Boating Accident
 

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat owner
and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a boating course is
necessary........
TomC

Boating Accident
 

TomC wrote:
http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat owner
and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a boating course is
necessary........
TomC



A rigorous boating safety/practical skills course, followed by an exam,
should be mandatory for anyone who wants to operate a boat.

Boating Accident
 

Harry Krause wrote in article
.. .
TomC wrote:
http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner
and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a boating
course is
necessary........
TomC



A rigorous boating safety/practical skills course, followed by an exam,
should be mandatory for anyone who wants to operate a boat.


I'm a novice owner and took the USCG course in Boating Skills and
Seamanship. At the time, I thought it was too intensive, but I'm glad we
(wife and I) took it. Even at that, the course didn't provide any "on the
water" practical experience. But, having prior knowledge of "some" of the
things that can go wrong helped tremendously. The first season (last year)
was interesting. I didn't mess the boat up too bad. ;-)
TomC

Boating Accident
 

"TomC" wrote in
st.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC


I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

Boating Accident
 

On May 1, 4:35 pm, Ron wrote:
"TomC" wrote cast.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC

I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

Boating Accident
 

On 1 May 2007 14:03:48 -0700, wrote:

On May 1, 4:35 pm, Ron wrote:
"TomC" wrote cast.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC

I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

Oh yeah - that's a real problem for guys not familiar with it.

Do you live in CT? I'm up in the NE corner.

Boating Accident
 

On May 1, 5:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 14:03:48 -0700, wrote:





On May 1, 4:35 pm, Ron wrote:
"TomC" wrote cast.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC

I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

Oh yeah - that's a real problem for guys not familiar with it.

Do you live in CT? I'm up in the NE corner.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, just northeast of Hartford. Out 84 a little for now. Have a small
place down near the shore, but we are up here taking care of my dad
for a few, hopefully many years! There's no frekin' water up here
though! Used to having it 5 minutes down the road.

Boating Accident
 

On May 1, 5:03 pm, wrote:


There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

I think they call it a lowhead dam. But the thing sucks bodies up and
it is one hell of a job to get them out. I have not boated up that far
on the river so I don't know how it is marked. I guess most know it's
there, but either get lost, or impared.

Boating Accident
 

On 1 May 2007 15:34:01 -0700, wrote:

On May 1, 5:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 14:03:48 -0700, wrote:





On May 1, 4:35 pm, Ron wrote:
"TomC" wrote cast.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC

I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

Oh yeah - that's a real problem for guys not familiar with it.

Do you live in CT? I'm up in the NE corner.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, just northeast of Hartford. Out 84 a little for now. Have a small
place down near the shore, but we are up here taking care of my dad
for a few, hopefully many years! There's no frekin' water up here
though! Used to having it 5 minutes down the road.

Oh wow - I'm not far at all.

We'll have to hook up for lunch in the near future. Know where Rein's
is?

Boating Accident
 

On May 1, 6:46 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 15:34:01 -0700, wrote:





On May 1, 5:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 14:03:48 -0700, wrote:

On May 1, 4:35 pm, Ron wrote:
"TomC" wrote cast.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC

I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

Oh yeah - that's a real problem for guys not familiar with it.

Do you live in CT? I'm up in the NE corner.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, just northeast of Hartford. Out 84 a little for now. Have a small
place down near the shore, but we are up here taking care of my dad
for a few, hopefully many years! There's no frekin' water up here
though! Used to having it 5 minutes down the road.

Oh wow - I'm not far at all.

We'll have to hook up for lunch in the near future. Know where Rein's
is?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think I remember, Vernon?

Boating Accident
 

On May 1, 6:47 pm, wrote:

I think I remember, Vernon?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Could take it off list if you email me at

Boating Accident
 

On 1 May 2007 15:47:51 -0700, wrote:

On May 1, 6:46 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 15:34:01 -0700, wrote:





On May 1, 5:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 14:03:48 -0700, wrote:

On May 1, 4:35 pm, Ron wrote:
"TomC" wrote cast.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC

I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?

There is a low bulkhead dam (forgot what they call them) in Enfield CT
that has claimed many lives in my memory. Don't know about recently
but I can remember several incidents over the years.

Oh yeah - that's a real problem for guys not familiar with it.

Do you live in CT? I'm up in the NE corner.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, just northeast of Hartford. Out 84 a little for now. Have a small
place down near the shore, but we are up here taking care of my dad
for a few, hopefully many years! There's no frekin' water up here
though! Used to having it 5 minutes down the road.

Oh wow - I'm not far at all.

We'll have to hook up for lunch in the near future. Know where Rein's
is?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think I remember, Vernon?

Yep - we'll set something up soon.

Boating Accident
 

Ron wrote in article
...
"TomC" wrote in
st.net.:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a
boating course is necessary........
TomC


I looked up info on the dam, found some images of the dam,
looks like no beacons or markers on it or much warning of the edge.
I see by the report they knew of the dam,
but others may not, is that common ?


http://www.pplweb.com/holtwood/thing...nd+hunting.htm
Uh, this is not a small dam so it's kinda hard to miss. The Susquehanna
River is a large and sometimes fast moving body of water. There are three
major hydroelectric plants/dams on the lower part of the river and caution
needs to be used when boating/fishing/recreating near them. I haven't
boated on this part of the river yet, but plan to do so this season after I
do some additional research on the area; and in particular, boating
hazards.
TomC

Boating Accident
 

Harry Krause wrote:
TomC wrote:

http://yorkdailyrecord.com/newsfull/ci_5791744
Don't know all the particulars; apparently, a new inexperienced boat
owner
and passengers. How tragic. So, if somebody asks you if a boating
course is
necessary........
TomC



A rigorous boating safety/practical skills course, followed by an exam,
should be mandatory for anyone who wants to operate a boat.

Indeed - and certainly not one of those quickie one day courses some
organizations give, but the real thing like United States Power
Squadron's 8 week Boating course.

I still don't get it. To drive a car here in New York (and most places)
one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test. To operate
a power boat, which is far more complicated than driving a car, all
anyone over 18 needs are the keys. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Congrats to New
Jersey, Connecticut and several other states that now require mandatory
boater education (although its too bad that they only require the basic
8 hour course - hardly enough). Now its time for all the other states
to jump in.

And to the old timers who say they've been boating all their lives and
don't need any safe boating course, and least take a NASBLA approved
test to see what you know/don't know. Hell, if you can spend 2 days
waxing your boat and every weekend off fishing, you can spend an hour to
take test. If you pass, great. If you fail, well, stop whining and
take the course.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

ps: Here's a test question a lot of stubborn old timers don't get: Are
there ever instances when a power boat has priority over a sail boat?
If so, what are they?

Boating Accident
 

On Thu, 03 May 2007 13:46:52 -0400, Larry Weiss
wrote:

Here's a test question a lot of stubborn old timers don't get: Are
there ever instances when a power boat has priority over a sail boat?
If so, what are they?

In a channel and constrained by draft.

Overtaken by sail.

Commercial fishing with trawls or nets.

Boating Accident
 

A rigorous boating safety/practical skills course, followed by an exam,
should be mandatory for anyone who wants to operate a boat.

Indeed - and certainly not one of those quickie one day courses some
organizations give, but the real thing like United States Power
Squadron's 8 week Boating course.

I still don't get it. To drive a car here in New York (and most places)
one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test.

Wow! Seriously? Not to be dense, but in PA and WV you just have to
pass the written test (to get your learner's permit) and pass the road
test. Maybe that doesn't happen for some without a class, but I never
took a class and neither of my children took a class before getting
their licenses. Both kids studied the little state driving manual
before taking the written test (which any goof could pass) and I
certainly spent a lot of time with them in the car teaching them how
to drive before they took the road test, but that wasn't required and
certainly no classes were required. Both kids later took driver's ed
at their high school in order to get the insurance deduction from
State Farm, but it seemed silly since they had been driving a year
before taking it.

Dave Hall

Boating Accident
 

I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)
one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test.

All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass a
permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There is no
required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of any other
state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

--
Stan

Boating Accident
 

Charlie Morgan wrote in
:

On Thu, 03 May 2007 16:01:33 -0400, "Stan (the Man)"
wrote:

I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)
one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test.

All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass a
permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There is no
required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of any other
state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

Most states require drivers education courses for applicants under a
certain age.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#drivingage

Yes, NY included. But, the statement I was responding to was not talking
about drivers under a certain age. I was addressing that statement. It was
incorrect.

--
Stan

Boating Accident
 

Charlie Morgan wrote in
:

On Thu, 03 May 2007 23:01:06 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote in
m:

On Thu, 03 May 2007 16:01:33 -0400, "Stan (the Man)"
wrote:

I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)
one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including
classroom training, on road training, a written test and a road
test.

All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass
a permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There
is no required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of
any other state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

Most states require drivers education courses for applicants under a
certain age.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#drivingage

Yes, NY included. But, the statement I was responding to was not
talking about drivers under a certain age. I was addressing that
statement. It was incorrect.

If that's what you need to feel better about yourself, then fine.

Excuse me? I was simply replying to a post in a converstaional manner,
correcting a misstatement. I apologize if I violated some protocol.

--
Stan

Boating Accident
 

Stan (the Man) wrote:
I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)

one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test.


All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass a
permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There is no
required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of any other
state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

--
Stan

Not true.

The following is excerpted from New York State Department of Motor
Vehicles "New Drivers" Web page in its list of requirements for
obtaining a license:

"Attend a mandatory pre-licensing course or complete a high school or
college driver education course. Most commercial driving schools
licensed by the DMV offer the DMV-approved pre-licensing course. Look in
the telephone directory under "Driving Instruction."

"When you complete the course, you receive a pre-licensing course
certificate (MV-278). You must provide the certificate number when you
schedule your road test. You must also show the certificate to the road
test examiner on the day of your road test."

The complete text can be found he
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#newdrivers

This rule has been in effect for at least 35 years that I am aware of.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After"

Boating Accident
 

Larry Weiss wrote in
:

Stan (the Man) wrote:
I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)

one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test.


All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass
a permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There is
no required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of any
other state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

--
Stan

Not true.

The following is excerpted from New York State Department of Motor
Vehicles "New Drivers" Web page in its list of requirements for
obtaining a license:

"Attend a mandatory pre-licensing course or complete a high school or
college driver education course. Most commercial driving schools
licensed by the DMV offer the DMV-approved pre-licensing course. Look
in the telephone directory under "Driving Instruction."

"When you complete the course, you receive a pre-licensing course
certificate (MV-278). You must provide the certificate number when you
schedule your road test. You must also show the certificate to the
road test examiner on the day of your road test."

The complete text can be found he
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#newdrivers

This rule has been in effect for at least 35 years that I am aware of.

And, it only applies to those who wish to obtain their license at 17 yrs
of age. Anyone 18 yrs of age or older need only meet the requirements I
noted.

--
Stan

Boating Accident
 

Stan (the Man) wrote:
Larry Weiss wrote in
:


Stan (the Man) wrote:

I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)


one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including classroom
training, on road training, a written test and a road test.


All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass
a permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There is
no required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of any
other state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

--
Stan

Not true.

The following is excerpted from New York State Department of Motor
Vehicles "New Drivers" Web page in its list of requirements for
obtaining a license:

"Attend a mandatory pre-licensing course or complete a high school or
college driver education course. Most commercial driving schools
licensed by the DMV offer the DMV-approved pre-licensing course. Look
in the telephone directory under "Driving Instruction."

"When you complete the course, you receive a pre-licensing course
certificate (MV-278). You must provide the certificate number when you
schedule your road test. You must also show the certificate to the
road test examiner on the day of your road test."

The complete text can be found he
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#newdrivers

This rule has been in effect for at least 35 years that I am aware of.


And, it only applies to those who wish to obtain their license at 17 yrs
of age. Anyone 18 yrs of age or older need only meet the requirements I
noted.

--
Stan


You may know something that I and many others are not aware of. Please
cite the source of this information.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

Boating Accident
 

Gene Kearns wrote in
:

On Sat, 05 May 2007 11:13:40 GMT, Stan (the Man) penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Larry Weiss wrote in
:

Stan (the Man) wrote:
I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)

one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including
classroom training, on road training, a written test and a road
test.


All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to
pass a permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test.
There is no required class room or road training. And, I'm not
aware of any other state that requires more than that for a
driver's license.

--
Stan

Not true.

The following is excerpted from New York State Department of Motor
Vehicles "New Drivers" Web page in its list of requirements for
obtaining a license:

"Attend a mandatory pre-licensing course or complete a high school
or college driver education course. Most commercial driving schools
licensed by the DMV offer the DMV-approved pre-licensing course.
Look in the telephone directory under "Driving Instruction."

"When you complete the course, you receive a pre-licensing course
certificate (MV-278). You must provide the certificate number when
you schedule your road test. You must also show the certificate to
the road test examiner on the day of your road test."

The complete text can be found he
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#newdrivers

This rule has been in effect for at least 35 years that I am aware
of.

And, it only applies to those who wish to obtain their license at 17
yrs of age. Anyone 18 yrs of age or older need only meet the
requirements I noted.

Here's mo
http://www.dmv.org/drivers-ed.php

Huh. Live and learn. I was wrong.

--
Stan

Boating Accident
 

Larry Weiss wrote in
:

Stan (the Man) wrote:
Larry Weiss wrote in
:


Stan (the Man) wrote:

I don't know who wrote:

To drive a car here in New York (and most places)


one must go through a hefty licensing procedure including
classroom training, on road training, a written test and a road
test.


All that's required to get a license to drive a car in NY is to pass
a permit test that only an idiot could fail and a road test. There
is no required class room or road training. And, I'm not aware of
any other state that requires more than that for a driver's license.

--
Stan

Not true.

The following is excerpted from New York State Department of Motor
Vehicles "New Drivers" Web page in its list of requirements for
obtaining a license:

"Attend a mandatory pre-licensing course or complete a high school or
college driver education course. Most commercial driving schools
licensed by the DMV offer the DMV-approved pre-licensing course. Look
in the telephone directory under "Driving Instruction."

"When you complete the course, you receive a pre-licensing course
certificate (MV-278). You must provide the certificate number when
you schedule your road test. You must also show the certificate to
the road test examiner on the day of your road test."

The complete text can be found he
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm#newdrivers

This rule has been in effect for at least 35 years that I am aware
of.


And, it only applies to those who wish to obtain their license at 17
yrs of age. Anyone 18 yrs of age or older need only meet the
requirements I noted.

--
Stan


You may know something that I and many others are not aware of.
Please cite the source of this information.

32 yrs as a cop in NY and the NY DMV booklet. But, it appears I was
wrong. Although, the prelicensing course hasn't been in effect for 35
yrs, as neither my wife nor one of my daughters needed it for their
license. But, as I posted to Gene Kearns, live and learn.

--
Stan