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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

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"RCE" wrote in message
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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch


To which side is the captain leaning? 8)

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"RCE" wrote in message
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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch


It depend whether or not JohnH be at the helm.

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"JimH" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch


It depend whether or not JohnH be at the helm.


Oops..........*will* be at the helm. ;-)

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:48:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch


left

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:39:24 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"RCE" wrote in message
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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch


To which side is the captain leaning? 8)


Duck, here is some info on 'countersteering' from Wikipedia.

"Lean by countersteering

When riding a bicycle or a motorcycle, countersteering is a method of
initiating a turn by a small, momentary turn of the front wheel, usually
via the handlebars, in the opposite (counter) direction. Like the book
example above, this moves the pivot point (the wheels' contact patches) out
from under the center of mass to establish the lean angle for a turn. While
necessary at all speeds, the need to countersteer becomes more noticeable
as speed increases.

Hence, if a rider wants to turn to the right, he first throws the bike off
balance by momentarily pointing the front wheel slightly to the left. The
center of mass of the bike plus rider will continue in a straight line, but
the contact patches of the tires move to the left with respect to this
straight line."

Note, it applies to motorcycles and bicycles.

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On Jun 1, 4:48?pm, "RCE" wrote:
Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Depends on how long the boat is.

May not go anywhere considering engines are at idle

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 1, 4:48?pm, "RCE" wrote:
Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Depends on how long the boat is.

May not go anywhere considering engines are at idle


Oh, it will move.

I posed the question poorly. Better questions a

Which way will the bow move?
Which way will the stern move?

Eisboch

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On Jun 1, 7:06?pm, "RCE" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Jun 1, 4:48?pm, "RCE" wrote:
Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Depends on how long the boat is.

May not go anywhere considering engines are at idle

Oh, it will move.

I posed the question poorly. Better questions a

Which way will the bow move?
Which way will the stern move?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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OK, well then, I must have posted my answer poorly. If it's moored
bow first in a slip it probably won't go anywhere

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 1, 4:48?pm, "RCE" wrote:
Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Depends on how long the boat is.

May not go anywhere considering engines are at idle


Oh, it will move.

I posed the question poorly. Better questions a

Which way will the bow move?
Which way will the stern move?

Eisboch


With the rudder in the neutral position the boat would pivot to port.

With the rudder hard port one may think the boat may tend to move even more
aggressively (bow) to port.........but the correct answer will probably be
the bow moving to starboard. ;-)

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"RCE" wrote in message
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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Being that you are slightly right leaning and have lost a significant amount
of weight and your thrusters don't work, your boat will crab to port as long
as you don't sneeze while facing to port or fart while facing to stbd.

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"Jim" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"RCE" wrote in message
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Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Being that you are slightly right leaning and have lost a significant
amount of weight and your thrusters don't work, your boat will crab to
port as long as you don't sneeze while facing to port or fart while facing
to stbd.


Bingo!

(It will move sideways)

Eisboch

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:48:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

I KNOW - I KNOW!!!

Sideways.

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On Jun 1, 5:35?pm, "RCE" wrote:


Bingo!

(It will move sideways)

Eisboch

In some cases, yes.

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"JimH" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 1, 4:48?pm, "RCE" wrote:
Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering
a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Depends on how long the boat is.

May not go anywhere considering engines are at idle


Oh, it will move.

I posed the question poorly. Better questions a

Which way will the bow move?
Which way will the stern move?

Eisboch


With the rudder in the neutral position the boat would pivot to port.

With the rudder hard port one may think the boat may tend to move even
more aggressively (bow) to port....


After seeing Jim's answer you have to understand that I *meant* to say "tend
to move even less aggressively to port".......and "walking" port to
starboard.......

Yeah, that's the ticket!

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On Jun 1, 7:52 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 1, 4:48?pm, "RCE" wrote:
Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering
a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

Eisboch

Depends on how long the boat is.

May not go anywhere considering engines are at idle

Oh, it will move.

I posed the question poorly. Better questions a

Which way will the bow move?
Which way will the stern move?

Eisboch

With the rudder in the neutral position the boat would pivot to port.

With the rudder hard port one may think the boat may tend to move even
more aggressively (bow) to port....

After seeing Jim's answer you have to understand that I *meant* to say "tend
to move even less aggressively to port".......and "walking" port to
starboard.......

Yeah, that's the ticket!- Hide quoted text -

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But, it will still hit the side of the slip......

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:48:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Ok. Now that we all understand and agree on the mechanics of steering a
motorcycle, let's consider this situation.

Twin screw inboard.
No wind.
Little or no current.

Helm hard over to port.
Starboard engine at idle
Starboard transmission in "forward".

Port engine at idle
Port transmission in "reverse".

Which way will the boat move?

I KNOW - I KNOW!!!

Sideways.

Downwards? Crashed in to the dock, received a holing?