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by brand name. The following material is only suitable for an adult audience. If your world will come to an end upon reading about any first hand experience with a boating product, please proceed to the next thread. Thanks. Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap It doesn't take very long to go around the block, a couple of times, when it comes to boat soaps and cleaners. We are so constantly assailed by claims of "miracle this" and "breakthrough that" that it is easy to become extremely skeptical of grandiose claims made by the purveyors of soaps and cleansers of every type. Readers of this publication will be aware that a current editorial theme is the real-world disconnect between official edicts that proscribe the use of detergents and other chemicals and the practical need to keep our boats clean. We received an enormous amount of public comment following our initial editorial, "Back Away From the Boat Soap, And Keep Both Hands in the Air!" Among those who called or emailed was a Mr. Nix., the newly appointed local distributor for a brand of boat soap made in Vermont. "You should tell your readers about our soap," said Nix. "It's 100% USDA certified organic, it doesn't pollute, doesn't make suds, doesn't consume oxygen in the water, and doesn't contain phosphates or nitrates or petroleum distillates." After a few previous trips around the block, I couldn't help thinking, "One of the unmentioned 'doesn'ts' is probably that it doesn't work very well." Being intellectually and editorially curious, however, I accepted Mr. Nix's offer to try a free sample of his product. He left a 32-ounce bottle for me to pick up at Ray Rairdon's Yacht Sales, and I called for it the following day. My sample was a red, white, and blue trigger spray bottle labeled, "Super Strength Cleaner. Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap. The World's only certified organic boat soap. Chemical free. Non-toxic. Biodegradable. Phosphate and nitrate free. Non-polluting. Safely Cleans Everything on Board" Frankly, I thought that sounded like a lot of fancy claims, and general experience has established that the broader and more elaborate the claims made by a soap or cleanser manufacturer the more disappointing the results were likely to be. A week before Memorial Day, I took advantage of the opportunity to try the Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap. My most optimistic expectations were that this non-detergent, non-phosphate organic product might work about as well as the high phosphate, detergent-based "biodegradable" boat soap I normally used when washing my boat. I must report that the product did not meet my most optimistic expectations- it blew so far past them that I wouldn't have believed the results if I hadn't experienced them firsthand. I began by reading the instructions on the bottle, followed them a little bit, and then ignored them entirely. "Directions: Shake well. Wet surface to be cleaned. Spray on Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap. Spread over surface. Wait a couple of minutes to let Latitude 43 do the work for you. Lightly scrub with pad or brush. Rinse thoroughly with fresh water." Nix had additionally emphasized the importance of shaking the bottle before use, and I did. I then hosed down "Indulgence" with a fresh water rinse, flushing away some of the loosest crud and grime in the process. My ultimate plan was to dilute the 32 ounces of Latitude 43 into three gallons of water and use it as a general boat soap, but first I had a couple of difficult cleaning challenges in mind that would require following the manufacturer's directions more specifically. Spider Poo and Masking Goo: One of the downsides of "covered moorage" is spider dung. Spiders not only eat flies, mosquitoes, and anything else they can catch in a web but they also digest the bugs and finally are forced to "do" what all animals do when a meal has made its course through the digestive system. Smart alecks have suggested that "covered moorage" means that your boat will soon enough be covered- and spider poo is one of the more stubborn stains to remove. The high acid content of a spider's stomach can actually penetrate gelcoat or paint if spider droppings are left to molder on a boat. Following last summer's paint job, I moved back into covered moorage and have become reacquainted with the specific challenges of cleaning up after spiders living the rafters. I thought I'd put the Latitude 43 cleaner to what had to be an ultimate test, the removal of spider dung. During the rinse down, I noticed a few little round black spots on the brow above the pilothouse windows. Spiders had left calling cards there, and the spots would need to be removed. I sprayed some Latitude 43 cleaner directly on the spider droppings, and then waited a couple of minutes to see what might result. I have used a lot of elbow grease and cleaner wax for this process in the past, so I had a good deal of respect for the tenacity of a spider stain. I was amazed to see the spider spot quite literally "melting" away, with a small stream of black goo beginning to run down the angled surface of the brow. I blasted the area a few minutes later with a second rinse-down of fresh water, and the spider droppings disappeared entirely. Results initially appeared to be a little less spectacular on some dirty spots atop the main cabin. I had masked around some teak handrails when building up the varnish on brightwork during late summer and fall months. There was no way to know when the masking tape was initially removed that some of the adhesive had transferred from the tape to the paint, but as the transferred adhesive began filling up with dirt over the next couple of months it was very easy to see just exactly where the adhesive spots were located. Prior attacks with a soapy brush had left the dirty goo in place, and I was expecting to have to spend a couple of hours very carefully scraping up the dirty goo with a single-edge razor blade. The technique that worked so well on the spider droppings didn't appear to be working on the masking goo. After spraying the dirty adhesive spots and letting the Latitude 43 work for a few minutes I sprayed the areas involved with fresh water and didn't note any specific results. I experimented with pushing at a spot of adhesive with my bare finger, and discovered that it lifted away the underlying paint with ease. In a matter of several minutes I managed to finger- scrub all of the adhesive spots off the cabin top, without running any risk of damaging the paint with a tedious scraping process involving a razor blade. General washdown: Assuming that my direct sprays on the spider poo and masking goo used a couple of ounces of Latitude 43 organic boat soap, I had about 30 ounces left to pour into my 4 gallon wash bucket. I added about two and a half gallons of water, and worried that might be too much as Mr. Nix had recommended diluting it "about 3 to 1" when using it as a general wash solution. My normal wash tool is a lamb's wool pad that interchanges with a boat hook on the end of an aluminum extension pole. I never scrub very aggressively when cleaning the hull or superstructure. Shortly after I began "soaping" down the cabin top, the nylon gizmo that connects the lambs wool to the extension pole came loose and refused to be refastened. I wound up doing a wash job that was pretty up close and personal, with lamb's wool pad in hand for most of the process. Using Latitude 43 is a decidedly different experience from using most boat soaps. There are virtually no suds at all, (so there is nothing to alert environmental tattle tales that any substance other than water is being used to clean a boat). One of the more difficult surfaces to clean, in my opinion, is a nonskid deck. The cabin top and boat deck of my boat have a non-skid finish, and a single pass with the lamb's wool pad dipped into the diluted Latitude 43 cleaned the nonskid down to the paint. Dirt that had been collecting for months was gone, gone, gone. The smooth surfaces cleaned up almost instantly. Dirt seemed to all but disappear when with a single brush of the lamb's wool pad. There was far less rubbing and scrubbing involved than with a traditional detergent based soap product. One unexpected result of the wash down was the ability of the Latitude 43 to clean metal parts. There are several bronze portlights and hawse fittings on my boat, and all have developed a traditional "green" patina. With only a slight amount of rubbing with the lamb's wool, much of the patina was removed by the diluted cleaner. I suspect that a full-strength application would prove very useful in cleaning and polishing bronze. In reasonably short order, my boat was cleaner that at any time since I picked it up from the paint shop last July 3. This stuff works, and works extremely well. I still had about half a gallon of diluted material in the bucket, so I could have washed our 36-foot boat with something less than 32-ounces of soap. What's in it? So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The ingredients sound a lot like something that could be sold for bubble bath, if only it made any noticeable amount of soap bubbles. You could probably drink a bottle and survive, although it might be wise not to wander too far away from the head should you decide to conduct such an experiment. About the only unexpected side effect is a not-so- unpleasant citrus smell surrounding the boat after it is washed, (fortunately boats are all "she's" so there is no gender oriented embarrassment). Oh, and since I wound up hand washing the boat with the lamb's wool pad my hands also have a sort of perfumed smell to them; and quite likely haven't been this surgically clean since I was born. Boaters concerned about the possible environmental effects of traditional soaps and cleaners, (as well as anybody interesting in having a fabulously clean boat) might want to consider trying a bottle of Latitude 43. It is available at 1-888-43lat43 or online at www.lat43.com. After using up my sample bottle, I will most definitely be a regular customer for this product. |
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On 19 May 2007 19:10:13 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: I began by reading the instructions on the bottle, followed them a little bit, and then ignored them entirely. Wow. You mean I'm not the only one who does that? Cool... |
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On 19 May 2007 19:10:13 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. Sounds like a salad dressing. I'm buying some to use on the Ranger. It better be good or you will never hear the end of it. :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 May 2007 19:10:13 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. Sounds like a salad dressing. I'm buying some to use on the Ranger. It better be good or you will never hear the end of it. :) Isn't that the boat with the windup motor? :?} |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
:What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". |
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"David Scheidt" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: :What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". But it is organic..............like Tofu..............ahaaaahhhhuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm. |
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Let us know how it is on your salad as well!
--Mike "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 19 May 2007 19:10:13 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. Sounds like a salad dressing. I'm buying some to use on the Ranger. It better be good or you will never hear the end of it. :) |
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Nice write-up Chuck. However, I always have a problem with anything that has
to tout organic, organic, organic. Just a pet peeve. Since I'm a trailer guy, I just wash my boat with the same stuff I wash my truck. I'm just lucky I guess. I sure hope that stuff keeps the soap police off of your backs! --Mike "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ps.com... Warning for those hyper sensitive to any mention of a boating product by brand name. The following material is only suitable for an adult audience. If your world will come to an end upon reading about any first hand experience with a boating product, please proceed to the next thread. Thanks. Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap It doesn't take very long to go around the block, a couple of times, when it comes to boat soaps and cleaners. We are so constantly assailed by claims of "miracle this" and "breakthrough that" that it is easy to become extremely skeptical of grandiose claims made by the purveyors of soaps and cleansers of every type. Readers of this publication will be aware that a current editorial theme is the real-world disconnect between official edicts that proscribe the use of detergents and other chemicals and the practical need to keep our boats clean. We received an enormous amount of public comment following our initial editorial, "Back Away From the Boat Soap, And Keep Both Hands in the Air!" Among those who called or emailed was a Mr. Nix., the newly appointed local distributor for a brand of boat soap made in Vermont. "You should tell your readers about our soap," said Nix. "It's 100% USDA certified organic, it doesn't pollute, doesn't make suds, doesn't consume oxygen in the water, and doesn't contain phosphates or nitrates or petroleum distillates." After a few previous trips around the block, I couldn't help thinking, "One of the unmentioned 'doesn'ts' is probably that it doesn't work very well." Being intellectually and editorially curious, however, I accepted Mr. Nix's offer to try a free sample of his product. He left a 32-ounce bottle for me to pick up at Ray Rairdon's Yacht Sales, and I called for it the following day. My sample was a red, white, and blue trigger spray bottle labeled, "Super Strength Cleaner. Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap. The World's only certified organic boat soap. Chemical free. Non-toxic. Biodegradable. Phosphate and nitrate free. Non-polluting. Safely Cleans Everything on Board" Frankly, I thought that sounded like a lot of fancy claims, and general experience has established that the broader and more elaborate the claims made by a soap or cleanser manufacturer the more disappointing the results were likely to be. A week before Memorial Day, I took advantage of the opportunity to try the Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap. My most optimistic expectations were that this non-detergent, non-phosphate organic product might work about as well as the high phosphate, detergent-based "biodegradable" boat soap I normally used when washing my boat. I must report that the product did not meet my most optimistic expectations- it blew so far past them that I wouldn't have believed the results if I hadn't experienced them firsthand. I began by reading the instructions on the bottle, followed them a little bit, and then ignored them entirely. "Directions: Shake well. Wet surface to be cleaned. Spray on Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap. Spread over surface. Wait a couple of minutes to let Latitude 43 do the work for you. Lightly scrub with pad or brush. Rinse thoroughly with fresh water." Nix had additionally emphasized the importance of shaking the bottle before use, and I did. I then hosed down "Indulgence" with a fresh water rinse, flushing away some of the loosest crud and grime in the process. My ultimate plan was to dilute the 32 ounces of Latitude 43 into three gallons of water and use it as a general boat soap, but first I had a couple of difficult cleaning challenges in mind that would require following the manufacturer's directions more specifically. Spider Poo and Masking Goo: One of the downsides of "covered moorage" is spider dung. Spiders not only eat flies, mosquitoes, and anything else they can catch in a web but they also digest the bugs and finally are forced to "do" what all animals do when a meal has made its course through the digestive system. Smart alecks have suggested that "covered moorage" means that your boat will soon enough be covered- and spider poo is one of the more stubborn stains to remove. The high acid content of a spider's stomach can actually penetrate gelcoat or paint if spider droppings are left to molder on a boat. Following last summer's paint job, I moved back into covered moorage and have become reacquainted with the specific challenges of cleaning up after spiders living the rafters. I thought I'd put the Latitude 43 cleaner to what had to be an ultimate test, the removal of spider dung. During the rinse down, I noticed a few little round black spots on the brow above the pilothouse windows. Spiders had left calling cards there, and the spots would need to be removed. I sprayed some Latitude 43 cleaner directly on the spider droppings, and then waited a couple of minutes to see what might result. I have used a lot of elbow grease and cleaner wax for this process in the past, so I had a good deal of respect for the tenacity of a spider stain. I was amazed to see the spider spot quite literally "melting" away, with a small stream of black goo beginning to run down the angled surface of the brow. I blasted the area a few minutes later with a second rinse-down of fresh water, and the spider droppings disappeared entirely. Results initially appeared to be a little less spectacular on some dirty spots atop the main cabin. I had masked around some teak handrails when building up the varnish on brightwork during late summer and fall months. There was no way to know when the masking tape was initially removed that some of the adhesive had transferred from the tape to the paint, but as the transferred adhesive began filling up with dirt over the next couple of months it was very easy to see just exactly where the adhesive spots were located. Prior attacks with a soapy brush had left the dirty goo in place, and I was expecting to have to spend a couple of hours very carefully scraping up the dirty goo with a single-edge razor blade. The technique that worked so well on the spider droppings didn't appear to be working on the masking goo. After spraying the dirty adhesive spots and letting the Latitude 43 work for a few minutes I sprayed the areas involved with fresh water and didn't note any specific results. I experimented with pushing at a spot of adhesive with my bare finger, and discovered that it lifted away the underlying paint with ease. In a matter of several minutes I managed to finger- scrub all of the adhesive spots off the cabin top, without running any risk of damaging the paint with a tedious scraping process involving a razor blade. General washdown: Assuming that my direct sprays on the spider poo and masking goo used a couple of ounces of Latitude 43 organic boat soap, I had about 30 ounces left to pour into my 4 gallon wash bucket. I added about two and a half gallons of water, and worried that might be too much as Mr. Nix had recommended diluting it "about 3 to 1" when using it as a general wash solution. My normal wash tool is a lamb's wool pad that interchanges with a boat hook on the end of an aluminum extension pole. I never scrub very aggressively when cleaning the hull or superstructure. Shortly after I began "soaping" down the cabin top, the nylon gizmo that connects the lambs wool to the extension pole came loose and refused to be refastened. I wound up doing a wash job that was pretty up close and personal, with lamb's wool pad in hand for most of the process. Using Latitude 43 is a decidedly different experience from using most boat soaps. There are virtually no suds at all, (so there is nothing to alert environmental tattle tales that any substance other than water is being used to clean a boat). One of the more difficult surfaces to clean, in my opinion, is a nonskid deck. The cabin top and boat deck of my boat have a non-skid finish, and a single pass with the lamb's wool pad dipped into the diluted Latitude 43 cleaned the nonskid down to the paint. Dirt that had been collecting for months was gone, gone, gone. The smooth surfaces cleaned up almost instantly. Dirt seemed to all but disappear when with a single brush of the lamb's wool pad. There was far less rubbing and scrubbing involved than with a traditional detergent based soap product. One unexpected result of the wash down was the ability of the Latitude 43 to clean metal parts. There are several bronze portlights and hawse fittings on my boat, and all have developed a traditional "green" patina. With only a slight amount of rubbing with the lamb's wool, much of the patina was removed by the diluted cleaner. I suspect that a full-strength application would prove very useful in cleaning and polishing bronze. In reasonably short order, my boat was cleaner that at any time since I picked it up from the paint shop last July 3. This stuff works, and works extremely well. I still had about half a gallon of diluted material in the bucket, so I could have washed our 36-foot boat with something less than 32-ounces of soap. What's in it? So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The ingredients sound a lot like something that could be sold for bubble bath, if only it made any noticeable amount of soap bubbles. You could probably drink a bottle and survive, although it might be wise not to wander too far away from the head should you decide to conduct such an experiment. About the only unexpected side effect is a not-so- unpleasant citrus smell surrounding the boat after it is washed, (fortunately boats are all "she's" so there is no gender oriented embarrassment). Oh, and since I wound up hand washing the boat with the lamb's wool pad my hands also have a sort of perfumed smell to them; and quite likely haven't been this surgically clean since I was born. Boaters concerned about the possible environmental effects of traditional soaps and cleaners, (as well as anybody interesting in having a fabulously clean boat) might want to consider trying a bottle of Latitude 43. It is available at 1-888-43lat43 or online at www.lat43.com. After using up my sample bottle, I will most definitely be a regular customer for this product. |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 22:55:26 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 19 May 2007 19:10:13 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. Sounds like a salad dressing. I'm buying some to use on the Ranger. It better be good or you will never hear the end of it. :) Isn't that the boat with the windup motor? :?} No - that would any boat with a Yamaha. I nparticular Yamaha four chokes. |
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When long chain fatty acids are 'saponified'in a strong alkali solution,
the result is 'soap', which is the alkali salt of acids of the natural fats. Therefore, the 'saponified coconut oil' forms the alkali base of the cleaner. JR David Scheidt wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: :What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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On May 19, 7:51 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 19 May 2007 19:10:13 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. Sounds like a salad dressing. I'm buying some to use on the Ranger. It better be good or you will never hear the end of it. :) If you get the same sort of results I did, you'll be very pleased. It's nice to be able to use a cleaner that is environmentally friendly *and* does a good job. With your interest in conservation, etc, it isn't surprising that you would want to try this out. |
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On May 19, 8:03 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: :What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Yes indeed, but not "detergent," and there's nothing petroleum based. Even the so-called "biodegradable" boat washes use a lot of petroleum products. As the name of the product is "Latitude 43 Organic Boat Soap", one could realistically expect to find some soap in there someplace. I'm scheduled to call a guy next week who is one of the enforcement officers with the city's Department of Public Utilities and also has a degree in chemistry. I have a second-hand report that he has done an analysis on this specific stuff and was very pleased and surprised at what he *didn't* find in it. I need to verify this report by speaking to him directly, but it doesn't require a chemist to see that this stuff is different from most other cleaners. If nothing else, the lack of suds is remarkable- and the results are first class. |
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On May 20, 4:40 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Yes indeed, but not "detergent," It cleans, so by definition it's detergent. The claim to not consume oxygen in the water is ridiculous. |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:20:32 -0700, "Mike" wrote:
I sure hope that stuff keeps the soap police off of your backs! If there are no visible suds in the water that will do a lot to ward off evil spirits. One of my pet peeves with Simple Green is the enormous amount of suds that it generates. |
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On May 20, 4:21 pm, wrote:
On May 20, 4:40 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Yes indeed, but not "detergent," It cleans, so by definition it's detergent. The claim to not consume oxygen in the water is ridiculous. I believe that the oxygen claim is based on the fact that there aren't any nitrates or phosphates in the formula. Nitrogen and phosphorous are two of the primary ingredients in commercial fertilizer, and when introduced to the water can promote "algae blooms". As I understand it, when the algae finishes blooming and dies the decomposing organic matter depletes oxygen in the water. You define all soap products as detergents? (just curious) |
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On May 19, 11:03 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: :What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any liquid could be called "soap" |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On 21 May 2007 11:20:16 -0700, basskisser wrote: Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any liquid could be called "soap" I don't know where your definition of soap came from, but all of the definitions of soap I have ever read include verbiage to the effect "....made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of natural oils and fats...." or "...metallic salt of a fatty acid..." So, I don't think any conclusion drawn that "almost any liquid could be called "soap"" could possibly be correct. I'll drink a schnapps whiskey to that! -- Charlie |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On 21 May 2007 11:20:16 -0700, basskisser wrote: On May 19, 11:03 pm, David Scheidt wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: :What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any liquid could be called "soap" I don't know where your definition of soap came from, but all of the definitions of soap I have ever read include verbiage to the effect "....made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of natural oils and fats...." or "...metallic salt of a fatty acid..." So, I don't think any conclusion drawn that "almost any liquid could be called "soap"" could possibly be correct. -- I wonder if he washes his dishes, clothes or cars with acetone, maple syrup, paint, orange juice, gasoline, etc............. ;-) |
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On May 21, 8:56 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Yes indeed, but not "detergent," It cleans, so by definition it's detergent. The claim to not consume oxygen in the water is ridiculous. I believe that the oxygen claim is based on the fact that there aren't any nitrates or phosphates in the formula. Nitrogen and phosphorous are two of the primary ingredients in commercial fertilizer, and when introduced to the water can promote "algae blooms". As I understand it, when the algae finishes blooming and dies the decomposing organic matter depletes oxygen in the water. True, and in that sense a small amount of limiting nutrient could lead eventually to a larger depletion of oxygen. But then they should just say it doesn't contain P or N, because clearly soap has calories and does have to consume oxygen to be broken down. You define all soap products as detergents? (just curious) No, I define all, and only, CLEANING products as detergents. A soap product is a detergent if it's for cleaning. (Some soap products are used for other purposes, such as lubrication.) Sand is a detergent if it's used for cleaning. See also http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/suds/terminol.html .. However, the term is commonly MISused to indicate specifically soapless but soaplike detergents, and even for surfactants with no significant cleaning properties. Robert |
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On May 21, 11:25 am, wrote:
I'd think it would be really hard, today, to find any real soaps in use. No, it's extremely easy. Almost all the products in groceries shelved as bar soaps have soaps as their only detergent ingredients. |
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On May 21, 6:42 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On 21 May 2007 11:20:16 -0700, basskisser wrote: On May 19, 11:03 pm, David Scheidt wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: :What's in it? :So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no :detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work? :According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic, :saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic :vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe :vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap". Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any liquid could be called "soap" I don't know where your definition of soap came from, but all of the definitions of soap I have ever read include verbiage to the effect "....made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of natural oils and fats...." or "...metallic salt of a fatty acid..." So, I don't think any conclusion drawn that "almost any liquid could be called "soap"" could possibly be correct. -- I wonder if he washes his dishes, clothes or cars with acetone, maple syrup, paint, orange juice, gasoline, etc............. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Damn you ARE just plain stupid, aren't you? Acetone cleans many things, as does gasoline, and orange juice. Ever tried to paint over something with grease on it? It will take the grease off, in a surfacant type action, so yes, even that! Enough, you won't get it, you're just too dumb. |
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On May 21, 2:20 pm, basskisser wrote:
Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfactant, But that's not a really GOOD definition, just a colloquial one, for either term. For instance, the Charlie's soap site explains that it got that name colloquially and retains it from familiarity. Hard to beat a 4 letter word. Also be aware that in Index Medicus (NLM) and in some other medical contexts, the contraction "surfactant" applies specifically to PULMONARY surfactant, while "surface active agent" retains the more general meaning. There are also some soaps that aren't very soapy and, practically, aren't surfactants at all. For instance, a dietary supplement might supply potassium as potassium acetate, which technically is a soap but has no useful amount of surface activity. Robert |
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On 22 May 2007 09:34:44 -0700, basskisser wrote:
Damn you ARE just plain stupid, aren't you? Another brilliant and enlightening contribution from the Man from Bass. |
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On 22 May 2007 09:15:39 -0700, wrote:
You define all soap products as detergents? (just curious) No, I define all, and only, CLEANING products as detergents. A soap product is a detergent if it's for cleaning. (Some soap products are used for other purposes, such as lubrication.) Sand is a detergent if it's used for cleaning. See also http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/suds/terminol.html . However, the term is commonly MISused to indicate specifically soapless but soaplike detergents, and even for surfactants with no significant cleaning properties. So if I read that correctly, plain water or sand blasting agents can be called detergents? |
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I'll drink a schnapps whiskey to that!
Hic.... --Mike "Charlie" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On 21 May 2007 11:20:16 -0700, basskisser wrote: Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any liquid could be called "soap" I don't know where your definition of soap came from, but all of the definitions of soap I have ever read include verbiage to the effect "....made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of natural oils and fats...." or "...metallic salt of a fatty acid..." So, I don't think any conclusion drawn that "almost any liquid could be called "soap"" could possibly be correct. I'll drink a schnapps whiskey to that! -- Charlie |
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