Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to make
this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and at/near
their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the advances in
tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless water heaters are
also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to make
this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and at/near
their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the advances in
tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless water heaters are
also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?




As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply a
steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and
at/near their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the
advances in tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless
water heaters are also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?


As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply a
steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.toolbase.org/pdf/techinv/...s_techspec.pdf

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and
at/near their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the
advances in tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless
water heaters are also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?

As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply a
steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.toolbase.org/pdf/techinv/...s_techspec.pdf




Yeah, I know how they work. But I don't see how they supply a steady
stream of hot water, especially for an active household with several
appliances running and someone in the tub or shower.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and
at/near their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the
advances in tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless
water heaters are also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?


As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply a
steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

They heat water "on demand" . Cold water passes through a gas fired burned,
with the Bosch 2400E capable of supplying 6 gpm of hot water, reportedly
capable of satisfying 2 showers simultaneously. Electronic ignition. No
standing pilot. Vents to the outside. No water being heater when none is
being called for, vs. a hot water tank which always keep the water hot, even
when there is no demand for the hot water.

http://www.cpotanklesswaterheaters.c.../2400e-ng.html

These units have been used in Europe for years.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and
at/near their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the
advances in tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless
water heaters are also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?


As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply a
steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

They heat water "on demand" . Cold water passes through a gas fired
burner, with the Bosch 2400E capable of supplying 6 gpm of hot water,
reportedly capable of satisfying 2 showers simultaneously. Electronic
ignition. No standing pilot. Vents to the outside. No water being
heated when none is being called for, vs. a hot water tank which always
keep the water hot, even when there is no demand for the hot water.

http://www.cpotanklesswaterheaters.c.../2400e-ng.html

These units have been used in Europe for years.


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Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and
at/near their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with
the advances in tankless water heater technology. Many of these
tankless water heaters are also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2
showers simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?

As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply a
steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.toolbase.org/pdf/techinv/...s_techspec.pdf


Yeah, I know how they work. But I don't see how they supply a steady
stream of hot water, especially for an active household with several
appliances running and someone in the tub or shower.

Of course they have limitations. Unit size determines how many, and how
voluminous the stream(s) a particular unit will support.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Yeah, I know how they work. But I don't see how they supply a steady
stream of hot water.....................

That's because you're an English major.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 17, 6:05?am, "JimH" wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to make
this on topic.


Yeah. There's a real obvious relationship between satellite signals
and a hot water tank.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:05:18 -0400, JimH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make
this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and at/near
their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the advances
in
tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless water heaters
are
also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?


I looked into this, but cannot, yet, justify it. A good system is
QUITE pricey. My personal take is that gas is the only way to go....
unless you have a LOT of extra ampacity in your electric supply (150A
or more).

Thus, the system is a big radiator, in reverse, that accepts BTU from
a gas flame (think either venting or exterior installation) and
transfers the heat to the water passing through the "radiator" on to
the hot water system. It only heats water on demand... except exterior
units have an ability to assure that the unit doesn't freeze in very
cold weather. Most of this is controlled by new fangled solid state
circuitry, which on some units is the Achilles heel. Frankly, that
doesn't have to be so, because my Dad said one of these units was in
his boarding house in Newport News when he lived there in 1929.

My division chair is looking hard at these units and his research has
led him to believe that these are the premier units:
http://www.foreverho****er.com/

There is also a lot of info at the site, too...

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

You can grab the Bosch 2400E for $800 or so on Ebay, with another $200 for
the SS horizontal vent kit. Take away the $300 tax credit and you are
looking at about the same price of a good quality 40-50 gallon NG hot water
tank.

The rub.........you need a minimum 3/4" gas line. I just found this out
from a contractor quoting on the installation. We only have 1/2" at the hot
water tank room and our ceiling in the basement is finished. The only
solution is trenching in a new 1" line outside to the hot water tank room at
a cost of about $1,500.

The next rub......that same contractor quoted an install price of $1,500
over and beyond running a new gas line.

So we would be looking at a total cost of around $4,000.

Another contractor is coming in this afternoon for an estimate.

I just did some research into high efficiency hot water tanks (12 year
warranty, 2" insulation, electronic ignition) and it looks like it would
take 20 years to make up the difference in operating costs between these
units and the tankless.

It looks like a single new 50 gallon tank is in our future. ;-)

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:05:18 -0400, JimH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make
this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and at/near
their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the advances
in
tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless water heaters
are
also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?

I looked into this, but cannot, yet, justify it. A good system is
QUITE pricey. My personal take is that gas is the only way to go....
unless you have a LOT of extra ampacity in your electric supply (150A
or more).

Thus, the system is a big radiator, in reverse, that accepts BTU from
a gas flame (think either venting or exterior installation) and
transfers the heat to the water passing through the "radiator" on to
the hot water system. It only heats water on demand... except exterior
units have an ability to assure that the unit doesn't freeze in very
cold weather. Most of this is controlled by new fangled solid state
circuitry, which on some units is the Achilles heel. Frankly, that
doesn't have to be so, because my Dad said one of these units was in
his boarding house in Newport News when he lived there in 1929.

My division chair is looking hard at these units and his research has
led him to believe that these are the premier units:
http://www.foreverho****er.com/

There is also a lot of info at the site, too...

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

You can grab the Bosch 2400E for $800 or so on Ebay, with another $200 for
the SS horizontal vent kit. Take away the $300 tax credit and you are
looking at about the same price of a good quality 40-50 gallon NG hot water
tank.

The rub.........you need a minimum 3/4" gas line. I just found this out
from a contractor quoting on the installation. We only have 1/2" at the hot
water tank room and our ceiling in the basement is finished. The only
solution is trenching in a new 1" line outside to the hot water tank room at
a cost of about $1,500.

The next rub......that same contractor quoted an install price of $1,500
over and beyond running a new gas line.

So we would be looking at a total cost of around $4,000.

Another contractor is coming in this afternoon for an estimate.

I just did some research into high efficiency hot water tanks (12 year
warranty, 2" insulation, electronic ignition) and it looks like it would
take 20 years to make up the difference in operating costs between these
units and the tankless.

It looks like a single new 50 gallon tank is in our future. ;-)



Or...you could tell the wimmins in your life to bathe in cold water.
That would guarantee bachelorhood...and lower energy costs.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 17, 6:05?am, "JimH" wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make
this on topic.


Yeah. There's a real obvious relationship between satellite signals
and a hot water tank.





Hey, at least mine involved WATER............and not friggin' bees.

Have a spectacular day Chuck.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 17, 11:48 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 17, 6:05?am, "JimH" wrote:

Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to make
this on topic.

Yeah. There's a real obvious relationship between satellite signals
and a hot water tank.

That's because Jim just isn't bright enough to actually be able to tie
the two together.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 17, 12:12 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:05:18 -0400, JimH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to
make
this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and at/near
their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the advances
in
tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless water heaters
are
also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?

I looked into this, but cannot, yet, justify it. A good system is
QUITE pricey. My personal take is that gas is the only way to go....
unless you have a LOT of extra ampacity in your electric supply (150A
or more).

Thus, the system is a big radiator, in reverse, that accepts BTU from
a gas flame (think either venting or exterior installation) and
transfers the heat to the water passing through the "radiator" on to
the hot water system. It only heats water on demand... except exterior
units have an ability to assure that the unit doesn't freeze in very
cold weather. Most of this is controlled by new fangled solid state
circuitry, which on some units is the Achilles heel. Frankly, that
doesn't have to be so, because my Dad said one of these units was in
his boarding house in Newport News when he lived there in 1929.

My division chair is looking hard at these units and his research has
led him to believe that these are the premier units:
http://www.foreverho****er.com/

There is also a lot of info at the site, too...

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

You can grab the Bosch 2400E for $800 or so on Ebay, with another $200 for
the SS horizontal vent kit. Take away the $300 tax credit and you are
looking at about the same price of a good quality 40-50 gallon NG hot water
tank.

The rub.........you need a minimum 3/4" gas line. I just found this out
from a contractor quoting on the installation. We only have 1/2" at the hot
water tank room and our ceiling in the basement is finished. The only
solution is trenching in a new 1" line outside to the hot water tank room at
a cost of about $1,500.

The next rub......that same contractor quoted an install price of $1,500
over and beyond running a new gas line.

So we would be looking at a total cost of around $4,000.

Another contractor is coming in this afternoon for an estimate.

I just did some research into high efficiency hot water tanks (12 year
warranty, 2" insulation, electronic ignition) and it looks like it would
take 20 years to make up the difference in operating costs between these
units and the tankless.

It looks like a single new 50 gallon tank is in our future. ;-)

Or...you could tell the wimmins in your life to bathe in cold water.
That would guarantee bachelorhood...and lower energy costs.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only if the DO bathe......

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:07:36 -0400, JimH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



The rub.........you need a minimum 3/4" gas line. I just found this out
from a contractor quoting on the installation. We only have 1/2" at the
hot
water tank room and our ceiling in the basement is finished. The only
solution is trenching in a new 1" line outside to the hot water tank room
at
a cost of about $1,500.

The next rub......that same contractor quoted an install price of $1,500
over and beyond running a new gas line.


I know that I don't think like most people.... but it would be a cold
day in hell before I would pay a contractor $3,000 to do what it would
take me a Saturday to do.....

--


I agree. The problem is I am not too confident working with a natural gas
line.

Anyway, a second, and obviously more ethical contractor (35 years in
business) came in this afternoon with an estimate of $750 for the entire
installation, including running a new 3/4" gas line from the meter.

He also asked us to consider going with a single 50 gallon hot water tank
($650 installed and removing our 2 existing tanks). His reasoning:

1. The cost to operate the hot water tank, even with a standing pilot, is
about $250/year. The cost to run the tankless hot water heater would be at
about $150/year.

2. The tankless system has moving parts where as a tank does not. We have
never had to service a hot water tank (no moving parts) and got over 15
years on the 5 year warranty tanks we now have.

We are putting in a 50 gallon tank.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 17, 3:05 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:47:14 -0400, JimH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

He also asked us to consider going with a single 50 gallon hot water tank
($650 installed and removing our 2 existing tanks). His reasoning:

I would not, repeat NOT, put in one tank instead of two..... if they
are in separate locations. Think about how far your furthest faucet
would be from the new single tank. You may have the totally irritating
new experience of cutting on the hot water tap and waiting a lifetime
for hot water.....

Unless somebody tried to go cheap with a tiny tank and had to fix a
we-just-ran-out-of-hot-water problem by installing a second tank next
to the first, two hot water heaters were probably installed for good
reason.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

We have one location for 2 tanks linked together. This was done when
we built the house 15 years ago. (BTW the existing tanks are 40
gallons, not 50). We no longer need that sort of capacity and will
have it replumbed for a single tank.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 17, 2:47 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

...





On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:07:36 -0400, JimH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

The rub.........you need a minimum 3/4" gas line. I just found this out
from a contractor quoting on the installation. We only have 1/2" at the
hot
water tank room and our ceiling in the basement is finished. The only
solution is trenching in a new 1" line outside to the hot water tank room
at
a cost of about $1,500.

The next rub......that same contractor quoted an install price of $1,500
over and beyond running a new gas line.

I know that I don't think like most people.... but it would be a cold
day in hell before I would pay a contractor $3,000 to do what it would
take me a Saturday to do.....

--

I agree. The problem is I am not too confident working with a natural gas
line.

Anyway, a second, and obviously more ethical contractor (35 years in
business) came in this afternoon with an estimate of $750 for the entire
installation, including running a new 3/4" gas line from the meter.

He also asked us to consider going with a single 50 gallon hot water tank
($650 installed and removing our 2 existing tanks). His reasoning:

1. The cost to operate the hot water tank, even with a standing pilot, is
about $250/year. The cost to run the tankless hot water heater would be at
about $150/year.

2. The tankless system has moving parts where as a tank does not. We have
never had to service a hot water tank (no moving parts) and got over 15
years on the 5 year warranty tanks we now have.

We are putting in a 50 gallon tank.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go ahead. But if you bathed, you'd be surprised at the savings. In
summer, when our natural gas is used for nothing except hot water and
cooking, my bill is half of what it was with a hot water heater.
Granted, our hot water tank heater was a builder grade one that wasn't
very efficient, but it still makes nothing but sense to do. Take your
$100 a year savings (and I'll bet you'll save much more than that).
Subtract the cost of your 50 gal hot water heater from the cost of an
on demand unit, then you'll be surprised at how little time it takes
to break even, then it's all downhill.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.

Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.


Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

"Dan" wrote in message
...
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.


Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

I thought it was the other way. All is cold, and just add heat.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 18, 11:44 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message

...

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

I thought it was the other way. All is cold, and just add heat.

You thought wrong.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

And yes, stalker, there is plenty of "cites". But, if you don't
believe, it, then you're really not smart enough to grasp the concept.
Such as, if there IS such a thing as cold, then why can't we get
ANYTHING down to a temperature that is less than absolute zero, which
by definition is when there is NO HEAT ENERGY in a given substance?
So, absolute zero is simply the lack of heat. We can hit 458 degrees
below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is
not the opposite of heat, just the absence of it. The same way as the
word darkness simply describes the absence of light. Now if you are
really interested, there are PLENTY of good reads on the subject out
there.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.


I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

And yes, stalker, there is plenty of "cites". But, if you don't
believe, it, then you're really not smart enough to grasp the concept.
Such as, if there IS such a thing as cold, then why can't we get
ANYTHING down to a temperature that is less than absolute zero, which
by definition is when there is NO HEAT ENERGY in a given substance?
So, absolute zero is simply the lack of heat. We can hit 458 degrees
below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is
not the opposite of heat, just the absence of it. The same way as the
word darkness simply describes the absence of light. Now if you are
really interested, there are PLENTY of good reads on the subject out
there.



Two responses to the same post, Walter?

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.

Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?


Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.


I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?

He'd welch on it anyway.....He accepted a bet with the resident dentist
that Kevin/Walter had a "Masters of Structural Engineering" from Ga.
Tech (then he dicovered that Tech does not other that degree) :-)

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 19, 7:42 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.

I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who, Kevin, Walter, or me?

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 19, 7:43 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

And yes, stalker, there is plenty of "cites". But, if you don't
believe, it, then you're really not smart enough to grasp the concept.
Such as, if there IS such a thing as cold, then why can't we get
ANYTHING down to a temperature that is less than absolute zero, which
by definition is when there is NO HEAT ENERGY in a given substance?
So, absolute zero is simply the lack of heat. We can hit 458 degrees
below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is
not the opposite of heat, just the absence of it. The same way as the
word darkness simply describes the absence of light. Now if you are
really interested, there are PLENTY of good reads on the subject out
there.

Two responses to the same post, Walter?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Time for a song! Just for my little stalker buddy:
Infatuation......
Infatuations.....
It's making Dan crazy......
It's driving Dan CRAAAZZZYYYY.......

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

On Apr 19, 8:45 pm, Animal05 wrote:
Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.

Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.

I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?

He'd welch on it anyway.....He accepted a bet with the resident dentist
that Kevin/Walter had a "Masters of Structural Engineering" from Ga.
Tech (then he dicovered that Tech does not other that degree) :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Fritz, still getting child raising and coping with divorce tips
from usenet, loser?

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On Apr 19, 7:42 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.

I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ooopsy, Danny, you forgot to respond to my instructive reply to you
concerning there is no cold, just less heat.

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:42 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?
Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.
I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who, Kevin, Walter, or me?


The post can be read like a book - top to bottom. What part confused
you and led you to that response?

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:43 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?
And yes, stalker, there is plenty of "cites". But, if you don't
believe, it, then you're really not smart enough to grasp the concept.
Such as, if there IS such a thing as cold, then why can't we get
ANYTHING down to a temperature that is less than absolute zero, which
by definition is when there is NO HEAT ENERGY in a given substance?
So, absolute zero is simply the lack of heat. We can hit 458 degrees
below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is
not the opposite of heat, just the absence of it. The same way as the
word darkness simply describes the absence of light. Now if you are
really interested, there are PLENTY of good reads on the subject out
there.
Two responses to the same post, Walter?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Time for a song! Just for my little stalker buddy:
Infatuation......
Infatuations.....
It's making Dan crazy......
It's driving Dan CRAAAZZZYYYY.......


Time for an intervention!

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

basskisser wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:42 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:
In ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:
hot water heater.
Why do you need to heat hot water?
To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.
Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?
Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.
I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ooopsy, Danny, you forgot to respond to my instructive reply to you
concerning there is no cold, just less heat.


What "reply"? The whole thread is up there...

Tankless Water Heaters. Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
 

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:42 pm, Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

On Apr 17, 5:22 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In
ooglegroups.com,
basskisser sprach forth the following:

hot water heater.

Why do you need to heat hot water?

To make it hotter, perhaps? For your information, in real, scientific
terms, there is no cold, just less heat.

Right. Got a cite for that, pot farmer?

Please show what evidence you have that I'm a "pot farmer". What?
Don't have any? Why am I not surprised? Oh, I know, because you LOVE
to post showing just how ignorant of fact you are. Let's see the
facts, stalker.

I'm not going to waste time digging up your posts where you clearly
admit to growing pot - unless you offer a wager?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Who, Kevin, Walter, or me?


The post can be read like a book - top to bottom. What part confused
you and led you to that response?

Kevin is two taco's short of a combination plate.

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"Dan" wrote in message
...

Time for an intervention!


I'd say you're way beyond that. A little electric shock treatment might
make you straighten out and fly right.

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JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware to make
this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and replaced
it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and at/near
their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with the advances in
tankless water heater technology. Many of these tankless water heaters are
also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2 showers
simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?


I considered it when my WH died a about 4 years ago. an engineer friend
convinced me to stay with the status quo.
Current Gas bill 50.00 usd per month for 1 50 gallon WH, Gas clothes
dryer and a convection range.


Liberally yours

Fredo

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Harry Krause wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Just had to use a Chuck trick of mentioning piece a boating hardware
to make this on topic.

Has anyone ditched their hot water tank(s) in their house and
replaced it/them with a tankless water heater?

Just curious as our two 50 gallon hot water tanks are 15 years and
at/near their useful life. Replacing them does not make sense with
the advances in tankless water heater technology. Many of these
tankless water heaters are also eligible for a $300 tax credit.

I am looking at the Bosch 2400E (natural gas) which can supply 2
showers simultaneously, or so the specs say.

Any tankless water heater users out there?

As an English major, I haven't a clue as to how these devices supply
a steady stream of hot water. Please explain.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.toolbase.org/pdf/techinv/...s_techspec.pdf



Yeah, I know how they work. But I don't see how they supply a steady
stream of hot water, especially for an active household with several
appliances running and someone in the tub or shower.

It's easy in theory: 100,000 btu heater Vs a regular tank WH with 30,000
btu heater.

Liberally Yours

1.20.09

Fredo

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:04:25 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
.. .

Time for an intervention!


I'd say you're way beyond that. A little electric shock treatment might
make you straighten out and fly right.


That's the state of health care in Canada. No thanks.

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"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:04:25 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
. ..

Time for an intervention!


I'd say you're way beyond that. A little electric shock treatment might
make you straighten out and fly right.


That's the state of health care in Canada. No thanks.



Sissy... it didn't hurt me a bit!