An interesting little gas factoid...
 

I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.

Apparently, ethanol is heavier than gasoline. In normal conditions, a
gasoline delivery truck carries 13,200 gallons of gasoline.

With ethanol, they can only deliver 11,000 gallons at a time because
of the extra weight.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.

Apparently, ethanol is heavier than gasoline. In normal conditions, a
gasoline delivery truck carries 13,200 gallons of gasoline.

With ethanol, they can only deliver 11,000 gallons at a time because
of the extra weight.

%%^$&%! Now you've gone and given the oil companies another excuse to raise
the price.
We don't get ethanol around here but that doesn't matter........any excuse
will do.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.
JR
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.

Apparently, ethanol is heavier than gasoline. In normal conditions, a
gasoline delivery truck carries 13,200 gallons of gasoline.

With ethanol, they can only deliver 11,000 gallons at a time because
of the extra weight.


--
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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
I

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

JR North wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.
JR

1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs. depending on the blend.

The truck is legal with a max 79,200 lb. load(13,200 gal. nominal).

79,200 lbs. of pure ethanol would be 12,018 gallons(6.59 lbs./gal.).

More than that, & the truck would be outlawed.

The driver is off by about 1,000 gallons is all. That extra 6600 lbs.
could land him a citation & get his CDL pulled, though, if he's right
about the max load on his truck.

If the gas tanker is rated for a full load of 13,200 gallons though,
that would be a 85,800 lb. load with the heaviest of gas blends. 13,200
gal. of pure ethanol is only ~1200 lbs. more.

It would be unusual for a load of E85 to weigh more than the max
capacity of the truck. Worst case scenario loaded w/ 13,200 gal. of E85
the load would weigh 85,978 lbs. using the heaviest 6.5 lb./gal. for the
gas.

Rob


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.

Apparently, ethanol is heavier than gasoline. In normal conditions, a
gasoline delivery truck carries 13,200 gallons of gasoline.

With ethanol, they can only deliver 11,000 gallons at a time because
of the extra weight.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:22:46 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

JR North wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.
JR

1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs. depending on the blend.

The truck is legal with a max 79,200 lb. load(13,200 gal. nominal).

79,200 lbs. of pure ethanol would be 12,018 gallons(6.59 lbs./gal.).

More than that, & the truck would be outlawed.

The driver is off by about 1,000 gallons is all. That extra 6600 lbs.
could land him a citation & get his CDL pulled, though, if he's right
about the max load on his truck.

If the gas tanker is rated for a full load of 13,200 gallons though,
that would be a 85,800 lb. load with the heaviest of gas blends. 13,200
gal. of pure ethanol is only ~1200 lbs. more.

It would be unusual for a load of E85 to weigh more than the max
capacity of the truck. Worst case scenario loaded w/ 13,200 gal. of E85
the load would weigh 85,978 lbs. using the heaviest 6.5 lb./gal. for the
gas.

I just read that again because, as usual, people here will argue about
anything. :)

He drives a gasoline truck. The ethanol blend gasoline is heavier
than the normal load of straight gasoline.

He used to deliver 13,200 gallons of straight gasoline. He now
carries 11,000 gallons of ethanol blend gasoline.

Jeesum pete.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:22:46 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

JR North wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.
JR
1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs. depending on the blend.

The truck is legal with a max 79,200 lb. load(13,200 gal. nominal).

79,200 lbs. of pure ethanol would be 12,018 gallons(6.59 lbs./gal.).

More than that, & the truck would be outlawed.

The driver is off by about 1,000 gallons is all. That extra 6600 lbs.
could land him a citation & get his CDL pulled, though, if he's right
about the max load on his truck.

If the gas tanker is rated for a full load of 13,200 gallons though,
that would be a 85,800 lb. load with the heaviest of gas blends. 13,200
gal. of pure ethanol is only ~1200 lbs. more.

It would be unusual for a load of E85 to weigh more than the max
capacity of the truck. Worst case scenario loaded w/ 13,200 gal. of E85
the load would weigh 85,978 lbs. using the heaviest 6.5 lb./gal. for the
gas.

I just read that again because, as usual, people here will argue about
anything. :)

He drives a gasoline truck. The ethanol blend gasoline is heavier
than the normal load of straight gasoline.

He used to deliver 13,200 gallons of straight gasoline. He now
carries 11,000 gallons of ethanol blend gasoline.

Jeesum pete.

Additionally, I used figures for E15 on my E85 calculations, so the
weight difference is more than I stated.

Rob

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...


E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.

Rob

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:00:14 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...


E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.

I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

And it ain't gonna be pretty. :)

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:00:14 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...


E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.

I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

And it ain't gonna be pretty. :)


Did anyone see the recent news article about ethanol? Seems it may be
worse for our health and the environment than gas.

And!

You heard it here first, folks.

Global warming is over. Another cycle of global cooling is setting in.
Just watch the reports over the next few months.

Eisboch

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:00:14 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...


E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.

I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

And it ain't gonna be pretty. :)


Did anyone see the recent news article about ethanol? Seems it may be
worse for our health and the environment than gas.

And!

You heard it here first, folks.

Global warming is over. Another cycle of global cooling is setting in.
Just watch the reports over the next few months.

Eisboch


But.......but.........but......but................ .save me Lord, the world
is about to end once again..................Global
cooling...................we will all freeze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

On Sun, 20 May 2007 09:32:58 -0700, JR North
wrote:

This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.

The weight might depend on the aggregate components.
Just a guess.

--Vic

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...


Did anyone see the recent news article about ethanol? Seems it may be
worse for our health and the environment than gas.

And!

You heard it here first, folks.

Global warming is over. Another cycle of global cooling is setting in.
Just watch the reports over the next few months.

Eisboch

In some ways that would make more sense. All the polution thrown up into
the atmosphere by gas guzzling oversized SUVs plus those coal fired electric
plants
has to be reflecting sunlight back into space.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:37:38 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:00:14 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...


E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.

I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

And it ain't gonna be pretty. :)

Did anyone see the recent news article about ethanol? Seems it may be
worse for our health and the environment than gas.

And!

You heard it here first, folks.

Global warming is over. Another cycle of global cooling is setting in.
Just watch the reports over the next few months.

I just read one of my newsletters and it appears that the "consensus"
is falling apart with some of the scientists Al quoted in his movie
now saying that he's taken facts and science out of context.

Heh...

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:37:38 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:00:14 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.

And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...

E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.
I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

And it ain't gonna be pretty. :)
Did anyone see the recent news article about ethanol? Seems it may be
worse for our health and the environment than gas.

And!

You heard it here first, folks.

Global warming is over. Another cycle of global cooling is setting in.
Just watch the reports over the next few months.

I just read one of my newsletters and it appears that the "consensus"
is falling apart with some of the scientists Al quoted in his movie
now saying that he's taken facts and science out of context.

Heh...


That wouldn't surprise me, not from one of your newsletters. Is that
from the same publisher who says the connection between smoking and lung
cancer is tenuous? :}

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

On Mon, 21 May 2007 00:09:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

some of the scientists Al quoted in his movie
now saying that he's taken facts and science out of context.

Shocking, absolutely shocking.

How could the guy who invented the internet do such a thing.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 09:32:58 -0700, JR North
wrote:

This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.

The weight might depend on the aggregate components.
Just a guess.

--Vic

Truck weight limit.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

I just read that again because, as usual, people here will argue about
anything. :)

Man, aint that the truth!

He used to deliver 13,200 gallons of straight gasoline. He now
carries 11,000 gallons of ethanol blend gasoline.

Simply stated (I thought you already had), 11,000 gallons of ethonol blend
weighs about the same as 13,200 gallons of no ethanol gas. Truckers move
product by weight, not volume.

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:22:46 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

JR North wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. If the truck can only carry LESS ethanol by
WEIGHT than gasoline, it's because the ethanol is LESS dense, and
therefore occupies more volume per unit. With a full load of ethanol,
the truck is 'full', but only has the equivalent 'weight' of 11,000
gallons of gasoline.
JR

1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs. depending on the blend.

The truck is legal with a max 79,200 lb. load(13,200 gal. nominal).

79,200 lbs. of pure ethanol would be 12,018 gallons(6.59 lbs./gal.).

More than that, & the truck would be outlawed.

The driver is off by about 1,000 gallons is all. That extra 6600 lbs.
could land him a citation & get his CDL pulled, though, if he's right
about the max load on his truck.

If the gas tanker is rated for a full load of 13,200 gallons though,
that would be a 85,800 lb. load with the heaviest of gas blends. 13,200
gal. of pure ethanol is only ~1200 lbs. more.

It would be unusual for a load of E85 to weigh more than the max
capacity of the truck. Worst case scenario loaded w/ 13,200 gal. of E85
the load would weigh 85,978 lbs. using the heaviest 6.5 lb./gal. for the
gas.

I just read that again because, as usual, people here will argue about
anything. :)

He drives a gasoline truck. The ethanol blend gasoline is heavier
than the normal load of straight gasoline.

He used to deliver 13,200 gallons of straight gasoline. He now
carries 11,000 gallons of ethanol blend gasoline.

Jeesum pete.

An interesting little gas factoid...
 

I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

LOL! The price of cornflakes is already about 500% more than what it costs
to produce. One of the biggest moneymakers of any company. I buy 'em too.
;-(

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:00:14 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

bowgus wrote:
On May 20, 6:39 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I was just down getting coffee for the wife and guests from the local
coffee shop and there was a driver there from a local gas delivery
company. We got to chatting while I was waiting for the coffee and
pastry order and found this out.


And here's another interesting factoid. A vehicle burning E85 gets 2/3
the mileage of the same vehicle burning gas. Go here and look up e.g.
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee (there are others, same story) which shows
both ... http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ Now that's not something you see
on those E85 billboards ...


E85 will have to be 70% or less of the going price of gas at the pump to
get anyone interested in buying it en masse.

I'll tell you what - if the price of my Corn Flakes goes up because of
ethanol, there is going to be war.

And it ain't gonna be pretty. :)