Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

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Don White wrote:
Canadians will recognize this as a play on the old 'Red Rose Tea'
commercials.
..as for those from the 'Land of the Free'.... pity!
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/20...ore-sicko.html

Unfortunately, Moore is mostly spot-on with his critique of the
U.S.
health care system. It's a mess.
Much better than the socialized health care systems, such as in
Canada.

Take control of ridiculous lawsuits and jury awards and we can fix
it.

Those focusing on the number of uninsured do not consider the
decision
to be uninsured is mainly a personal decision based on age (those
in
their 20's) or financial ability to cover their own medical costs.

Best deal in Rochester for a single person: $637 per month.

You should work for the DNC.............you quote a figure for the
unemployed or in Burger King jobs.

Try again Doug.

You think young people just out of school make a "personal decision"
to
either eat or have health insurance, like they have a choice?

No. They make the decision to put the money to fund their upscale
lifestyle. When you are in your 20's, you think you are invincible
and
know everything............thus going uninsured. Put the money saved
to
a nicer apartment or nicer car.

You're a little out of touch.

You are both out of touch. Young people in the 20's will pay a lot less
than 600 a month. Unless they get a very low deductible policy. A
$2000 a
year policy is probably less than $200 a month for a 24 year old. A $2k
deductible for a 64 year old in good health like me is in the $750
range.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good thing you have that handyman job.....

I guess... $750. x 12 = $9K + the $2K deductible and you're hitting $11K a
year.
I have to assume Kalif Bill's income tax rate is low in order for him to
feel he's better off.

The insurance is deductible. And how many years do you make the 2k
deductible? Major problem with cost of insurance, and really shows up in
covers everything like Canada plan is that people go to the doctor for every
little ache and pain and cold. Poor people in the USA get free medical care
as part of the welfare system. They overuse the emergency room. They use
it as the doctors office. Kid gets a cold, off to the ER. If we required
people too pay more of their basic medical costs, we could save tremendous
amounts on insurance. I knew a person years ago, who belonged to Kaiser
Health and the office visit was $2 or less. He went to two different Kaiser
hospitals to get his BP checked. Wanted to make sure there was no error.
Ignoring the fact that is was normally high and about the same every month.
How much did that visit cost the rest of the subscribers?

I'm glad you see and understand that the U.S. healthcare system is in
shambles and needs fixing.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
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On Jun 13, 1:31 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message

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JimH wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
Canadians will recognize this as a play on the old 'Red Rose
Tea'
commercials.
..as for those from the 'Land of the Free'.... pity!
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/20...ore-sicko.html

Unfortunately, Moore is mostly spot-on with his critique of the
U.S.
health care system. It's a mess.
Much better than the socialized health care systems, such as in
Canada.

Take control of ridiculous lawsuits and jury awards and we can
fix
it.

Those focusing on the number of uninsured do not consider the
decision
to be uninsured is mainly a personal decision based on age
(those
in
their 20's) or financial ability to cover their own medical
costs.

Best deal in Rochester for a single person: $637 per month.

You should work for the DNC.............you quote a figure for the
unemployed or in Burger King jobs.

Try again Doug.

You think young people just out of school make a "personal
decision"
to
either eat or have health insurance, like they have a choice?

No. They make the decision to put the money to fund their
upscale
lifestyle. When you are in your 20's, you think you are
invincible
and
know everything............thus going uninsured. Put the money
saved
to
a nicer apartment or nicer car.

You're a little out of touch.

You are both out of touch. Young people in the 20's will pay a lot
less
than 600 a month. Unless they get a very low deductible policy. A
$2000 a
year policy is probably less than $200 a month for a 24 year old. A
$2k
deductible for a 64 year old in good health like me is in the $750
range.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good thing you have that handyman job.....

I guess... $750. x 12 = $9K + the $2K deductible and you're hitting
$11K a
year.
I have to assume Kalif Bill's income tax rate is low in order for him
to
feel he's better off.

The insurance is deductible. And how many years do you make the 2k
deductible? Major problem with cost of insurance, and really shows up in
covers everything like Canada plan is that people go to the doctor for
every
little ache and pain and cold. Poor people in the USA get free medical
care
as part of the welfare system. They overuse the emergency room. They
use
it as the doctors office. Kid gets a cold, off to the ER. If we
required
people too pay more of their basic medical costs, we could save
tremendous
amounts on insurance. I knew a person years ago, who belonged to Kaiser
Health and the office visit was $2 or less. He went to two different
Kaiser
hospitals to get his BP checked. Wanted to make sure there was no error.
Ignoring the fact that is was normally high and about the same every
month.
How much did that visit cost the rest of the subscribers?

I'm glad you see and understand that the U.S. healthcare system is in
shambles and needs fixing.



But not a Canada or UK style. They are both bankrupt and long waits for
care. Sort of like Kaiser Health System. You can have a long wait for
surgery and other care. Worst thing that happened to the US health system
was all inclusive insurance programs. Encourages people to use the health
care system, when they do not need to se it. Plus those who pay cast for
their health care, are subsidizing the insurance. When an insurance company
pays about 20% of the billed amount, the medical profession has to make up
the difference.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

Calif Bill wrote:

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JimH wrote:

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Don White wrote:

Canadians will recognize this as a play on the old 'Red Rose Tea'
commercials.
..as for those from the 'Land of the Free'.... pity!
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/20...ore-sicko.html

Unfortunately, Moore is mostly spot-on with his critique of the
U.S.
health care system. It's a mess.

Much better than the socialized health care systems, such as in
Canada.

Take control of ridiculous lawsuits and jury awards and we can fix
it.

Those focusing on the number of uninsured do not consider the
decision
to be uninsured is mainly a personal decision based on age (those
in
their 20's) or financial ability to cover their own medical costs.

Best deal in Rochester for a single person: $637 per month.

You should work for the DNC.............you quote a figure for the
unemployed or in Burger King jobs.

Try again Doug.

You think young people just out of school make a "personal decision"
to
either eat or have health insurance, like they have a choice?

No. They make the decision to put the money to fund their upscale
lifestyle. When you are in your 20's, you think you are invincible
and
know everything............thus going uninsured. Put the money saved
to
a nicer apartment or nicer car.

You're a little out of touch.

You are both out of touch. Young people in the 20's will pay a lot less
than 600 a month. Unless they get a very low deductible policy. A
$2000 a
year policy is probably less than $200 a month for a 24 year old. A $2k
deductible for a 64 year old in good health like me is in the $750
range.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good thing you have that handyman job.....



I guess... $750. x 12 = $9K + the $2K deductible and you're hitting $11K a
year.
I have to assume Kalif Bill's income tax rate is low in order for him to
feel he's better off.




The insurance is deductible. And how many years do you make the 2k
deductible?

Not to mention with a 2k deductible, you can set up a HSA and put away
the 2k pre tax.

Major problem with cost of insurance, and really shows up in
covers everything like Canada plan is that people go to the doctor for every
little ache and pain and cold. Poor people in the USA get free medical care
as part of the welfare system. They overuse the emergency room. They use
it as the doctors office. Kid gets a cold, off to the ER. If we required
people too pay more of their basic medical costs, we could save tremendous
amounts on insurance. I knew a person years ago, who belonged to Kaiser
Health and the office visit was $2 or less. He went to two different Kaiser
hospitals to get his BP checked. Wanted to make sure there was no error.
Ignoring the fact that is was normally high and about the same every month.
How much did that visit cost the rest of the subscribers?



Another problem is litigation, doctors will order every test under the
sun in order to avoid potential litagation

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
blathered the following foolishness.....

But not a Canada or UK style. They are both bankrupt and long waits for
care. Sort of like Kaiser Health System. You can have a long wait for
surgery and other care. Worst thing that happened to the US health system
was all inclusive insurance programs. Encourages people to use the health
care system, when they do not need to se it. Plus those who pay cast for
their health care, are subsidizing the insurance. When an insurance
company pays about 20% of the billed amount, the medical profession has to
make up the difference.


Bankrupt?? Not likely.
The complaint is trying to stay with even with rising costs.......
especially when competing for doctors & nurses with filthy rich American
hospitals.
The long waits are for certain treatments and vary with the relative wealth
of the individual provinces.
All this brought on by the federal gov't reducing the percentage of health
care costs it contributes.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
blathered the following foolishness.....

But not a Canada or UK style. They are both bankrupt and long waits for
care. Sort of like Kaiser Health System. You can have a long wait for
surgery and other care. Worst thing that happened to the US health
system was all inclusive insurance programs. Encourages people to use
the health care system, when they do not need to se it. Plus those who
pay cast for their health care, are subsidizing the insurance. When an
insurance company pays about 20% of the billed amount, the medical
profession has to make up the difference.


Bankrupt?? Not likely.
The complaint is trying to stay with even with rising costs.......
especially when competing for doctors & nurses with filthy rich American
hospitals.
The long waits are for certain treatments and vary with the relative
wealth of the individual provinces.
All this brought on by the federal gov't reducing the percentage of health
care costs it contributes.



If not bankrupt, damn close. Maybe those doctors and nurses want to make
enough money to make up for 8 years of education and no pay.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
blathered the following foolishness.....

But not a Canada or UK style. They are both bankrupt and long waits for
care. Sort of like Kaiser Health System. You can have a long wait for
surgery and other care. Worst thing that happened to the US health system
was all inclusive insurance programs. Encourages people to use the health
care system, when they do not need to se it. Plus those who pay cast for
their health care, are subsidizing the insurance. When an insurance
company pays about 20% of the billed amount, the medical profession has to
make up the difference.


Bankrupt?? Not likely.
The complaint is trying to stay with even with rising costs.......
especially when competing for doctors & nurses with filthy rich American
hospitals.

Do you have an inferiorty complex when discussing everything about the US?

The long waits are for certain treatments and vary with the relative wealth
of the individual provinces.

So you do agree, there are many people in Canada who do have long waits
for the more expensive procedures.

All this brought on by the federal gov't reducing the percentage of health
care costs it contributes.

This is something all insurance companies are doing, they are trying to
place a value on health care, so the consumer will use medical services
prudently. What all insurance companies, and government medical health
care have found out, if the consumer doesn't pay a percent of the cost
directly for the services they receive, they have no vested interested
in trying to hold down cost.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

John H. wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:30:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:

Canadians will recognize this as a play on the old 'Red Rose Tea'
commercials.
..as for those from the 'Land of the Free'.... pity!
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/20...ore-sicko.html


Unfortunately, Moore is mostly spot-on with his critique of the U.S.
health care system. It's a mess.

Much better than the socialized health care systems, such as in Canada.

Take control of ridiculous lawsuits and jury awards and we can fix it.

Those focusing on the number of uninsured do not consider the decision
to
be uninsured is mainly a personal decision based on age (those in their
20's) or financial ability to cover their own medical costs.


Best deal in Rochester for a single person: $637 per month. You think
young
people just out of school make a "personal decision" to either eat or have
health insurance, like they have a choice?


Show us.

First, tell me what you don't believe about that number.



I've said nothing about belief or disbelief. I was just interested in your
source and why the insurance was so expensive for a young person just out
of school.

Most likely they want a low deductible with a preimium carrier. That is
what drives up the cost. The "name" carriers are set up for large
groups, and their individual policies are outrageous.

I insure myself, (late 40's non smoker) cost is $150.00 a month.
That is with a 2k deductible. A $250.00 deduct would run me $650.00 a
month ( a 10k deduct. would run less than $100) With a HSA, I can save
the 2k a year pre tax. You can see it only takes a few months of no
claims to come out way ahead.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

On Jun 13, 11:15 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

...







"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
blathered the following foolishness.....

But not a Canada or UK style. They are both bankrupt and long waits for
care. Sort of like Kaiser Health System. You can have a long wait for
surgery and other care. Worst thing that happened to the US health
system was all inclusive insurance programs. Encourages people to use
the health care system, when they do not need to se it. Plus those who
pay cast for their health care, are subsidizing the insurance. When an
insurance company pays about 20% of the billed amount, the medical
profession has to make up the difference.

Bankrupt?? Not likely.
The complaint is trying to stay with even with rising costs.......
especially when competing for doctors & nurses with filthy rich American
hospitals.
The long waits are for certain treatments and vary with the relative
wealth of the individual provinces.
All this brought on by the federal gov't reducing the percentage of health
care costs it contributes.

If not bankrupt, damn close. Maybe those doctors and nurses want to make
enough money to make up for 8 years of education and no pay.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, hell, Bills wrong again. "No pay"????

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

On Jun 13, 8:38 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Jun 13, 1:31 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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On Jun 13, 2:20 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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JimH wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
Canadians will recognize this as a play on the old 'Red Rose
Tea'
commercials.
..as for those from the 'Land of the Free'.... pity!
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/20...ore-sicko.html

Unfortunately, Moore is mostly spot-on with his critique of the
U.S.
health care system. It's a mess.
Much better than the socialized health care systems, such as in
Canada.

Take control of ridiculous lawsuits and jury awards and we can
fix
it.

Those focusing on the number of uninsured do not consider the
decision
to be uninsured is mainly a personal decision based on age
(those
in
their 20's) or financial ability to cover their own medical
costs.

Best deal in Rochester for a single person: $637 per month.

You should work for the DNC.............you quote a figure for the
unemployed or in Burger King jobs.

Try again Doug.

You think young people just out of school make a "personal
decision"
to
either eat or have health insurance, like they have a choice?

No. They make the decision to put the money to fund their
upscale
lifestyle. When you are in your 20's, you think you are
invincible
and
know everything............thus going uninsured. Put the money
saved
to
a nicer apartment or nicer car.

You're a little out of touch.

You are both out of touch. Young people in the 20's will pay a lot
less
than 600 a month. Unless they get a very low deductible policy. A
$2000 a
year policy is probably less than $200 a month for a 24 year old. A
$2k
deductible for a 64 year old in good health like me is in the $750
range.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good thing you have that handyman job.....

I guess... $750. x 12 = $9K + the $2K deductible and you're hitting
$11K a
year.
I have to assume Kalif Bill's income tax rate is low in order for him
to
feel he's better off.

The insurance is deductible. And how many years do you make the 2k
deductible? Major problem with cost of insurance, and really shows up in
covers everything like Canada plan is that people go to the doctor for
every
little ache and pain and cold. Poor people in the USA get free medical
care
as part of the welfare system. They overuse the emergency room. They
use
it as the doctors office. Kid gets a cold, off to the ER. If we
required
people too pay more of their basic medical costs, we could save
tremendous
amounts on insurance. I knew a person years ago, who belonged to Kaiser
Health and the office visit was $2 or less. He went to two different
Kaiser
hospitals to get his BP checked. Wanted to make sure there was no error.
Ignoring the fact that is was normally high and about the same every
month.
How much did that visit cost the rest of the subscribers?

I'm glad you see and understand that the U.S. healthcare system is in
shambles and needs fixing.

But not a Canada or UK style. They are both bankrupt and long waits for
care. Sort of like Kaiser Health System. You can have a long wait for
surgery and other care. Worst thing that happened to the US health system
was all inclusive insurance programs. Encourages people to use the health
care system, when they do not need to se it. Plus those who pay cast for
their health care, are subsidizing the insurance. When an insurance company
pays about 20% of the billed amount, the medical profession has to make up
the difference.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know, I know, you learned everything you know about healthcare from
listening to politicians that have their hand's directly in the
pockets of lobbyists for the AMA, etc. Oh, and wrong. Neither UK's nor
Canada's healthcare system is bankrupt. And the long waits you here
about in Canada? Mostly overexaggerated. Ask people here who live
there and live under the system.

Only in Canada, you say...pity!
 

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:22:24 -0400, animal05
wrote:

John H. wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:30:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:

Canadians will recognize this as a play on the old 'Red Rose Tea'
commercials.
..as for those from the 'Land of the Free'.... pity!
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/20...ore-sicko.html


Unfortunately, Moore is mostly spot-on with his critique of the U.S.
health care system. It's a mess.

Much better than the socialized health care systems, such as in Canada.

Take control of ridiculous lawsuits and jury awards and we can fix it.

Those focusing on the number of uninsured do not consider the decision
to
be uninsured is mainly a personal decision based on age (those in their
20's) or financial ability to cover their own medical costs.


Best deal in Rochester for a single person: $637 per month. You think
young
people just out of school make a "personal decision" to either eat or have
health insurance, like they have a choice?


Show us.

First, tell me what you don't believe about that number.



I've said nothing about belief or disbelief. I was just interested in your
source and why the insurance was so expensive for a young person just out
of school.

Most likely they want a low deductible with a preimium carrier. That is
what drives up the cost. The "name" carriers are set up for large
groups, and their individual policies are outrageous.

I insure myself, (late 40's non smoker) cost is $150.00 a month.
That is with a 2k deductible. A $250.00 deduct would run me $650.00 a
month ( a 10k deduct. would run less than $100) With a HSA, I can save
the 2k a year pre tax. You can see it only takes a few months of no
claims to come out way ahead.

I figured part of the story was missing. Thanks.