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Not bad.

BTW: Another great day on the water. ;-)

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"JimH" wrote in message
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Not bad.

BTW: Another great day on the water. ;-)


Did the first, real "mini-cruise" on the GB today. Left the marina on Cape
Cod (near Wood's Hole) , through the Cape Cod Canal, then northward to
Scituate, MA.

Set the throttle to 1700 RPM as we entered Buzzard's Bay and didn't change
it until we arrived in Scituate, 7.5 hours later. Total fuel burn:
Approximately 16 gallons, not counting whatever the genny used.

With 400 gallons of fuel at the start, I am starting to think we have a
lifetime supply.

Interesting little trip and my first on this type of boat. We hit the canal
at the worst possible time ... max current against us ... and barely managed
to maintain 3 knots headway. There were people walking the hiking trail on
bank of the canal that waved as they passed us by. The only person we
gained on was an elderly man walking along with the aid of a walker.

It was actually very enjoyable and relaxing, even though it was a bit snotty
as we exited the canal and into Cape Cod Bay. A NE wind had fetched up the
Bay a bit, but it flattened as we slowly progressed northward to Scituate.
It really didn't seem like all that time had gone by.

I need more practice backing a single inboard into the slip in Scituate
though. It's a bit tight and I am too used to twins swinging big props that
move the boat around. The GP is totally different. Turns on a dime going
forward (big rudder) but nada backing up. I'll get the hang of it
eventually.

Couple of pics:

Transiting canal:
http://www.eisboch.com/canal1.jpg
http://www.eisboch.com/canal2.jpg


Arrival in Scituate:
http://www.eisboch.com/arrive1.jpg
http://www.eisboch.com/arrive2.jpg


Cruising speed: :-)
http://www.eisboch.com/gps.jpg

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
...
Not bad.

BTW: Another great day on the water. ;-)


Did the first, real "mini-cruise" on the GB today. Left the marina on
Cape Cod (near Wood's Hole) , through the Cape Cod Canal, then northward
to Scituate, MA.

Set the throttle to 1700 RPM as we entered Buzzard's Bay and didn't change
it until we arrived in Scituate, 7.5 hours later. Total fuel burn:
Approximately 16 gallons, not counting whatever the genny used.

With 400 gallons of fuel at the start, I am starting to think we have a
lifetime supply.

Interesting little trip and my first on this type of boat. We hit the
canal at the worst possible time ... max current against us ... and barely
managed to maintain 3 knots headway. There were people walking the
hiking trail on bank of the canal that waved as they passed us by. The
only person we gained on was an elderly man walking along with the aid of
a walker.

It was actually very enjoyable and relaxing, even though it was a bit
snotty as we exited the canal and into Cape Cod Bay. A NE wind had
fetched up the Bay a bit, but it flattened as we slowly progressed
northward to Scituate. It really didn't seem like all that time had gone
by.

I need more practice backing a single inboard into the slip in Scituate
though. It's a bit tight and I am too used to twins swinging big props
that move the boat around. The GP is totally different. Turns on a dime
going forward (big rudder) but nada backing up. I'll get the hang of it
eventually.

Couple of pics:

Transiting canal:
http://www.eisboch.com/canal1.jpg
http://www.eisboch.com/canal2.jpg


Arrival in Scituate:
http://www.eisboch.com/arrive1.jpg
http://www.eisboch.com/arrive2.jpg


Cruising speed: :-)
http://www.eisboch.com/gps.jpg

Eisboch









I have a friend who has an older GB single. Will never get whip lash going
out the Gate to fish salmon. But does do well on fuel.

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On Jun 10, 6:49?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
I need more practice backing a single inboard into the slip in Scituate
though. It's a bit tight and I am too used to twins swinging big props that
move the boat around. The GP is totally different. Turns on a dime going
forward (big rudder) but nada backing up. I'll get the hang of it
eventually.


So do we all need practice, regardless of the number of years with a
single screw.

General tip, try to achieve balance between sternway pressure on the
rudder and prop walk. With the rudder set to oppose the prop walk, you
should be able to roughly "steer" in reverse by increasing rpm (and
prop walk) when the rudder begins taking you off in one direction and
decreasing rpm (or coasting astern in neutral) when the prop walk gets
too dominant. Once you get a couple knots sternway up the prop walk is
less of an issue.......but you may not want to get up to that kind of
speed backing into a slip.

You can always "cheat" and use a bow thruster. :-)

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:25:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

General tip, try to achieve balance between sternway pressure on the
rudder and prop walk. With the rudder set to oppose the prop walk, you
should be able to roughly "steer" in reverse by increasing rpm (and
prop walk) when the rudder begins taking you off in one direction and
decreasing rpm (or coasting astern in neutral) when the prop walk gets
too dominant. Once you get a couple knots sternway up the prop walk is
less of an issue.......but you may not want to get up to that kind of
speed backing into a slip.

Speaking to Chuck's point, although it probably will not work as well
on a powerboat, one of my old sailboat maneuvering tricks was to give
the boat a good shot of reverse while still in the clear, build some
momentum, and then back in at idle speed or totally in neutral. This
requires some practice to learn how far you can glide before losing
steerage. On a sailboat it is quite a long way. The main thing with
reverse is to be quick and decisive with the application of power,
building enough speed that the rudder can get a bite.

The other big trick to master is the "back and fill" maneuver where
reverse is used only to check forward speed, and forward power is
applied in short bursts with the rudder hard over. Depending on prop
rotation, the boat will be much easier to turn in one direction than
the other. I have seen large workboats turn around almost in their
own length using this technique.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:25:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

General tip, try to achieve balance between sternway pressure on the
rudder and prop walk. With the rudder set to oppose the prop walk, you
should be able to roughly "steer" in reverse by increasing rpm (and
prop walk) when the rudder begins taking you off in one direction and
decreasing rpm (or coasting astern in neutral) when the prop walk gets
too dominant. Once you get a couple knots sternway up the prop walk is
less of an issue.......but you may not want to get up to that kind of
speed backing into a slip.

Speaking to Chuck's point, although it probably will not work as well
on a powerboat, one of my old sailboat maneuvering tricks was to give
the boat a good shot of reverse while still in the clear, build some
momentum, and then back in at idle speed or totally in neutral. This
requires some practice to learn how far you can glide before losing
steerage. On a sailboat it is quite a long way. The main thing with
reverse is to be quick and decisive with the application of power,
building enough speed that the rudder can get a bite.

The other big trick to master is the "back and fill" maneuver where
reverse is used only to check forward speed, and forward power is
applied in short bursts with the rudder hard over. Depending on prop
rotation, the boat will be much easier to turn in one direction than
the other. I have seen large workboats turn around almost in their
own length using this technique.


Thanks to both of you for sharing your experiences. I am going up to the
GB later this morning and do some practicing.

Part of the learning curve (for me) is adjusting to the v-e-r-y slow
response to throttle or gear shift. I get a kick out of it, but it takes
some getting used to. A 36 GB is a heavy boat for a little 120 hp engine
and small prop, but it's fun learning how to deal with it. My head's
"tuned" for much more powerful boats with bigger props, etc. that react
rather quickly. I'll get there with some more practice.

Eisboch

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...



BTW .... Wayne ...

The former owner of Mrs.E's boat ended up buying a 1990 GB 49 footer with
twins.
It's not high powered ... 15 kt cruise ... but it's a thing of beauty. He
spent all last winter traveling the southern hemisphere in it and recently
returned to Kingman for a short haul and cleaning before traveling off
again.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:25:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

General tip, try to achieve balance between sternway pressure on the
rudder and prop walk. With the rudder set to oppose the prop walk, you
should be able to roughly "steer" in reverse by increasing rpm (and
prop walk) when the rudder begins taking you off in one direction and
decreasing rpm (or coasting astern in neutral) when the prop walk gets
too dominant. Once you get a couple knots sternway up the prop walk is
less of an issue.......but you may not want to get up to that kind of
speed backing into a slip.

Speaking to Chuck's point, although it probably will not work as well
on a powerboat, one of my old sailboat maneuvering tricks was to give
the boat a good shot of reverse while still in the clear, build some
momentum, and then back in at idle speed or totally in neutral. This
requires some practice to learn how far you can glide before losing
steerage. On a sailboat it is quite a long way. The main thing with
reverse is to be quick and decisive with the application of power,
building enough speed that the rudder can get a bite.

The other big trick to master is the "back and fill" maneuver where
reverse is used only to check forward speed, and forward power is
applied in short bursts with the rudder hard over. Depending on prop
rotation, the boat will be much easier to turn in one direction than
the other. I have seen large workboats turn around almost in their
own length using this technique.


Thanks to both of you for sharing your experiences. I am going up to the
GB later this morning and do some practicing.

Part of the learning curve (for me) is adjusting to the v-e-r-y slow
response to throttle or gear shift. I get a kick out of it, but it takes
some getting used to. A 36 GB is a heavy boat for a little 120 hp engine
and small prop, but it's fun learning how to deal with it. My head's
"tuned" for much more powerful boats with bigger props, etc. that react
rather quickly. I'll get there with some more practice.

Eisboch

You taking over Mrs. E's boat?

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"Jim" wrote in message
nk.net...


You taking over Mrs. E's boat?


If it has an ignition or on-off switch .... I drive.
If it has a saddle and you feed it .... she drives.

It's written into our marriage agreement.

Eisboch

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On Jun 11, 5:38?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:25:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

General tip, try to achieve balance between sternway pressure on the
rudder and prop walk. With the rudder set to oppose the prop walk, you
should be able to roughly "steer" in reverse by increasing rpm (and
prop walk) when the rudder begins taking you off in one direction and
decreasing rpm (or coasting astern in neutral) when the prop walk gets
too dominant. Once you get a couple knots sternway up the prop walk is
less of an issue.......but you may not want to get up to that kind of
speed backing into a slip.

Speaking to Chuck's point, although it probably will not work as well
on a powerboat, one of my old sailboat maneuvering tricks was to give
the boat a good shot of reverse while still in the clear, build some
momentum, and then back in at idle speed or totally in neutral. This
requires some practice to learn how far you can glide before losing
steerage. On a sailboat it is quite a long way. The main thing with
reverse is to be quick and decisive with the application of power,
building enough speed that the rudder can get a bite.

The other big trick to master is the "back and fill" maneuver where
reverse is used only to check forward speed, and forward power is
applied in short bursts with the rudder hard over. Depending on prop
rotation, the boat will be much easier to turn in one direction than
the other. I have seen large workboats turn around almost in their
own length using this technique.

Thanks to both of you for sharing your experiences. I am going up to the
GB later this morning and do some practicing.

Part of the learning curve (for me) is adjusting to the v-e-r-y slow
response to throttle or gear shift. I get a kick out of it, but it takes
some getting used to. A 36 GB is a heavy boat for a little 120 hp engine
and small prop, but it's fun learning how to deal with it. My head's
"tuned" for much more powerful boats with bigger props, etc. that react
rather quickly. I'll get there with some more practice.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

By the way, unless you're med mooring or at some rendezvous or other
gathering where you want your aft deck and transom up to the central
float or pier, there's a very good case to be made for going into the
slip bow first, especially with a single screw.

First, as you have discovered it is something of a nuisance to reverse
for long distances in tight quarters. Beyond that, you know exactly
what conditions are when you arrive at the slip, but you can't foresee
what conditions will be when you are ready to leave. Going into the
slip stern first means that you will need to exit bow first. If
conditions are benign, this won't present any particular problem. If
you get a strong wind from any quadrant against the forward sections,
maintaining control when getting out of the slip could be pretty
challenging- unless you have a bow thruster. The problem is that if
the bow blows off while your stern and therefore all your steering is
still confined in the narrow "slot" of the slip you can't do much to
correct it. If you go out stern first and there's a wind you will have
two advantages; first the stern is heavier and at least until you
reach the superstructure normally has less windage than the bow and
second you can make correcting moves much earlier in the process----no
need to wait until the boat is almost entirely clear of the slip to
move the stern to port or starboard and redirect theheading of the
bow.

At our local Fisherman's Terminal, 90% of the small commercial fish
boats are single screws and 90% of them seem to come into the dock bow
first. A lot of theslips don't even have finger piers- but the guys
bring the boats in bow first and climb over the bow and down to the
dock rather than screw around trying to back in. Gotta be some sort
of
object lesson there, I'd think.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


By the way, unless you're med mooring or at some rendezvous or other
gathering where you want your aft deck and transom up to the central
float or pier, there's a very good case to be made for going into the
slip bow first, especially with a single screw.



At the home port (Kingman) I *do* go in bow first because there's no reason
to do otherwise and, like you said, it's a heck of a lot easier. Backing
out is not a problem because it has a hydraulic stern thruster (but no bow
thruster).

The problem at the temporary slip in Scituate is that the finger-slips are
much shorter and, if bow in, they don't extend far enough to get aboard
without climbing under a rail. The GB has three rail "flip ups" (one port,
one starboard and one on the transom rail) but the side ones are too far
back towards the stern to be reached on the short finger pier at Scituate.

Besides ... learning to back this thing up accurately is a new skill to
master.
I used to think a single I/O was difficult. This is much more of a
challenge.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:27 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW .... Wayne ...

The former owner of Mrs.E's boat ended up buying a 1990 GB 49 footer with
twins.
It's not high powered ... 15 kt cruise ... but it's a thing of beauty. He
spent all last winter traveling the southern hemisphere in it and recently
returned to Kingman for a short haul and cleaning before traveling off
again.

Cool.

15 kts *is* high powered compared to ours. We can cruise at 10.5 kts
when we need to but it's much more fuel efficient in the 8.5 to 9
range.

What kind of engines does he have?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:27 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW .... Wayne ...

The former owner of Mrs.E's boat ended up buying a 1990 GB 49 footer with
twins.
It's not high powered ... 15 kt cruise ... but it's a thing of beauty. He
spent all last winter traveling the southern hemisphere in it and recently
returned to Kingman for a short haul and cleaning before traveling off
again.

Cool.

15 kts *is* high powered compared to ours. We can cruise at 10.5 kts
when we need to but it's much more fuel efficient in the 8.5 to 9
range.



What's the breeze like at 8.5 knots? :}

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On Jun 11, 12:12?pm, HK wrote:


What's the breeze like at 8.5 knots? :}

Natural man, natural.

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:12:47 -0400, HK wrote:

What's the breeze like at 8.5 knots? :}

Pretty nice actually. The flybridge is almost always comfortable in
good weather, the only exception being downwind in light air on a
really hot day. We sometimes run a fan in those conditions or retreat
to the air conditioned comfort of the lower helm.

How's the breeze inside the pilot house of your Parker?

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:29:17 -0400, "JimH"
wrote:

Not bad.

BTW: Another great day on the water. ;-)


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$2.88/gallon.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:12:47 -0400, HK wrote:

What's the breeze like at 8.5 knots? :}

Pretty nice actually. The flybridge is almost always comfortable in
good weather, the only exception being downwind in light air on a
really hot day. We sometimes run a fan in those conditions or retreat
to the air conditioned comfort of the lower helm.

How's the breeze inside the pilot house of your Parker?


Great. Got two fans, plus an opening windshield and two opening side
windows, plus the cabin door, plus an opening hatch up forward and two
side ports. Lots of airflow, even when it is dead calm.