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Some of you may recall that I posted back at the beginning of March
that I was having an engine alarm problem with my 6.2L MPI Bravo 3. After warming up, the alarm would sound at anything over 3,000 RPMs and the rev limiter would kick in to slow down the engine. All panel guages were reading normally, oil level and outdrive level were normal, and a survey of the engine with a digital heat gun showed no temperature abnormalities. My neighbor who has a fair amount of engine expertise tried disconnecting several different sensors but nothing helped. The next step was to contact a local mechanic who is Mercruiser certified. He showed up with his digital diagnostic instruments and could find no record of tripped alarms. The only abnormality he saw was a somewhat low reading on raw water pressure. We had already tried disconnecting that sensor but decided to go ahead and replace the raw water impeller. It turned out that not only was the impeller scuffed up but also the internal pump housing so we replaced the entire pump. Still no joy, same old alarm condition, no read out on the Mercruiser instrumentation, but raw water pressure was now in the normal range. Several calls by the mechanic later, several conversations with Mercruiser, many more sea trials, another weekend, and we were still no further along. Meanwhile the ECM had been swapped out with one known to be good, the alternator checked, and several more sensor swaps were made. This morning the mechanic came back with one of his colleagues, a Dell laptop computer with Mercruiser diagnostic software, interface cables, etc. The laptop showed a low oil pressure reading even though the panel guage was reading good pressure, and the Mercruiser diagnostic box showed no oil pressure issues. Even with the low oil pressure reading, the laptop software was still not indicating an alarm condition although the alarm horn was howling, and the ECM rev limiter was engaged. As luck would have it they had a spare oil pressure sensor with them (the one that feeds the ECM, not the panel guage), and swapped it out. Voilla, no more engine alarms, $1200 and 3 or 4 weeks later. Strange things these computerized engines, it must be running MS Vista or have a virus. :-) The mechanics say they have been running into a lot of sensor issues with the 6.2L engines but it looks like the Mercruiser diagnostic tools have a few bugs also, or there may be some issues with the way the ECM is reporting problems (or not). |
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Very interesting. Thanks for the update, Wayne.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:02:32 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Some of you may recall that I posted back at the beginning of March that I was having an engine alarm problem with my 6.2L MPI Bravo 3. After warming up, the alarm would sound at anything over 3,000 RPMs and the rev limiter would kick in to slow down the engine. All panel guages were reading normally, oil level and outdrive level were normal, and a survey of the engine with a digital heat gun showed no temperature abnormalities. My neighbor who has a fair amount of engine expertise tried disconnecting several different sensors but nothing helped. The next step was to contact a local mechanic who is Mercruiser certified. He showed up with his digital diagnostic instruments and could find no record of tripped alarms. The only abnormality he saw was a somewhat low reading on raw water pressure. We had already tried disconnecting that sensor but decided to go ahead and replace the raw water impeller. It turned out that not only was the impeller scuffed up but also the internal pump housing so we replaced the entire pump. Still no joy, same old alarm condition, no read out on the Mercruiser instrumentation, but raw water pressure was now in the normal range. Several calls by the mechanic later, several conversations with Mercruiser, many more sea trials, another weekend, and we were still no further along. Meanwhile the ECM had been swapped out with one known to be good, the alternator checked, and several more sensor swaps were made. This morning the mechanic came back with one of his colleagues, a Dell laptop computer with Mercruiser diagnostic software, interface cables, etc. The laptop showed a low oil pressure reading even though the panel guage was reading good pressure, and the Mercruiser diagnostic box showed no oil pressure issues. Even with the low oil pressure reading, the laptop software was still not indicating an alarm condition although the alarm horn was howling, and the ECM rev limiter was engaged. As luck would have it they had a spare oil pressure sensor with them (the one that feeds the ECM, not the panel guage), and swapped it out. Voilla, no more engine alarms, $1200 and 3 or 4 weeks later. Strange things these computerized engines, it must be running MS Vista or have a virus. :-) The mechanics say they have been running into a lot of sensor issues with the 6.2L engines but it looks like the Mercruiser diagnostic tools have a few bugs also, or there may be some issues with the way the ECM is reporting problems (or not). -- *****Have a Spectacular Day!***** John H |
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I have a simular issue and still not fix. I have a 5.0 and the alarm
sound when I hit 3000 and will sound until I get to 3500-3700 (max cruising speed for me). All gages read fine. The drive oil is just fine. I replaced the oil alarm senson and temp sensor. I even disconnected the drive oil temp. Same issue. On one arm, I am quite concerned, on the other, I am just plain annoyed. I am debating whether or not to just cut the wire to the alarm speaker and call it quits. What do you all think? -Kevin Klasmeier Wayne.B wrote: Some of you may recall that I posted back at the beginning of March that I was having an engine alarm problem with my 6.2L MPI Bravo 3. After warming up, the alarm would sound at anything over 3,000 RPMs and the rev limiter would kick in to slow down the engine. All panel guages were reading normally, oil level and outdrive level were normal, and a survey of the engine with a digital heat gun showed no temperature abnormalities. My neighbor who has a fair amount of engine expertise tried disconnecting several different sensors but nothing helped. The next step was to contact a local mechanic who is Mercruiser certified. He showed up with his digital diagnostic instruments and could find no record of tripped alarms. The only abnormality he saw was a somewhat low reading on raw water pressure. We had already tried disconnecting that sensor but decided to go ahead and replace the raw water impeller. It turned out that not only was the impeller scuffed up but also the internal pump housing so we replaced the entire pump. Still no joy, same old alarm condition, no read out on the Mercruiser instrumentation, but raw water pressure was now in the normal range. Several calls by the mechanic later, several conversations with Mercruiser, many more sea trials, another weekend, and we were still no further along. Meanwhile the ECM had been swapped out with one known to be good, the alternator checked, and several more sensor swaps were made. This morning the mechanic came back with one of his colleagues, a Dell laptop computer with Mercruiser diagnostic software, interface cables, etc. The laptop showed a low oil pressure reading even though the panel guage was reading good pressure, and the Mercruiser diagnostic box showed no oil pressure issues. Even with the low oil pressure reading, the laptop software was still not indicating an alarm condition although the alarm horn was howling, and the ECM rev limiter was engaged. As luck would have it they had a spare oil pressure sensor with them (the one that feeds the ECM, not the panel guage), and swapped it out. Voilla, no more engine alarms, $1200 and 3 or 4 weeks later. Strange things these computerized engines, it must be running MS Vista or have a virus. :-) The mechanics say they have been running into a lot of sensor issues with the 6.2L engines but it looks like the Mercruiser diagnostic tools have a few bugs also, or there may be some issues with the way the ECM is reporting problems (or not). |
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On May 7, 9:51 pm, kklasmei wrote:
I have a simular issue and still not fix. I have a 5.0 and the alarm sound when I hit 3000 and will sound until I get to 3500-3700 (max cruising speed for me). All gages read fine. The drive oilis just fine. I replaced theoilalarm senson and temp sensor. I even disconnected the driveoiltemp. Same issue. On one arm, I am quite concerned, on the other, I am just plain annoyed. I am debating whether or not to just cut the wire to the alarm speaker and call it quits. What do you all think? -Kevin Klasmeier Wayne.B wrote: Some of you may recall that I posted back at the beginning of March that I was having an engine alarm problem with my 6.2L MPI Bravo 3. After warming up, the alarm would sound at anything over 3,000 RPMs and the rev limiter would kick in to slow down the engine. All panel guages were reading normally,oillevel and outdrive level were normal, and a survey of the engine with a digital heat gun showed no temperature abnormalities. My neighbor who has a fair amount of engine expertise tried disconnecting several different sensors but nothing helped. The next step was to contact a local mechanic who isMercruiser certified. He showed up with his digital diagnostic instruments and could find no record of tripped alarms. The only abnormality he saw was a somewhat low reading on raw waterpressure. We had already tried disconnecting that sensor but decided to go ahead and replace the raw water impeller. It turned out that not only was the impeller scuffed up but also the internal pump housing so we replaced the entire pump. Still no joy, same old alarm condition, no read out on theMercruiserinstrumentation, but raw waterpressurewas now in the normal range. Several calls by the mechanic later, several conversations withMercruiser, many more sea trials, another weekend, and we were still no further along. Meanwhile the ECM had been swapped out with one known to be good, the alternator checked, and several more sensor swaps were made. This morning the mechanic came back with one of his colleagues, a Dell laptop computer withMercruiserdiagnostic software, interface cables, etc. The laptop showed a lowoilpressurereading even though the panel guage was reading goodpressure, and theMercruiserdiagnostic box showed nooilpressureissues. Even with the lowoilpressure reading, the laptop software was still not indicating an alarm condition although the alarm horn was howling, and the ECM rev limiter was engaged. As luck would have it they had a spareoilpressure sensor with them (the one that feeds the ECM, not the panel guage), and swapped it out. Voilla, no more engine alarms, $1200 and 3 or 4 weeks later. Strange things these computerized engines, it must be running MS Vista or have a virus. :-) The mechanics say they have been running into a lot of sensor issues with the 6.2L engines but it looks like theMercruiserdiagnostic tools have a few bugs also, or there may be some issues with the way the ECM is reporting problems (or not).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You have company! I have a Mercruiser 5.0 EFI installed in a Sea Ray Sundeck 210. I have the same problem. Above 3000 RPM the alarm kicks in. Very ANNOYING! Last time out, I dropped it down to idle, kept it running and stuck my head in behind the helm. I noticed there was more than one alarm speaker. In turn, I held my thumb over each one until the sound stopped. I noticed the OFFENDING beeper is connected to the oil pressure gauge. I've kept close tabs on the oil pressure gauge and it runs at 40 a little below 3000 RPM and gets up to 60 at higher RPM. It looks like we have plenty of pressure. And, she runs smooth as a purring kitten except when the cat tail gets caught in the meat grinder and the beeping begins. I'll tell you this about this design, it certainly gets your attention when it thinks something is wrong. I'd like to avoid multiple fruitless mechanic visits and get this resolved efficiently. |
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