger ones are nice weekenders. I would feel very comfortable using a SeaRay on the Great Lakes, but I would watch the weather carefully no matter what boat I was on. If you compare a SeaRay to a 60's Hatteras you will see a world of difference between the quality of the boats. Most people do not want to pay for a Hatteras. In runabouts Cobalt is the top of the line boat, and most people would see a difference in the way a Cobalt is built compared to a SeaRay, but you will pay approx. double for a Cobalt. My point is he can buy a USED, sturdy Hatteras for what Sea Bayliner wants for one of those "lake boats" you can poke your finger through made of putty. A 40' Sea Bayliner ain't cheap, by any stretch of the imagination..... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:06:58 GMT, "Bill Cole"
wrote: I for one would prefer a Hatteras, but after 10 - 15yrs. you can expect to spend a lot of time maintaining an older boat. The way they build them now, you can expect to spend a lot of time fixing the shoddy workmanship the used boat's owner will have already corrected, too. It's about a good survey..... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? |
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ANYTIME is the best time to purchase a boat! ;) Lloyd |
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Jim,
I'm no expert, but I don't believe so. The Great Lakes Boats are shallow draft and a lot longer in comparison to ocean going vessels. They move iron ore, and other products, between non ocean ports. If I'm incorrect. I'm sure I'll hear about it. :-) Paul "Jim" wrote in message news:Gjx3b.287953$Ho3.40000@sccrnsc03... "Don White" wrote in message ... I doubt the 'Great Lakes freighters' would survive many North Atlantic crossings. Ummm...sorry to inform you Don but they do all the time. |
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Paul,
Larry is not a surveyor and no surveyor would evaluate a boat over the internet. If the boat looks good to you, and the price is competitive to other similar boats in your market, make an offer contingent upon receiving a good survey from a qualified surveyor. Do not take anyone opinions in a NG as anything but their opinion. You can see what other 30 ft. SeaRays are selling for at: www.boattrader.com and what NADA says wholesale and retail estimates are at: www.nadaguides.com http://www3.nadaguides.com/SectionHo...Sec=4&wPg=1172 NADA prices are based upon the average new retail and then they discount the price "X" percent each year. It is not the same as the "comps" you get when you are buying a home, and prices can vary considerable based upon condition of boat and location. In other words, there are no easy answers. Bill. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, It sounds as though you've had a bad experience with SeaRay, sorry to hear this. I'm considering buying an 89 SeaRay 30 " Weekender. I'm told this is the last year that SeaRay was independently owned and that this year hull had prop pockets. Would your criticism include this model year? The price, $30 to 45K seems reasonable. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:06:58 GMT, "Bill Cole" wrote: I for one would prefer a Hatteras, but after 10 - 15yrs. you can expect to spend a lot of time maintaining an older boat. The way they build them now, you can expect to spend a lot of time fixing the shoddy workmanship the used boat's owner will have already corrected, too. It's about a good survey..... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? |
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Paul, I owned an '87 270 Sundancer. It was a solid boat. The '85-'88 era of Searay
boats were stoutly built and offer great value. I think the '89 is the same as the '88, but I am not sure. Brunswick purchased Searay in the late '80's and their first influence on the boats was seen either in '89 or '90. Pay special attention to the cabin windows and hatches. They tend to leak. And of course have it surveyed. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, It sounds as though you've had a bad experience with SeaRay, sorry to hear this. I'm considering buying an 89 SeaRay 30 " Weekender. I'm told this is the last year that SeaRay was independently owned and that this year hull had prop pockets. Would your criticism include this model year? The price, $30 to 45K seems reasonable. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:06:58 GMT, "Bill Cole" wrote: I for one would prefer a Hatteras, but after 10 - 15yrs. you can expect to spend a lot of time maintaining an older boat. The way they build them now, you can expect to spend a lot of time fixing the shoddy workmanship the used boat's owner will have already corrected, too. It's about a good survey..... Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:28:40 -0400, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Larry, It sounds as though you've had a bad experience with SeaRay, sorry to hear this. I'm considering buying an 89 SeaRay 30 " Weekender. I'm told this is the last year that SeaRay was independently owned and that this year hull had prop pockets. Would your criticism include this model year? The price, $30 to 45K seems reasonable. Paul Of course it would depend on how the boat was cared for, but I'm worried about the Brunswick Boats. This one was built before the Brunswick Beancounters took over and the blown-in chop replaced hand laid real fiberglass the craftsmen used to build. If you get a chance, pull off a hull fitting and look at what the hull of it looks like in the hole. Fiberglass has layer after layer of fabric coated with resin you can see. If it looks like putty....RUN! Larry W4CSC Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site? |
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Of course it would depend on how the boat was cared for, but I'm
worried about the Brunswick Boats. This one was built before the Brunswick Beancounters took over No, it was built three years *after* Brunswick acquired Sea Ray, but why let the facts screw up a line of anecdotal, dock talk BS that's already worked up a head of steam? and the blown-in chop replaced hand laid real fiberglass the craftsmen used to build. If you get a chance, pull off a hull fitting and look at what the hull of it looks like in the hole. Fiberglass has layer after layer of fabric coated with resin you can see. If it looks like putty....RUN! The "blown-in chop" you advise against doesn't look like putty. And it isn't "blown in", it's pumped. And the area surrounding a through hull is commonly a fairing block molded into the hull and is quite likely atypical of the rest of the structure area. The presence of a solid rove and resin fairing block is even more likely on a hull that *is* cored, with any material. So much for "pull off a through hull and look for putty." Anybody interested in watching a movie that shows how new Sea Ray boats are *actually* built can find the movie at this site: http://www.searay.com/index.asp?disp...ab=0&cid=1729& I guess they cleverly edited out the part showing the guys trowelin in the "mystery goo" from 55-gallon drums. :-) |
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Paul Schilter wrote:
Larry, It sounds as though you've had a bad experience with SeaRay, sorry to hear this. I'm considering buying an 89 SeaRay 30 " Weekender. I'm told this is the last year that SeaRay was independently owned and that this year hull had prop pockets. Would your criticism include this model year? The price, $30 to 45K seems reasonable. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message Larry probably knows less about solid boat construction than anyone who posts here regularly. He's a mentally challenged, high-school dropout with all sorts of delusions. I believe he owns some sort of little jetski boat he's managed to keep afloat for about seven years despite his abusing it continuously by parking his lard-butt in its driver seat. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Good movie Chuck, thanks for the link. I'm not the biggest fan of Sea
Ray boats but have to admit that watching those robotic drills and routers swoop in and start cutting holes in the hull is pretty cool stuff. They are obviously achieving economies of scale that no small builder could ever aspire to. I thought their new technology where a single, continuous thread of glass is laid in the mold by the robot, and then a another mold placed on top and the layup saturated with resin was particularly interesting. They show an entire hull being produced this way, but if you check out the small parts on Sea Ray it's easy to see which are produced with this technique, they have a "finished" appearance on both sides. |
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