A motorized Grin
 

"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an open
mind.

Eisboch

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RCE wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:52:40 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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http://www.imz-ural.com/products/


I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.
At $7K.. why would you buy that bike over a Honda Shadow 600cc or 900 cc??

The Ural has been around for a long time. I think Harry was joking about
buying one. They are not considered very reliable, and look very crude up
close. The castings are miserable.

They have an interesting history:

http://www.ural-motorcycles.com/index.php?history


Speaking of BMW motorcycles, two weeks ago I traded in my '02 Harley
UltraClassic. I seriously considered a BMW K 1200 LT touring bike to
replace it. It's a beautiful machine, but I just couldn't handle the "Euro"
styling and the fact that it was damn near silent when running.

Ended up with a new, '07 Harley UltraClassic. Bigger engine this year
(96ci) and new, six speed transmission. Very smooth and silky compared to
the older one.

And .... I bought American!

Eisboch




If I were buying a motorcycle, I'd go for a BMW F800ST. Comfy seats, not
too heavy, handles nicely, and is certainly fast enough for me. Oh. Quiet.

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"HK" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:52:40 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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http://www.imz-ural.com/products/


I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.
At $7K.. why would you buy that bike over a Honda Shadow 600cc or 900
cc??

The Ural has been around for a long time. I think Harry was joking about
buying one. They are not considered very reliable, and look very crude
up
close. The castings are miserable.

They have an interesting history:

http://www.ural-motorcycles.com/index.php?history


Speaking of BMW motorcycles, two weeks ago I traded in my '02 Harley
UltraClassic. I seriously considered a BMW K 1200 LT touring bike to
replace it. It's a beautiful machine, but I just couldn't handle the
"Euro" styling and the fact that it was damn near silent when running.

Ended up with a new, '07 Harley UltraClassic. Bigger engine this year
(96ci) and new, six speed transmission. Very smooth and silky compared
to the older one.

And .... I bought American!

Eisboch


If I were buying a motorcycle, I'd go for a BMW F800ST. Comfy seats, not
too heavy, handles nicely, and is certainly fast enough for me. Oh. Quiet.

BMW builds some magnificent machines. Someday, perhaps, but right now I
still like the Harley. It won't be too long before the days of big,
air-cooled twins is over. Meeting emission requirements is becoming more
and more difficult. Right now I think the only water cooled Harley is the
V-Rod, but I think that will soon have to change.

Eisboch

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RCE wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:52:40 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/


I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.
At $7K.. why would you buy that bike over a Honda Shadow 600cc or 900
cc??

The Ural has been around for a long time. I think Harry was joking about
buying one. They are not considered very reliable, and look very crude
up
close. The castings are miserable.

They have an interesting history:

http://www.ural-motorcycles.com/index.php?history

Speaking of BMW motorcycles, two weeks ago I traded in my '02 Harley
UltraClassic. I seriously considered a BMW K 1200 LT touring bike to
replace it. It's a beautiful machine, but I just couldn't handle the
"Euro" styling and the fact that it was damn near silent when running.

Ended up with a new, '07 Harley UltraClassic. Bigger engine this year
(96ci) and new, six speed transmission. Very smooth and silky compared
to the older one.

And .... I bought American!

Eisboch

If I were buying a motorcycle, I'd go for a BMW F800ST. Comfy seats, not
too heavy, handles nicely, and is certainly fast enough for me. Oh. Quiet.

BMW builds some magnificent machines. Someday, perhaps, but right now I
still like the Harley. It won't be too long before the days of big,
air-cooled twins is over. Meeting emission requirements is becoming more
and more difficult. Right now I think the only water cooled Harley is the
V-Rod, but I think that will soon have to change.

Eisboch




I like the V-Rod, but I prefer lighter motorcycles. Even when I was
riding them, I liked the lighter ones. My first motorcycle was a Honda
Dream, and then I graduated to a SuperHawk. 250 and then 305 cc. Nice
motorcycles.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is
yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

Normal for who?

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:07:33 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike (motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about 20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is
yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an
open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

Normal for who?


LOL. JohnH is still trying to spin away.

A normal riding speed on a bicycle is less than 15 mph. Push forward on
the left side of the handlebar and you turn right...pull down and you turn
left.

Bicycles.......not motorcycles. Got it John?

End of discussion.

I win. ;-)

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:07:33 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike (motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about 20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

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"HK" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:52:40 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/


I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.
At $7K.. why would you buy that bike over a Honda Shadow 600cc or 900
cc??

The Ural has been around for a long time. I think Harry was joking
about
buying one. They are not considered very reliable, and look very crude
up
close. The castings are miserable.

They have an interesting history:

http://www.ural-motorcycles.com/index.php?history

Speaking of BMW motorcycles, two weeks ago I traded in my '02 Harley
UltraClassic. I seriously considered a BMW K 1200 LT touring bike to
replace it. It's a beautiful machine, but I just couldn't handle the
"Euro" styling and the fact that it was damn near silent when running.

Ended up with a new, '07 Harley UltraClassic. Bigger engine this year
(96ci) and new, six speed transmission. Very smooth and silky compared
to the older one.

And .... I bought American!

Eisboch

If I were buying a motorcycle, I'd go for a BMW F800ST. Comfy seats, not
too heavy, handles nicely, and is certainly fast enough for me. Oh.
Quiet.

BMW builds some magnificent machines. Someday, perhaps, but right now I
still like the Harley. It won't be too long before the days of big,
air-cooled twins is over. Meeting emission requirements is becoming
more and more difficult. Right now I think the only water cooled
Harley is the V-Rod, but I think that will soon have to change.

Eisboch


I like the V-Rod, but I prefer lighter motorcycles. Even when I was riding
them, I liked the lighter ones. My first motorcycle was a Honda Dream, and
then I graduated to a SuperHawk. 250 and then 305 cc. Nice motorcycles.

A 305 Honda SuperHawk was my first motorcycle. I had it out in Zion, Il.
and rode it summer, winter and fall, mainly because I couldn't afford gas
for the car (about 38 cents a gal. then.)

Hey, guess what? To make a horse turn to the right, you give him a kick on
his left side. You would logically think you would kick the side you want
him to turn to. So, horses are as screwed up as motorcycles.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:15:26 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:52:40 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/


I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

At $7K.. why would you buy that bike over a Honda Shadow 600cc or 900 cc??


The Ural has been around for a long time. I think Harry was joking about
buying one. They are not considered very reliable, and look very crude up
close. The castings are miserable.

They have an interesting history:

http://www.ural-motorcycles.com/index.php?history


Speaking of BMW motorcycles, two weeks ago I traded in my '02 Harley
UltraClassic. I seriously considered a BMW K 1200 LT touring bike to
replace it. It's a beautiful machine, but I just couldn't handle the "Euro"
styling and the fact that it was damn near silent when running.

Ended up with a new, '07 Harley UltraClassic. Bigger engine this year
(96ci) and new, six speed transmission. Very smooth and silky compared to
the older one.

And .... I bought American!

Eisboch


Cool! My brother in Winston-Salem has a fairly new Road King Classic.
Beautiful bike with a great paint job. Harley's aren't my cup of tea
because they're not great in the curves. If I were to get rid of the Moto
Guzzi, '89 Mille GT, I'd probably go the Honda ST1300 route. I've been
hearing too many horror stories about customer support from new Guzzi
owners.