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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On 29 May 2007 19:01:50 -0700, Joe wrote:

On May 29, 6:03 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
Found in cruising
forum.http://photos.sfsurvey.com/sail1/imagepages/image1.asp

This is the
thread:http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...lling-with-dis...

Very good photos and interesting thread.
But I won't mention it to my wife (-:

--Vic

What I hear is it was a stupid spot to be. Looking at the boat you
can tell he does not take sailing or boating seriously. Another
weekend warrior who learned the hard way.

The results sure bear that out.

As for wifes viewing, I would show it to your wife a dozen times and
instill in her that this is what happens if you are not sure of where
you are sailing. (flying pig take note)

You're probably right. I'll rethink that.

But I understand your concerns Vic, as all you see on TV or film of
sailing 99% of the time is disasters and rough conditions...Lets face
it, smooth sailing is boring on TV or the internet.

I'm having fun reading some logs of cruisers, and smooth sailing is
nice when well-described. You know, porpoises jumping around the
boat, the watermaker breaking down, dinghy stolen, finding a lot of
water in the bilge, diesel fuel leaking, watermaker breaking down,
halyard snapping, porpoises jumping around the boat.
Those porpoises are cute as hell. Wonder how they taste.
Just kidding.

--Vic



Do you sail in the area? If not, then the "facts" are a bit different. I
take it you've never made a mistake.


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On May 29, 10:34 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

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On 29 May 2007 19:01:50 -0700, Joe wrote:

On May 29, 6:03 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
Found in cruising
forum.http://photos.sfsurvey.com/sail1/imagepages/image1.asp

This is the
thread:http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...lling-with-dis...

Very good photos and interesting thread.
But I won't mention it to my wife (-:

--Vic

What I hear is it was a stupid spot to be. Looking at the boat you
can tell he does not take sailing or boating seriously. Another
weekend warrior who learned the hard way.

The results sure bear that out.

As for wifes viewing, I would show it to your wife a dozen times and
instill in her that this is what happens if you are not sure of where
you are sailing. (flying pig take note)

You're probably right. I'll rethink that.

But I understand your concerns Vic, as all you see on TV or film of
sailing 99% of the time is disasters and rough conditions...Lets face
it, smooth sailing is boring on TV or the internet.

I'm having fun reading some logs of cruisers, and smooth sailing is
nice when well-described. You know, porpoises jumping around the
boat, the watermaker breaking down, dinghy stolen, finding a lot of
water in the bilge, diesel fuel leaking, watermaker breaking down,
halyard snapping, porpoises jumping around the boat.
Those porpoises are cute as hell. Wonder how they taste.
Just kidding.

--Vic

Do you sail in the area? If not, then the "facts" are a bit different. I
take it you've never made a mistake.

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We all make mistakes Jon. Weekend warriors make more than someone
like you with a licence who should know better. You have a licences to
learn and it seem you would just toss his stupity to making a mistake
that we all could make.

Lets look at the photos.

Is that his boat? Yes

Is that a proper bottom job, or half assed at best?

Is he clearly sailing near shore ...where during rip currents or tides
waves tend to build and roll?

Is he outside the channel through the bridge in a area that has to be
shallow due to bridge supports and shore?

Did he sail into a washing machine and not tack out of a surf?

Did he turn into the ditch in a rolling surf and capsize?

Could he have surfed the boat and turned out after the roller ?

Was he paying attention?

I can think of another 5 stupid things he did...can you?

And you call yourself Capt ?

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 29, 10:34 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Do you sail in the area? If not, then the "facts" are a bit different. I
take it you've never made a mistake.


We all make mistakes Jon. Weekend warriors make more than someone
like you with a licence who should know better. You have a licences to
learn and it seem you would just toss his stupity to making a mistake
that we all could make.

Nevertheless, we all do make mistakes. So did the guy in charge of the Exxon
Valdez. Some are more serious than others. BTW, the boat was recovered with
minor damage.

Lets look at the photos.

Is that his boat? Yes

Is that a proper bottom job, or half assed at best?

It doesn't look that bad, especially given when it was hauled and painted
last, but in any case, that has little to do with seamanship.


Is he clearly sailing near shore ...where during rip currents or tides
waves tend to build and roll?

You've just described a good portion of the bay.

Is he outside the channel through the bridge in a area that has to be
shallow due to bridge supports and shore?

Yup.. outside the channel, which is perfectly reasonable in most conditions,
in an aread that many, many people sail, which isn't actually that shallow.

Did he sail into a washing machine and not tack out of a surf?

Yup.. the mistake.

Did he turn into the ditch in a rolling surf and capsize?

Could he have surfed the boat and turned out after the roller ?

Doubtful. Who knows. I don't know anyone who can make the claim to be able
to do it in those conditions.

Was he paying attention?

Nope. Again, the mistake.

I can think of another 5 stupid things he did...can you?

Good for you. Can you think of things he did right?

And you call yourself Capt ?

Feel free to insult me if you think that makes you look better.


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On May 29, 11:57 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

On May 29, 10:34 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Do you sail in the area? If not, then the "facts" are a bit different. I
take it you've never made a mistake.

We all make mistakes Jon. Weekend warriors make more than someone
like you with a licence who should know better. You have a licences to
learn and it seem you would just toss his stupity to making a mistake
that we all could make.

Nevertheless, we all do make mistakes. So did the guy in charge of the Exxon
Valdez. Some are more serious than others. BTW, the boat was recovered with
minor damage.

Lets look at the photos.

Is that his boat? Yes

Is that a proper bottom job, or half assed at best?

It doesn't look that bad, especially given when it was hauled and painted
last, but in any case, that has little to do with seamanship.

Maintaining a boat is number one for seamanship. A squared away ship
is always safer than a negelected ship.



Is he clearly sailing near shore ...where during rip currents or tides
waves tend to build and roll?

You've just described a good portion of the bay.

Then a good portion of the bay should be avoided by sailors in small
sailboats..right?

Is he outside the channel through the bridge in a area that has to be
shallow due to bridge supports and shore?

Yup.. outside the channel, which is perfectly reasonable in most conditions,
in an aread that many, many people sail, which isn't actually that shallow.

Shallow enough to produce rollers

Did he sail into a washing machine and not tack out of a surf?

Yup.. the mistake.

Did he turn into the ditch in a rolling surf and capsize?

Could he have surfed the boat and turned out after the roller ?

Doubtful. Who knows. I don't know anyone who can make the claim to be able
to do it in those conditions.

Was he paying attention?

Nope. Again, the mistake.

I can think of another 5 stupid things he did...can you?

Good for you. Can you think of things he did right?

Waited for a surfer to rescue him, sailed alone, wearing bright
colored clothes

And you call yourself Capt ?

Feel free to insult me if you think that makes you look better.

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"j" ganz

hEY DUMBKALPH. I could care less about looking better or insulting
you.

He's lucky not to be dead or missing a limb.

Joe

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"Gogarty" wrote in message
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Looks to me like a classic inlet-running attempt that went badly awry.



Something like that. As I've said, this area is perfectly passable,
depending on conditions of course.

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Nevertheless, we all do make mistakes. So did the guy in charge of the
Exxon
Valdez. Some are more serious than others. BTW, the boat was recovered
with
minor damage.

Lets look at the photos.

Is that his boat? Yes

Is that a proper bottom job, or half assed at best?

It doesn't look that bad, especially given when it was hauled and painted
last, but in any case, that has little to do with seamanship.

Maintaining a boat is number one for seamanship. A squared away ship
is always safer than a negelected ship.

And, it was well-maintained except for your notion that the bottom needed to
be hauled before the next season.


Is he clearly sailing near shore ...where during rip currents or tides
waves tend to build and roll?

You've just described a good portion of the bay.

Then a good portion of the bay should be avoided by sailors in small
sailboats..right?

I strongly suggest you don't sail out here, because that's what I would
recommend for you. g

Is he outside the channel through the bridge in a area that has to be
shallow due to bridge supports and shore?

Yup.. outside the channel, which is perfectly reasonable in most
conditions,
in an aread that many, many people sail, which isn't actually that
shallow.

Shallow enough to produce rollers

So?

Did he sail into a washing machine and not tack out of a surf?

Yup.. the mistake.

Did he turn into the ditch in a rolling surf and capsize?

Could he have surfed the boat and turned out after the roller ?

Doubtful. Who knows. I don't know anyone who can make the claim to be
able
to do it in those conditions.

Was he paying attention?

Nope. Again, the mistake.

I can think of another 5 stupid things he did...can you?

Good for you. Can you think of things he did right?

Waited for a surfer to rescue him, sailed alone, wearing bright
colored clothes

Nope. Wrong. He had crew. Duhh... look at the pictures again.

And you call yourself Capt ?

Feel free to insult me if you think that makes you look better.

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"j" ganz

hEY DUMBKALPH. I could care less about looking better or insulting
you.

Clearly you do care. You're still trying.

He's lucky not to be dead or missing a limb.

Yes, he's lucky.


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www.sailnow.com

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Yes, he's lucky.

Yikes, pictures like that belong in the dictionary next to the
definition of "bad day." Living on the east coast and having only
driven over the Golden Gate, I have no idea what this place really
looks like. But my question is this, why would someone choose to
enter the bay between the south bridge pier and so close to the
shore? The presence of surfers suggests that this is a spot know of
consistent breaking waves. Its easy to say so from the comfort of my
office, that it seems I would never want to enter the bay that way,
perhaps staying in deeper water and away from the breakers. Are there
locals who might comment? I have come in through Sebastian Inlet in
Florida lots of times, another place the surfers love, and there have
been a lot of times when the inlet looked deceptively smooth when
looking in from the outside. But Sebastian is a mean ol critter, has
eaten its fair share of boats, and I wouldnt trust it when its flat
and glassy.

I am sorry the guy lost his boat, and grateful that was all that
appears to have been lost.

take care . . .

John

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On Tue, 29 May 2007 23:33:53 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 29 May 2007 21:28:50 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I'm having fun reading some logs of cruisers, and smooth sailing is
nice when well-described. You know, porpoises jumping around the
boat, the watermaker breaking down, dinghy stolen, finding a lot of
water in the bilge, diesel fuel leaking, watermaker breaking down,
halyard snapping, porpoises jumping around the boat.
Those porpoises are cute as hell.

Wonder how they taste.

About like eagle and manatee.

Some have said the the definition of cruising is "fixing things in
interesting places". Sounds about right to me, and yes, jumping
porpoises are always interesting.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OgD0t1NidF4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHhfr3buOw

I saw those. Nice.
Got any of the watermaker?

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"John" wrote in message
ups.com...
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Yes, he's lucky.

Yikes, pictures like that belong in the dictionary next to the
definition of "bad day." Living on the east coast and having only
driven over the Golden Gate, I have no idea what this place really
looks like. But my question is this, why would someone choose to
enter the bay between the south bridge pier and so close to the
shore? The presence of surfers suggests that this is a spot know of
consistent breaking waves. Its easy to say so from the comfort of my
office, that it seems I would never want to enter the bay that way,
perhaps staying in deeper water and away from the breakers. Are there
locals who might comment? I have come in through Sebastian Inlet in
Florida lots of times, another place the surfers love, and there have
been a lot of times when the inlet looked deceptively smooth when
looking in from the outside. But Sebastian is a mean ol critter, has
eaten its fair share of boats, and I wouldnt trust it when its flat
and glassy.

It can be perfectly passable, and I've sailed there many times, including
big boats such as a B39 and with my old Cal 20. Obviously, the skipper made
a huge mistake. Interestingly, he didn't lose his boat. It was recovered
with minimal damage beyond the rigging, refloated, and continues to sail.

I am sorry the guy lost his boat, and grateful that was all that
appears to have been lost.

take care . . .

John




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Interestingly, he didn't lose his boat. It was recovered
with minimal damage beyond the rigging, refloated, and continues to sail.


Kind of like the saying amongst pilots:
Any landing that you can walk away from is a good one . . .
any landing that you can use the plane again is a great one.

Take care . . .

John