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Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell
phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
Interesting article, right up until I read, "(although the reports seem to
indicate this could be true)." Another alarmist with absolutely no scientific evidence to back his statements. Anecdotal evidence at best (if even that). I ate a bagle this morning and got into a car accident this afternoon. Therefore, eating bagles must cause car accidents. Phooey. --Mike "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:33:55 GMT, "Mike" wrote:
Interesting article, right up until I read, "(although the reports seem to indicate this could be true)." Another alarmist with absolutely no scientific evidence to back his statements. Anecdotal evidence at best (if even that). I ate a bagle this morning and got into a car accident this afternoon. Therefore, eating bagles must cause car accidents. Phooey. --Mike That's far fetched. But, it's probably true that your bagel caused some farting which *definitely* contributed to global warming. -- *****Have a Spectacular Day!***** John H |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
On Apr 16, 10:33?pm, "Mike" wrote:
Interesting article, right up until I read, "(although the reports seem to indicate this could be true)." Another alarmist with absolutely no scientific evidence to back his statements. Anecdotal evidence at best (if even that). I ate a bagle this morning and got into a car accident this afternoon. Therefore, eating bagles must cause car accidents. Phooey. --Mike "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The difficulty could be, as we have seen repeatedly in any of these "environmental" issues, that if enough people buy into the explanation that cell phone signals are disrupting the bee-nav system there will be a public clamor to "do something" about it. Then again there's always the risk that if we wait until there is not the tiniest shred of doubt regarding the phenomenon it might be too late to save the bees. Somebody should conduct some controlled experiments to determine whether the allegations are true. If they are, it could have an effect on agricultural yield in any country industrialized enough to have a lot of cell phones. Bees haven't had any problem with the steady signals of radio and TV transmission bands, but maybe the two-way and sporadic transmissions of probably 100 million cell phones is a different experience. In any event, this opens up a whole new field of "signal" pollution; with items like VHF radio and GPS possibly coming under the microscope if thiscause gets any traction. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technologyblamed?
Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
On Apr 17, 4:30�pm, Dan wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? *Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. *On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 4:30?pm, Dan wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) =================================== This is hillarious! Pass the popcorn. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technologyblamed?
Dan wrote:
Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
On Apr 17, 5:18�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 4:30?pm, Dan wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) =================================== This is hillarious! *Pass the popcorn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "This is hillarious!" has to rank right up there with "Your an idiot." Thanks for another classic contribution, JimH. You may not always be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but you contend very nicely for the smartest ass. Really ****es you off to see anything boating related interrupting discussions about hot water tanks and lawnmowers, doesn't it? |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
On Apr 17, 5:23�pm, BAR wrote:
Dan wrote: Are you serious? *Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. *On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
On Apr 17, 5:43?pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote: In , BAR sprach forth the following: Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. Cho Seung-Hui was South Korean; therefore we must kill all South Koreans to prevent another tragedy like yesterday's. Timothy McVeigh was a red haired Anglo-American. Watch out for those guys. :-) (just kidding) If your point is supposed to be that we can't jump to any conclusions based simply on timing, I have to agree. If your point is that its totally impossible regardless of timing, I would say that we need to do some experiments to say exactly whether cell phone signals, GPS signals, or some other electronic transmissions are screwing with the bees. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technologyblamed?
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:23�pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? �Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. �On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 5:18?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 4:30?pm, Dan wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) =================================== This is hillarious! Pass the popcorn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "This is hillarious!" has to rank right up there with "Your an idiot." Thanks for another classic contribution, JimH. You may not always be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but you contend very nicely for the smartest ass. Really ****es you off to see anything boating related interrupting discussions about hot water tanks and lawnmowers, doesn't it? _________________ If you want to classify yourself as an idiot, that is your option Chuck. Some here may agree........me on the other hand think you are quite bright. All I did was make an obserervation. No name calling. No personal attack on you. Yet it resulted in exactly those things from you.........2 things you have rallied the troops here against. Way to go Chuck. You have sunk to a new low. |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 5:18?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 4:30?pm, Dan wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) =================================== This is hillarious! Pass the popcorn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "This is hillarious!" has to rank right up there with "Your an idiot." Thanks for another classic contribution, JimH. You may not always be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but you contend very nicely for the smartest ass. Really ****es you off to see anything boating related interrupting discussions about hot water tanks and lawnmowers, doesn't it? _________________ If you want to classify yourself as an idiot, that is your option Chuck. Some here may agree........me on the other hand thinks you are quite bright. All I did was make an obserervation. No name calling. No personal attack on you. Yet it resulted in exactly those things from you.........2 things you have rallied the troops here against. Way to go Chuck. You have sunk to a new low. BTW: Forgot to add: Nighty night and I hope you have a spectacular day tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technology blamed?
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 5:18?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 4:30?pm, Dan wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) =================================== This is hillarious! Pass the popcorn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "This is hillarious!" has to rank right up there with "Your an idiot." Thanks for another classic contribution, JimH. You may not always be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but you contend very nicely for the smartest ass. Really ****es you off to see anything boating related interrupting discussions about hot water tanks and lawnmowers, doesn't it? _________________ If you want to classify yourself as an idiot, that is your option Chuck. Some here may agree........I on the other hand think you are quite bright. All I did was make an obserervation. No name calling. No personal attack on you. Yet it resulted in exactly those things from you.........2 things you have rallied the troops here against. Way to go Chuck. You have sunk to a new low. Doh! Edit |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 5:18?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 4:30?pm, Dan wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What may not be known is whether it's the intermittency of cell phone signals or the frequency range. Just like GPS, there is a nonstop broadcast of cell phone signals to somebody, Heck, most any home with a teenager can probably attest to that. :-) =================================== This is hillarious! Pass the popcorn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "This is hillarious!" has to rank right up there with "Your an idiot." Thanks for another classic contribution, JimH. You may not always be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but you contend very nicely for the smartest ass. Really ****es you off to see anything boating related interrupting discussions about hot water tanks and lawnmowers, doesn't it? _________________ If you want to classify yourself as an idiot, that is your option Chuck. Some here may agree........I on the other hand think you are quite bright. All I did was make an obserervation. No name calling. No personal attack on you. Yet it resulted in exactly those things from you.........2 things you have rallied the troops here against. Way to go Chuck. You have sunk to a new low. BTW: Forgot to add: Nighty night and I hope you have a spectacular day tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! Doh! Another edit. |
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On Apr 17, 6:46�pm, "JimH" wrote:
Way to go Chuck. * You have sunk to a new low.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Glub, glub. |
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Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for
both? Cause and effect. Or anecdotal. There needs to be some science behind it for any validity. --Mike "BAR" wrote in message ... Dan wrote: Are you serious? Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. |
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.I would say that we need to
do some experiments to say exactly whether cell phone signals, GPS signals, or some other electronic transmissions are screwing with the bees. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm not discounting anything... I just want to see some evidence. --Mike "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 5:43?pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote: In , BAR sprach forth the following: Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. Cho Seung-Hui was South Korean; therefore we must kill all South Koreans to prevent another tragedy like yesterday's. Timothy McVeigh was a red haired Anglo-American. Watch out for those guys. :-) (just kidding) If your point is supposed to be that we can't jump to any conclusions based simply on timing, I have to agree. If your point is that its totally impossible regardless of timing, I would say that we need to do some experiments to say exactly whether cell phone signals, GPS signals, or some other electronic transmissions are screwing with the bees. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
In any event, this opens up a whole new field of "signal" pollution; with items like VHF radio and GPS possibly coming under the microscope if thiscause gets any traction. GPS receivers don't transmit. The signals coming from the satellites are probably on the order of picowatts (10^-12). |
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist...
Any time someone has to add that, well, they're a nutjob. |
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:14:54 -0400, "JimH" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message .. . "JimH" wrote in message ... Snipped Wow! Messages saying nothing, and messages correcting those. |
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:34:49 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote: I'm not a conspiracy theorist... Any time someone has to add that, well, they're a nutjob. Why is global warming not the cause of this pending crisis also? |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. Could also be that they are on strike for higher honey wages. |
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Mike wrote:
Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. Or anecdotal. There needs to be some science behind it for any validity. I thought the science was settled for this and that a vast majority of scientists agree therefore it is not up for debate, we need to propose a radio frequency trading program. |
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:49:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. Could also be that they are on strike for higher honey wages. Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. It has to be big honey! |
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BAR wrote:
John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:49:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. Could also be that they are on strike for higher honey wages. Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. It has to be big honey! Now there is a name for a band. Big Honey. Or a really large stripper. EEEWWWWWWW........ |
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:49:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. Could also be that they are on strike for higher honey wages. Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. Let me guess... On second thought... Never mind. :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
John H. wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:49:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. Could also be that they are on strike for higher honey wages. Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. Let me guess... On second thought... Never mind. :) Is there some rule that I have to participate in every bit of nonsense here? :} There is? Oh. Dick Cheney did it. |
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:49:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 17, 5:23?pm, BAR wrote: Dan wrote: Are you serious? ?Cell phone theory aside, GPS's are receive only - much like an FM radio. ?On or off the signals are still there. Isn't there a correlation between when GPS went into operation and when the bees started to decline? Hasn't it been within the last 30 years for both? Cause and effect. If observations that something is interferring with the bees' ability to navigate back and forth from the hive are correct, and if the problem is indeed getting worse as alleged, then it could well be that some technology that was introduced about the time the problem began and has been increasing at about the same rate the bee populations have been decreasing *could* (maybe!) be associated. A lot of ifs and maybes at this point, but it ought to be easy enough to run a controlled experiment to see if the insects are confused by any sort of electronic transmissions. I could buy into this theory in a New York minute. It's pretty much proven that transmitted radio signals can screw up birds (think AF PAVE/PAWS OTHR on the Cape) and there were all the problems the Navy had with powerful sonar signals messing up blue whales and dolphins. It would make sense that really high frequency signals could mess up insects. I'd like to see some hard experimentation though. Maybe Autism is up in bees because of all the chemicals in the environment. And they can not function. Could also be that they are on strike for higher honey wages. Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. |
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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:31:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. It has to be big honey! Now there is a name for a band. Big Honey. Or a really large stripper. EEEWWWWWWW........ Or a large striper! YAAAAAYYY! You name your fish? |
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:31:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Whatever the cause, I know who Harry would blame. It has to be big honey! Now there is a name for a band. Big Honey. Or a really large stripper. EEEWWWWWWW........ Or a large striper! YAAAAAYYY! |
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On Apr 16, 9:55?pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. An additional link regarding electronic signals and bees: http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece Also makes one wonder about VHF. Some of the broadcasts in that band run continuously (like weather), while of course most use is sporadic. |
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On 20 Apr 2007 08:53:23 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: Also makes one wonder about VHF. Some of the broadcasts in that band run continuously (like weather), while of course most use is sporadic. Not likely. Marine VHF transmissions are very low powered compared to the signals of VHF broadcast television transmitters which operate relatively close in frequency, and have done so for 60 years. On the other hand, cell phone signals of the new digital PCS variety are at frequencies more than 10 time higher, and are relatively new to that radio spectrum. One fact that may lend credibility to the bee theory is that the sun also emits electromagnetic signals in about the same frequency range as the newer digital cell phones. Consequently if bees were somehow using that solar radiation in some way for navigation or orientation, that could be a possible link. My gut feel however is that this is probably related to chemicals in some way. Perhaps a new pesticide formulation, fertilizer, fuel additive, or something similar. GPS is extremely unlikely given the low power density of the signals. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
My gut feel however is that this is probably related to chemicals in some way. Perhaps a new pesticide formulation, fertilizer, fuel additive, or something similar. Wouldn't it be a giggle if it turned out to be ethanol? |
Cell phones killing honey bees? Will GPS be the next technologyblamed?
Mike wrote:
Interesting article, right up until I read, "(although the reports seem to indicate this could be true)." Another alarmist with absolutely no scientific evidence to back his statements. Anecdotal evidence at best (if even that). I ate a bagle this morning and got into a car accident this afternoon. Therefore, eating bagles must cause car accidents. Phooey. --Mike "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... Interesting item regarding a suspected relationship between cell phones and a current crisis with honeybees. Makes you wonder whether GPS signals will be coming under scrutiny as well....... ************************* Cell phones wiping out bee populations: Will your mobile be the next SUV? Posted Apr 16th 2007 8:01PM by Sarah Gilbert Filed under: Newspapers, Rants and raves, Economic data It was only a few weeks ago that I started reading about the plight of commercial bees in Oregon, where I live, and other nearby agricultural states: some mysterious force was causing what's called "Colony Collapse Disorder" for untold (but, by all guesses, large) numbers of bees used for pollinating crops up and down the Pacific Coast. One beekeeper said that the vast majority of his colonies had just disappeared -- the bees would leave, and never return to the hive, presumably dying from hunger. Despite the seeming widespread nature of the problem, agricultural authorities wouldn't confirm its severity, and no one had solid numbers. Until now, a variety of unrelated and unsatisfactory theories had been surfaced, though none even seemed half-right. Global warming. A bad batch of the high-fructose corn syrup typically used to feed commercial bees. Genetically modified crops. Pesticides. Mites. In the past few days I've seen several bees around my home, buzzing in and then fizzling out, dying slow, awful deaths on the sidewalk or windowsill. My stomach began to sink. Bees are vital to the health of so many of the world's plants. What could be done? Now a report from Britain, where bee losses are still denied by agricultural authorities, although beekeepers are raising the alarm (U.S. beekeepers claim 60% of West Coast populations and 70% of East Coast bees have vanished): cell phone signals are disrupting bees' natural navigation systems. While alarmist, it makes sense; when cell phones are on, they're constantly crying for attention, pinging whatever tower is nearby every few minutes so that the home tower can keep track of the signal and send in whatever calls or messages come its way. Think of all the millions of pings that bounce back and forth across agricultural areas every week. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never worried about fears that cell phones cause brain cancer and cell death (although the reports seem to indicate this could be true). But after reading these reports my first urge is to turn off all the cell phones in the family and only use them for emergencies. If this is true, cell phones could become the SUV of 2008; a public display of a human putting its own comfort above the needs of the environment at large. And I'm sticking to land-based stocks for now! *********************************** The world is changing in some pretty strange ways. Kind of like when Rush says; " I am not making this up" ;-) Liberally Yours 1.20.09 Fredo |
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