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My name is Elliott, and I am seeking the help of as many people as I can get. I'm doing a school project at Boston University and we need people to fill out a quick survey that will take about 3-4 minutes to fill out regarding a new product for kayaks. It is a special on-water training device. We are just trying to guage the public's reaction to the product. Thank you for any help you can give! Survey link he http://websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/34805/kayaksurvey.htm |
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Why hasn't anyone thought of this before!
You could call them something like, oh, I duuno, "Sponsons" maybe. You would think the rbp crowd would be at least somewhat familiar with this lifesaving concept. ;-) On Mar 21, 4:57 pm, wrote: Hi everyone! My name is Elliott, and I am seeking the help of as many people as I can get. I'm doing a school project at Boston University and we need people to fill out a quick survey that will take about 3-4 minutes to fill out regarding a new product for kayaks. It is a special on-water training device. We are just trying to guage the public's reaction to the product. Thank you for any help you can give! Survey link he http://websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/34805/kayaksurvey.htm |
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On Mar 21, 4:57 pm, wrote:
Hi everyone! My name is Elliott, and I am seeking the help of as many people as I can get. I'm doing a school project at Boston University and we need people to fill out a quick survey that will take about 3-4 minutes to fill out regarding a new product for kayaks. It is a special on-water training device. We are just trying to guage the public's reaction to the product. Thank you for any help you can give! Survey link he http://websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/34805/kayaksurvey.htm Elliott, get a new project. These things are notorious, because they look like such a good idea to the uninitiated, but close examination by experienced boaters of the hydrodynamic and stability effects, not to mention the pschological implications of causing inexperienced boaters to rely upon fallible equipment[1] rather than developing the skills to deal with dangerous situations, show that these things are a really, really bad idea. You just don't want to associate yourself with something that turns out, upon examination, to be very, very dangerous. [1] Nothing inflatable is puncture-proof, and relying, possibly miles from any help, on equipment that may fail, when you don't have the skills to paddle safely without that peice of equipment, is terribly, terribly dangerous. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA .. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net .. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll .. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu .. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== |
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On Mar 21, 2:57 pm, wrote:
My name is Elliott, and I am seeking the help of as many people as I can get. I'm doing a school project at Boston University and we need people to fill out a quick survey that will take about 3-4 minutes to fill out regarding a new product for kayaks. [...] Why does the survey seem to presume a favorable response, pretend this is a "new" idea, include some ridiculous pricing ideas, and end with a bunch of stupid questions? Why not just buy a wide boat and not a kayak? |
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On Mar 21, 2:57 pm, wrote: My name is Elliott, and I am seeking the help of as many people as I can get. I'm doing a school project at Boston University and we need people to fill out a quick survey that will take about 3-4 minutes to fill out regarding a new product for kayaks. [...] Why does the survey seem to presume a favorable response, pretend this is a "new" idea, include some ridiculous pricing ideas, and end with a bunch of stupid questions? Why not just buy a wide boat and not a kayak? Probably because he's just a college kid. Hopefully, he's learning a hard lesson in reality. Rule #1: Know your market. Obviously, he doesn't...or at least he didn't. ;-) |
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On Mar 26, 7:45 pm, Brian Nystrom wrote:
Probably because he's just a college kid. Hopefully, he's learning a hard lesson in reality. Rule #1: Know your market. Obviously, he doesn't...or at least he didn't. ;-) My take was that it was a class in market research, and he was doing...um...research on whether this product would make it in the market. I took the survey and told him what I think of the product. Did anyone else? Steve |
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On Mar 26, 7:45 pm, Brian Nystrom wrote: Probably because he's just a college kid. Hopefully, he's learning a hard lesson in reality. Rule #1: Know your market. Obviously, he doesn't...or at least he didn't. ;-) My take was that it was a class in market research, and he was doing...um...research on whether this product would make it in the market. I took the survey and told him what I think of the product. Did anyone else? Yep, I did. :-) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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I took the survey and told him what I think of the product.
Did anyone else? Yep, I did. :-) Me too. Although the phrase "freaking sponsons" kept appearing in my responses. |
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wrote: On Mar 26, 7:45 pm, Brian Nystrom wrote: Probably because he's just a college kid. Hopefully, he's learning a hard lesson in reality. Rule #1: Know your market. Obviously, he doesn't...or at least he didn't. ;-) My take was that it was a class in market research, and he was doing...um...research on whether this product would make it in the market. I took the survey and told him what I think of the product. Did anyone else? Yep, I did. :-) Me too. The question is, what will he do with the information? Does he have so much invested in the idea that he'll refuse to recognize that it's a farce and plow ahead undaunted by reality, or will he see the light and write it off as a learning experience? Since he's a student, one would hope it would be the latter. ;-) I wonder if we'll ever know??? |
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On Mar 27, 3:31 pm, " wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:45 pm, Brian Nystrom wrote: Probably because he's just a college kid. Hopefully, he's learning a hard lesson in reality. Rule #1: Know your market. Obviously, he doesn't...or at least he didn't. ;-) My take was that it was a class in market research, and he was doing...um...research on whether this product would make it in the market. I took the survey and told him what I think of the product. Did anyone else? Not a chance. I gave him a polite discouraging reply, in case he is on the up-and-up, but there is also a strong possibility that it is our old friend at work again, under yet another false flag. Even if Elliot IS on the up-and-up, there was no way I was going to support him in this activity, because, as you may recall, our friend used to grasp at any straw, take any quotation out of context, to cite support for his project. I refuse to participate in any activity that will lend respectibility to our old friend's activities. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA .. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net .. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll .. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu .. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== |
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Does anyone remember the Tribalance kayak? I seem to recall it was
designed by John Winters. It also occurs to me that Elliott's invention might be just the thing for getting handicapped paddlers out on the water. Poor kid. Stumbling in here and getting dumped on. A learning experience, no charge. Steve |
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On 28 Mar 2007 04:58:20 -0700, wrote:
I took the survey and told him what I think of the product. Did anyone else? Yep, I did. :-) Me too. Although the phrase "freaking sponsons" kept appearing in my responses. They wouldn't be bad for a canoe, especially a canoe used for fishing or with ill behaved dogs or young children along. But there already are almost identical devices (not inflatable) for canoes. For kayaks I just don't see any utility whatsoever. -- r.bc: vixen Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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Does anyone remember the Tribalance kayak? I seem to recall it was designed by John Winters. The fact that almost no one remembers it should tell you something. It also occurs to me that Elliott's invention might be just the thing for getting handicapped paddlers out on the water. You're giving him too much credit. It's not an "invention", it's merely another take on an old idea, evidently from another non-paddler looking to "improve" the kayak. What these "inventors" are forgetting - or just don't get - is that KAYAK ARE DESIGNED THE WAY THEY ARE FOR A REASON and the design doesn't need their "improvements". As for adaptive paddling, you're correct. It's about the only real use for such devices, but that's not how people try to market them. If he had promoted his device as an adaptive paddling aid rather than as a way to "fix" something that isn't broken, I'll bet he would have gotten favorable responses. |
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On Mar 28, 10:11 pm, Cyli wrote:
They wouldn't be bad for a canoe, especially a canoe used for fishing or with ill behaved dogs or young children along. Cyli, That's funny, as a canoeist my first thought was that they wouldn't be bad for a kayak, especially for a kayak used for fishing or with ill behaved dogs or young children along OK, that's not true. My first thought was that Elliot has gone and reinvented a product with limited application and zero appeal to serious paddlers and posted a survey about it to a board that was decimated (in the literal "reduced by 90%" meaning) by a mentally unstable sponson manufacturer. |
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On Mar 28, 10:11 pm, Cyli wrote: They wouldn't be bad for a canoe, especially a canoe used for fishing or with ill behaved dogs or young children along. That's funny, as a canoeist my first thought was that they wouldn't be bad for a kayak, especially for a kayak used for fishing or with ill behaved dogs or young children along OK, that's not true. My first thought was that Elliot has gone and reinvented a product with limited application and zero appeal to serious paddlers and posted a survey about it to a board that was decimated (in the literal "reduced by 90%" meaning) by a mentally unstable sponson manufacturer. Actually the literal meaning of decimated is "reduced by 10%" not 90%. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimat...8Roman_Army%29 I'll give the whole sponson debate a wide berth. //Walt |
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On Mar 29, 10:24 am, Walt wrote:
wrote: Actually the literal meaning of decimated is "reduced by 10%" not 90%. Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_%28Roman_Army%29 Ooops, my bad. I wish rpb still hadn't seen so many fine and fun posters drift away as a result of the sponsonboy attacks (and trashing by burntnutjob and others) |
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On Mar 29, 10:24 am, Walt wrote: wrote: Actually the literal meaning of decimated is "reduced by 10%" not 90%. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimat...8Roman_Army%29 Ooops, my bad. Ain't the intertubes eductional? (c; I wish rpb still hadn't seen so many fine and fun posters drift away as a result of the sponsonboy attacks (and trashing by burntnutjob and others) It's not just rbp, it seems all of usenet has seen a similar attrition as people get bored, burn out, or move to web-based forums. Whatshisname surely didn't help, and there's somebody like him on nearly every usenet group. The moderation found on the web-based forums prevents that kind of abuse, but it also prevents the coffee-through-the -nose humor found in the great wilds of NNTP. So where were we? Oh yeah - sponsons - which appear to be a safe topic again: useful for a sailing kayak, unnessary for fla****er and dangerous for whitewater use. My $.02. //Walt |
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Geez, cut the guy some slack, woodja? It's a school project,
fercrissakes. He's not an inventor, he hasn't built any of these things, he and his classmates just got an idea and went to paddlers (what a concept!) to see if the idea had legs. Now he knows it doesn't. No need to beat him up. Steve |
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Geez, cut the guy some slack, woodja? It's a school project, fercrissakes. He's not an inventor, he hasn't built any of these things, he and his classmates just got an idea and went to paddlers (what a concept!) to see if the idea had legs. Now he knows it doesn't. No need to beat him up. Steve Steve, I agree. Give him feedback but don't belittle him. Al K |
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Steve Cramer wrote: Geez, cut the guy some slack, woodja? It's a school project, fercrissakes. He's not an inventor, he hasn't built any of these things, he and his classmates just got an idea and went to paddlers (what a concept!) to see if the idea had legs. Now he knows it doesn't. No need to beat him up. Steve Steve, I agree. Give him feedback but don't belittle him. Lighten up, will ya?. If anything, we're doing him a BIG favor. We may be a tough crowd, but we're nothing compared to what he would face in the actual marketplace. It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school. He may well thank us one day. |
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How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking
business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. I don't think I'm the one who need to lighten up. And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. Not US, of course, but, surprising as it may be, the paddling sun does not rise and set on the 25 or so people who still post here. Steve Brian Nystrom wrote: Al K wrote: Steve Cramer wrote: Geez, cut the guy some slack, woodja? It's a school project, fercrissakes. He's not an inventor, he hasn't built any of these things, he and his classmates just got an idea and went to paddlers (what a concept!) to see if the idea had legs. Now he knows it doesn't. No need to beat him up. Steve Steve, I agree. Give him feedback but don't belittle him. Lighten up, will ya?. If anything, we're doing him a BIG favor. We may be a tough crowd, but we're nothing compared to what he would face in the actual marketplace. It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school. He may well thank us one day. |
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How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Hello??? I wrote "It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school.", so obviously I know he's a student. Wake up, will ya? Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. Did I say anything about sponsons? And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. That doesn't make them a good idea or a viable product. |
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On Apr 2, 8:10 am, Brian Nystrom wrote:
Steve Cramer wrote: How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Hello??? I wrote "It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school.", so obviously I know he's a student. Wake up, will ya? Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. Did I say anything about sponsons? And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. That doesn't make them a good idea or a viable product. You guys are so mean! I assumed that he was doing a marketing thing and suggested offfline that he interview kayakers and canoers on the Charles River and get some "real customer" responses- more interesting from beginners. I find it interesting that there are a lot of boat products being sold which with a bit of proficiency become obsolete to the user; really wide kayaks, canoes, rowing craft etc. But there are users who for a variety of reasons never "graduate" - lack of coordination, physically challenged including overweight or obese, etc. I do not know your profiles, but I would imagine you represent the top 5% of the paddling crowd. Think of how many people you represent who tried out a boat of some kind for awhile and then just faded away... Now THAT would be a really interesting research project... |
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Steve, how do you know he's "a freaking business student"?
O, yeh: you read it on the Internet. It's hard for me, today, to imagine how I would have behaved when I was 40 years younger and less-experienced, but I'm troubled by the fact that he hasn't come back and tried to engage any of us in our criticisms. I'd think, if he were really a student at a high-end university, and this were really a class project for credit, he would not have relplied -- hurt and puzzled, perhaps -- trying to find out what the h. we're going on about. I think it's all a set-up. Maybe by our friend, or maybe by someone else. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA .. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net .. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll .. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu .. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== On Apr 1, 9:05 pm, Steve Cramer wrote: How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. I don't think I'm the one who need to lighten up. And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. Not US, of course, but, surprising as it may be, the paddling sun does not rise and set on the 25 or so people who still post here. Steve Brian Nystrom wrote: Al K wrote: Steve Cramer wrote: Geez, cut the guy some slack, woodja? It's a school project, fercrissakes. He's not an inventor, he hasn't built any of these things, he and his classmates just got an idea and went to paddlers (what a concept!) to see if the idea had legs. Now he knows it doesn't. No need to beat him up. Steve Steve, I agree. Give him feedback but don't belittle him. Lighten up, will ya?. If anything, we're doing him a BIG favor. We may be a tough crowd, but we're nothing compared to what he would face in the actual marketplace. It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school. He may well thank us one day.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Hey, Elliott
I don't know if you've been back here to r.b.p to see the discussion engendered by your (so you thought) innocent request for information. If you haven't been, I suggest you do, and you'll learn a lot about your proposed product and even more about gathering information on Usenet. If you do make it back, let us know your reaction to the responses you've gotten here. Steve wrote: Hi everyone! My name is Elliott, and I am seeking the help of as many people as I can get. I'm doing a school project at Boston University and we need people to fill out a quick survey that will take about 3-4 minutes to fill out regarding a new product for kayaks. It is a special on-water training device. We are just trying to guage the public's reaction to the product. Thank you for any help you can give! Survey link he http://websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/34805/kayaksurvey.htm |
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Brian Nystrom wrote:
Steve Cramer wrote: How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Hello??? I wrote "It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school.", so obviously I know he's a student. Wake up, will ya? And what, exactly is the lesson? Don't ask questions in a newsgroup that has been sensitized by a wacko? Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. Did I say anything about sponsons? Did you need to? You may be the only one who didn't use the word. And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. That doesn't make them a good idea or a viable product. If you say so. You should be sure to get ahold of these guys http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm http://www.sailboatstogo.com/v_page....noe_outriggers http://www.huki.com/store/ and about a hundred outrigger canoe clubs and tell them they're wasting their time. Steve |
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You think this is a set-up by He-whose-name-must-not-be-spoken, Richard?
I think your tinfoil beanie is on a little too tight. ;) Judging from the responses, I'm NOT surprised he hasn't come back. Why would he want to spend time corresponding with a bunch of people who immediately jump to the conclusion that he's a fraud? A reasonable reaction would be "F*** you all and the canoes you paddled in on." You'll note that i explicitly invited him back. Perhaps we'll learn something if he responds. You may be right. Steve Oci-One Kanubi wrote: Steve, how do you know he's "a freaking business student"? O, yeh: you read it on the Internet. It's hard for me, today, to imagine how I would have behaved when I was 40 years younger and less-experienced, but I'm troubled by the fact that he hasn't come back and tried to engage any of us in our criticisms. I'd think, if he were really a student at a high-end university, and this were really a class project for credit, he would not have relplied -- hurt and puzzled, perhaps -- trying to find out what the h. we're going on about. I think it's all a set-up. Maybe by our friend, or maybe by someone else. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== On Apr 1, 9:05 pm, Steve Cramer wrote: How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. I don't think I'm the one who need to lighten up. And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. Not US, of course, but, surprising as it may be, the paddling sun does not rise and set on the 25 or so people who still post here. Steve Brian Nystrom wrote: Al K wrote: Steve Cramer wrote: Geez, cut the guy some slack, woodja? It's a school project, fercrissakes. He's not an inventor, he hasn't built any of these things, he and his classmates just got an idea and went to paddlers (what a concept!) to see if the idea had legs. Now he knows it doesn't. No need to beat him up. Steve Steve, I agree. Give him feedback but don't belittle him. Lighten up, will ya?. If anything, we're doing him a BIG favor. We may be a tough crowd, but we're nothing compared to what he would face in the actual marketplace. It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school. He may well thank us one day.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:09:00 -0400, Steve Cramer
wrote: You think this is a set-up by He-whose-name-must-not-be-spoken, Richard? I think your tinfoil beanie is on a little too tight. ;) Judging from the responses, I'm NOT surprised he hasn't come back. Why would he want to spend time corresponding with a bunch of people who immediately jump to the conclusion that he's a fraud? A reasonable reaction would be "F*** you all and the canoes you paddled in on." You'll note that i explicitly invited him back. Perhaps we'll learn something if he responds. You may be right. Steve I'm not surprized he's not come back, regardless of whether or not there were any comments in the group and whether or not those comments were good or bad (from his viewpoint). I get the impression, after being on many newsgroups that get an occasional one of these sorts of things that they really don't care about anything but turning in their survey for a grade. Their, in my opinion, worthless survey. They don't use anything like proper sampling methods and have some other faults. -- r.bc: vixen Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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Brian Nystrom wrote: Steve Cramer wrote: How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Hello??? I wrote "It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school.", so obviously I know he's a student. Wake up, will ya? And what, exactly is the lesson? Don't ask questions in a newsgroup that has been sensitized by a wacko? No, it's that you need to understand a product before you decide you can "improve" or "accessorize" it. I'll bet this guy has little or no experience in kayaks. Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. Did I say anything about sponsons? Did you need to? You may be the only one who didn't use the word. So what's your point? You're making the assumption that everyone here has simply reacted in a knee-jerk fashion due to Timmy's BS from years ago. Perhaps some have, but that's not the case with me. Your assumption is wrong. And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. That doesn't make them a good idea or a viable product. If you say so. You should be sure to get ahold of these guys http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm http://www.sailboatstogo.com/v_page....noe_outriggers http://www.huki.com/store/ and about a hundred outrigger canoe clubs and tell them they're wasting their time. Give me a break. We're not talking about outrigger canoes or any other kind of canoes, for that matter. The fact that there are already companies selling products into what must be a tiny market just means that there's even less room for a new one. It also indicates that the OP didn't even do basic market research before starting his "project". Otherwise, he would have asked about what we thought of his "improved" kayak stabilizer. The more I think about it, the more he seems like a lazy kid that wants someone else to do his homework for him. |
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On Apr 4, 6:26 am, Brian Nystrom wrote:
Steve Cramer wrote: Brian Nystrom wrote: Steve Cramer wrote: How many times can I say this? He is not a manufacturer. He's a freaking business student, who has just learned that it's a good idea to survey his target market. Hello??? I wrote "It's better that he takes few lumps and learns a valuable lesson about market research while he's still in school.", so obviously I know he's a student. Wake up, will ya? And what, exactly is the lesson? Don't ask questions in a newsgroup that has been sensitized by a wacko? No, it's that you need to understand a product before you decide you can "improve" or "accessorize" it. I'll bet this guy has little or no experience in kayaks. Gedanken experiment: how would you have answered if you hadn't had the Sp**son experience? Several people mentioned it specifically, which indicates that this guy caught a bunch of residual crap aimed at Timmy. Did I say anything about sponsons? Did you need to? You may be the only one who didn't use the word. So what's your point? You're making the assumption that everyone here has simply reacted in a knee-jerk fashion due to Timmy's BS from years ago. Perhaps some have, but that's not the case with me. Your assumption is wrong. And by the way, there are a number of brands of canoe and kayak flotation enhancers on the market, and guess what, people do buy them. That doesn't make them a good idea or a viable product. If you say so. You should be sure to get ahold of these guys http://www.castlecraft.com/stabilizers.htm http://www.sailboatstogo.com/v_page....noe_outriggers http://www.huki.com/store/ and about a hundred outrigger canoe clubs and tell them they're wasting their time. Give me a break. We're not talking about outrigger canoes or any other kind of canoes, for that matter. The fact that there are already companies selling products into what must be a tiny market just means that there's even less room for a new one. It also indicates that the OP didn't even do basic market research before starting his "project". Otherwise, he would have asked about what we thought of his "improved" kayak stabilizer. The more I think about it, the more he seems like a lazy kid that wants someone else to do his homework for him. Right, whatever you say, Brian. This is getting boring. Bye. Steve |
Hey everyone! Can you PLEASE help?
Brian Nystrom wrote:
Wilko wrote: wrote: My take was that it was a class in market research, and he was doing...um...research on whether this product would make it in the market. I took the survey and told him what I think of the product. Did anyone else? Yep, I did. :-) Me too. I also tried to, but his survey format lacked provisions to 'prefer to not answer' options. The question is, what will he do with the information? Does he have so much invested in the idea that he'll refuse to recognize that it's a farce and plow ahead undaunted by reality, or will he see the light and write it off as a learning experience? Given that his lowest option on his price point question is twice as much as what many consumers will probably perceive as competitive products, the answer to that should be obvious. He also could have learned a lot on survey question design, but failing to interact on that is another lost opportunity for him. I wonder if we'll ever know??? IMO, unlikely. -hh -- (a rec.scuba regular; we got the same survey request too...but you guys had a more interesting discussion on it g) |
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