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Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision
in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
Chuck Gould wrote:
According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-) |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-) Don't know how we could live without the Academy Awards. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-) Don't know how we could live without the Academy Awards. They'd just be held in Denver.... |
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On Feb 27, 2:56�pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ws.com... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! *Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I mentioned in my just-finished editorial on this same issue, ("Don't Pump the Baby out with the Bilge Water") we can't even "escape" without a permit! After all, starting that engine to migrate to a saner political environment would result in the discharge of cooling water. |
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On Feb 27, 3:22�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! *Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. *;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. And just what would the remaining 45 contiguous states do if they lost the three states that raise the average national IQ nearly 15 points and represent about 20% of the wealth? :-) ("Celebrate" is not the answer I have in mind). :-) |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:22�pm, "JimH" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! �Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. �;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. And just what would the remaining 45 contiguous states do if they lost the three states that raise the average national IQ nearly 15 points and represent about 20% of the wealth? :-) ("Celebrate" is not the answer I have in mind). :-) Celebrate would be cruel. Laughing our collective asses off seems more appropriate. |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 27, 3:22?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. =============== Yep. And so left you are. |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 27, 3:22?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. And just what would the remaining 45 contiguous states do if they lost the three states that raise the average national IQ nearly 15 points and represent about 20% of the wealth? :-) ================ Gain back common sense, morals and integrity. ;-) |
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PTOOY!
Yes officer, here's my permit for that (elevates middle finger....) JR Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 27, 3:22?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. And just what would the remaining 45 contiguous states do if they lost the three states that raise the average national IQ nearly 15 points and represent about 20% of the wealth? :-) ================ Gain back common sense, morals and integrity. ;-) How would an OSU guy know about these things? |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
"CalifBill" wrote in message ink.net... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 27, 3:22?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. And just what would the remaining 45 contiguous states do if they lost the three states that raise the average national IQ nearly 15 points and represent about 20% of the wealth? :-) ================ Gain back common sense, morals and integrity. ;-) How would an OSU guy know about these things? Because I live in real America.....not in the lala land of granola, tofu and Nancy Pelosi. ;-) |
Don't wash or start your boat without a permit?
"JimH" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message ink.net... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 27, 3:22?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. Oh goodie!! Another useless, unenforceable law. Y'all better move on up to Canada while you have a chance. We are hoping our *left coast* breaks away from the US mainland and floats away. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So right you are. And just what would the remaining 45 contiguous states do if they lost the three states that raise the average national IQ nearly 15 points and represent about 20% of the wealth? :-) ================ Gain back common sense, morals and integrity. ;-) How would an OSU guy know about these things? Because I live in real America.....not in the lala land of granola, tofu and Nancy Pelosi. ;-) OSU, penitentiary state U,is real America? |
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On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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JLH wrote:
If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=1143 Figures. |
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On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote:
On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rough draft of my comments in next month's issue of the magazine follows. Fair warning to anyone considering wading in, it makes a long post so if yo don't have a couple of minutes you might want to skip it.... Don't Pump the Baby Out with the Bilge Water Maybe we should send up a collective flare and hope that somebody will notice. Once again it appears that well-intentioned Great and Powerful Wizards (please pay no mind to that man behind the curtain) have entirely overlooked the interests of pleasure boaters while seeking to protect the environment. A recent court decision in a lawsuit filed against the US Environmental Protection Agency by a Portland, Oregon group known as the Northwest Environmental Advocates could potentially require all pleasure boaters to purchase "discharge permits" from state governments. The newly regulated discharges in question have nothing to do with untreated human waste, engine oil, trash and garbage, or other nasty stuff that any responsible boater will voluntarily contain and dispose of appropriately ashore. Anything passing from a boat into the surrounding waters will be considered a discharge. Want to wash your boat? You will need a permit for the wash and rinse water to "discharge" through your scuppers and into the sound. Too much water in the bilge? Too bad. You may not be able to switch on that bilge pump without a state permit. So fed up that you're ready to start your engine and motor off to some country with more reasonable regulations? Not so fast, that cooling water cycling through the raw water side of your system becomes a "discharge". (We won't even be allowed to escape without a permit!) Despite the draconian potential effects of the legal ruling, there wasn't actually a conspiracy against pleasure boaters. The Northwest Environmental Advocates sued to address a worthy issue: the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels in US ports. Ships entering American waters from overseas ports often travel with enormous amounts of water in the bilge to serve as ballast. Unfortunately, when a ship takes on ballast water huge numbers of marine plants and animals are scooped up in the process and will be released whenever and wherever the vessel pumps its bilges. Most of the foreign organisms die in the new environment, but certain species discover that they have been introduced to an area where they have no natural predators. With natural balance disrupted, many of these immigrant life forms (such as the zebra mussel) tend to compete too efficiently for food and habitat and can ultimately eliminate native species that have long served as integral links in important eco-system relationships. A new species supplanting a native species may no longer be considered edible by predators higher on the food chain. Organisms at the top of the food chain (such as humans), have a vested interest in sustaining a healthy eco-system with co-dependent plants and animals that thrive in the local environment. The Northwest Environmental Advocates demanded that states issue permits to any vessel planning to discharge into waters of the state. Presumably, the states aren't going to issue permits to all applicants without some level of prior inspection, and perhaps even requiring that a state inspector be on hand when the material in question is being discharged. When the court ruled in favor of the Northwest Environmental Advocates, it omitted any specification that the ruling applied only to commercial shipping. Similar previous regulations have always specifically exempted recreational boaters, but no such exemption is included in the regulations mandated by the court decision. The court specifically ordered the EPA to rescind its previous exemption from permit and regulation those discharges "incidental to the normal operation of a vessel". States typically lack the will, and most certainly lack the manpower, to enforce a regulation that would require pleasure boaters to apply for permits prior to starting an engine, pumping a bilge, taking a shower, or washing the highway and industrial soot from the house and decks. Washington State alone would need thousands, if not tens of thousands, of inspectors and permit processors to monitor every single discharge of any material from all vessels of any description. The law would be routinely ignored, but perhaps not entirely. The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Most boaters make conscientious environmental choices. The few that persist in dumping holding tanks in inland waters or pumping the bilge after an oil change "accident", deserve to be ostracized by the responsible majority. Our recreational enjoyment depends upon maintaining acceptably clean waterways and a healthy fishery. Environmental activists on the radical fringes of that movement would do well to recognize that the average pleasure boater isn't a serious threat to the eco-system. We can indeed send up a flare by contacting our congressional representatives and urging them to exempt pleasure vessels from the court ruling mandating that all vessels apply for discharge permits. Let's not pump the baby out with the bilge water. |
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beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen
everywhere Isn't that what blotter is for? |
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On 28 Feb 2007 08:02:59 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: We can indeed send up a flare by contacting our congressional representatives and urging them to exempt pleasure vessels from the court ruling mandating that all vessels apply for discharge permits. Let's not pump the baby out with the bilge water. Is there a piece of legislation on this matter before Congress now? If so, could you be more specific as to its title? That would be a help to those who may want to follow your advice. Thanks. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Feb 28, 9:10?am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere Isn't that what blotter is for? These days my interest seems to be more aligned with oxalyic than blotter. :-) |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote: On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rough draft of my comments in next month's issue of the magazine follows. Fair warning to anyone considering wading in, it makes a long post so if yo don't have a couple of minutes you might want to skip it.... Don't Pump the Baby Out with the Bilge Water Maybe we should send up a collective flare and hope that somebody will notice. Once again it appears that well-intentioned Great and Powerful Wizards (please pay no mind to that man behind the curtain) have entirely overlooked the interests of pleasure boaters while seeking to protect the environment. A recent court decision in a lawsuit filed against the US Environmental Protection Agency by a Portland, Oregon group known as the Northwest Environmental Advocates could potentially require all pleasure boaters to purchase "discharge permits" from state governments. The newly regulated discharges in question have nothing to do with untreated human waste, engine oil, trash and garbage, or other nasty stuff that any responsible boater will voluntarily contain and dispose of appropriately ashore. Anything passing from a boat into the surrounding waters will be considered a discharge. Want to wash your boat? You will need a permit for the wash and rinse water to "discharge" through your scuppers and into the sound. Too much water in the bilge? Too bad. You may not be able to switch on that bilge pump without a state permit. So fed up that you're ready to start your engine and motor off to some country with more reasonable regulations? Not so fast, that cooling water cycling through the raw water side of your system becomes a "discharge". (We won't even be allowed to escape without a permit!) Despite the draconian potential effects of the legal ruling, there wasn't actually a conspiracy against pleasure boaters. The Northwest Environmental Advocates sued to address a worthy issue: the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels in US ports. Ships entering American waters from overseas ports often travel with enormous amounts of water in the bilge to serve as ballast. Unfortunately, when a ship takes on ballast water huge numbers of marine plants and animals are scooped up in the process and will be released whenever and wherever the vessel pumps its bilges. Most of the foreign organisms die in the new environment, but certain species discover that they have been introduced to an area where they have no natural predators. With natural balance disrupted, many of these immigrant life forms (such as the zebra mussel) tend to compete too efficiently for food and habitat and can ultimately eliminate native species that have long served as integral links in important eco-system relationships. A new species supplanting a native species may no longer be considered edible by predators higher on the food chain. Organisms at the top of the food chain (such as humans), have a vested interest in sustaining a healthy eco-system with co-dependent plants and animals that thrive in the local environment. The Northwest Environmental Advocates demanded that states issue permits to any vessel planning to discharge into waters of the state. Presumably, the states aren't going to issue permits to all applicants without some level of prior inspection, and perhaps even requiring that a state inspector be on hand when the material in question is being discharged. When the court ruled in favor of the Northwest Environmental Advocates, it omitted any specification that the ruling applied only to commercial shipping. Similar previous regulations have always specifically exempted recreational boaters, but no such exemption is included in the regulations mandated by the court decision. The court specifically ordered the EPA to rescind its previous exemption from permit and regulation those discharges "incidental to the normal operation of a vessel". States typically lack the will, and most certainly lack the manpower, to enforce a regulation that would require pleasure boaters to apply for permits prior to starting an engine, pumping a bilge, taking a shower, or washing the highway and industrial soot from the house and decks. Washington State alone would need thousands, if not tens of thousands, of inspectors and permit processors to monitor every single discharge of any material from all vessels of any description. The law would be routinely ignored, but perhaps not entirely. The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Most boaters make conscientious environmental choices. The few that persist in dumping holding tanks in inland waters or pumping the bilge after an oil change "accident", deserve to be ostracized by the responsible majority. Our recreational enjoyment depends upon maintaining acceptably clean waterways and a healthy fishery. Environmental activists on the radical fringes of that movement would do well to recognize that the average pleasure boater isn't a serious threat to the eco-system. We can indeed send up a flare by contacting our congressional representatives and urging them to exempt pleasure vessels from the court ruling mandating that all vessels apply for discharge permits. Let's not pump the baby out with the bilge water. This is the world as Chuckie sees it. Love it or leave it. Jeeze! |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:05:38 GMT, "Jim" wrote:
Snippage Most boaters make conscientious environmental choices. The few that persist in dumping holding tanks in inland waters or pumping the bilge after an oil change "accident", deserve to be ostracized by the responsible majority. Our recreational enjoyment depends upon maintaining acceptably clean waterways and a healthy fishery. Environmental activists on the radical fringes of that movement would do well to recognize that the average pleasure boater isn't a serious threat to the eco-system. We can indeed send up a flare by contacting our congressional representatives and urging them to exempt pleasure vessels from the court ruling mandating that all vessels apply for discharge permits. Let's not pump the baby out with the bilge water. This is the world as Chuckie sees it. Love it or leave it. Jeeze! What prompted that bit of wisdom? Did you bother to read the post? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote: On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Another story for you Chuck: http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/ Don't worry......idiotic decisions from your wacko left coast Federal District judges and Appeals Courts are eventually overturned once taken to a higher court and common sense takes hold. Breath in..........breath out.............breath in.........breath out............ ;-) |
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Jim wrote:
We can indeed send up a flare by contacting our congressional representatives and urging them to exempt pleasure vessels from the court ruling mandating that all vessels apply for discharge permits. Let's not pump the baby out with the bilge water. This is the world as Chuckie sees it. Love it or leave it. Jeeze! There is nothing unusual about Chuck's post, what in the world are you talking about? Should voters not contact their congressmen when they think a law is unreasonable? |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. CalifBill wrote: http://www.boatblue.org/ another link to the law. Which District Court was this? See JLH. |
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On Feb 28, 2:05�pm, "Jim" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote: On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The rough draft of my comments in next month's issue of the magazine follows. Fair warning to anyone considering wading in, it makes a long post so if yo don't have a couple of minutes you might want to skip it.... Don't Pump the Baby Out with the Bilge Water Maybe we should send up a collective flare and hope that somebody will notice. Once again it appears that well-intentioned Great and Powerful Wizards (please pay no mind to that man behind the curtain) have entirely overlooked the interests of pleasure boaters while seeking to protect the environment. A recent court decision in a lawsuit filed against the US Environmental Protection Agency by a Portland, Oregon group known as the Northwest Environmental Advocates could potentially require all pleasure boaters to purchase "discharge permits" from state governments. The newly regulated discharges in question have nothing to do with untreated human waste, engine oil, trash and garbage, or other nasty stuff that any responsible boater will voluntarily contain and dispose of appropriately ashore. *Anything passing from a boat into the surrounding waters will be considered a discharge. Want to wash your boat? You will need a permit for the wash and rinse water to "discharge" through your scuppers and into the sound. Too much water in the bilge? Too bad. You may not be able to switch on that bilge pump without a state permit. So fed up that you're ready to start your engine and motor off to some country with more reasonable regulations? Not so fast, that cooling water cycling through the raw water side of your system becomes a "discharge". (We won't even be allowed to escape without a permit!) Despite the draconian potential effects of the legal ruling, there wasn't actually a conspiracy against pleasure boaters. The Northwest Environmental Advocates sued to address a worthy issue: the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels in US ports. Ships entering American waters from overseas ports often travel with enormous amounts of water in the bilge to serve as ballast. Unfortunately, when a ship takes on ballast water huge numbers of marine plants and animals are scooped up in the process and will be released whenever and wherever the vessel pumps its bilges. Most of the foreign organisms die in the new environment, but certain species discover that they have been introduced to an area where they have no natural predators. With natural balance disrupted, many of these immigrant life forms (such as the zebra mussel) tend to compete too efficiently for food and habitat and can ultimately eliminate native species that have long served as integral links in important eco-system relationships. *A new species supplanting a native species may no longer be considered edible by predators higher on the food chain. Organisms at the top of the food chain (such as humans), have a vested interest in sustaining a healthy eco-system with co-dependent plants and animals that thrive in the local environment. The Northwest Environmental Advocates demanded that states issue permits to any vessel planning to discharge into waters of the state. Presumably, the states aren't going to issue permits to all applicants without some level of prior inspection, and perhaps even requiring that a state inspector be on hand when the material in question is being discharged. When the court ruled in favor of the Northwest Environmental Advocates, it omitted any specification that the ruling applied only to commercial shipping. Similar previous regulations have always specifically exempted recreational boaters, but no such exemption is included in the regulations mandated by the court decision. The court specifically ordered the EPA to rescind its previous exemption from permit and regulation those discharges "incidental to the normal operation of a vessel". States typically lack the will, and most certainly lack the manpower, to enforce a regulation that would require pleasure boaters to apply for permits prior to starting an engine, pumping a bilge, taking a shower, or washing the highway and industrial soot from the house and decks. Washington State alone would need thousands, if not tens of thousands, of inspectors and permit processors to monitor every single discharge of any material from all vessels of any description. The law would be routinely ignored, but perhaps not entirely. The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Most boaters make conscientious environmental choices. The few that persist in dumping holding tanks in inland waters or pumping the bilge after an oil change "accident", deserve to be ostracized by the responsible majority. Our recreational enjoyment depends upon maintaining acceptably clean waterways and a healthy fishery. Environmental activists on the radical fringes of that movement would do well to recognize that the average pleasure boater isn't a serious threat to the eco-system. We can indeed send up a flare by contacting our congressional representatives and urging them to exempt pleasure vessels from the court ruling mandating that all vessels apply for discharge permits. Let's not pump the baby out with the bilge water. This is the world as Chuckie sees it. Love it or leave it. Jeeze!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ????????? If you are in favor of a ruling that no longer exempts pleasure vessels or exempts "discharges incidental to the normal operation of a vessel", why not state your case rather than launch a personal attack? If you prefer a system where you must apply to the state for a permit to start your engine or pump your bilge, come right out and say so. I'm not the enemy here. |
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On Feb 28, 3:27�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote: On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Another story for you Chuck: * *http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/ Don't worry......idiotic decisions from your wacko left coast Federal District judges and Appeals Courts are eventually overturned once taken to a higher court and common sense takes hold. Breath in..........breath out.............breath in.........breath out............ *;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing of substance to add, so you settle for a personal attack. Predictable. You and Florida Jim would be against free beer if I appeared to be in favor of it. :-) Perhaps you should send a copy of the Chicken Little story to the National Marine Marketers Association, JimH. They are extremely concerned about the potential consequences of the ruling, and if you actually gave a damn about boating you would be as well. Rather than have this drag through a series of courts hoping for the "right" judge to set it straight, Congress can simply and specifically empower the EPA to exempt the normal discharges incidental to the normal opertion of a pleasure boat. |
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On 28 Feb 2007 23:13:50 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: You and Florida Jim would be against free beer if I appeared to be in favor of it. :-) Hey, I'm with you Chuck - I'm for free beer and I don't even drink beer. "Whiskey for my men, Beer for my horses!!" Rather than have this drag through a series of courts hoping for the "right" judge to set it straight, Congress can simply and specifically empower the EPA to exempt the normal discharges incidental to the normal operation of a pleasure boat. I had a very interesting conversation yesterday with an aide to our local Congressional Representative and here's what I came away with (I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but the intent is exact). "Um...I don't understand. You mean that a ruling in California can effect people in Connecticut?" God as my witness, that's what his aide said. We are doomed. Time to move to Australia where they at least like boaters and don't believe in Global Warming. :) |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 28, 3:27?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote: On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Another story for you Chuck: http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/ Don't worry......idiotic decisions from your wacko left coast Federal District judges and Appeals Courts are eventually overturned once taken to a higher court and common sense takes hold. Breath in..........breath out.............breath in.........breath out............ ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You and Florida Jim would be against free beer if I appeared to be in favor of it. :-) =========================== Free beer? Yahoo! |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 28, 3:27?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 28, 4:48 am, JLH wrote: On 27 Feb 2007 09:14:25 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: According to an item in the Marine Business Journal, a legal decision in a lawsuit pressed by a group called "Northwest Envionmental Advocates" has potential implications for every pleasure boater operating in US waters. In an effort to prohibit the discharge of ballast water from foreign vessels (and reduce the liklihood of introducing foreign plants and animals to local eco-systems) the Environmental Advocates sucessfully argued that any vessel discharging any liquid or material of any type must first obtain a permit from the state in which the discharge is going to take place. (As a condition of granting the permit, most states will demand the right to inspect the vessel, ensure that all available pollution controls are installed and properly maintained, and may even want to monitor the discharge- at the vessel's expense). One small oversight: Unlike previous versions of similar regulations, the legal ruling does not exempt pleasure vessels from the requirement to obtain a discharge permit. As a result, everything from cooling water cycling through an engine to water running off of a deck can be considered a "discharge" and is technically subject to state permit! The NMMA is lobbying congress for a revision of the law. If one is so inclined, the order can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/3dm2o8 Interesting reading. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - The potential risk is that some zealous environmental extremist could seize upon the court's oversight. In the ultimate fantasies of some fanatics, the waters of the Pacific NW would be unsullied by any human activity afloat. Leaping salmon, cavorting porpoises, and spouting whales wouldn't be obliged to dodge around any boats or ships, (with a possible exception for limited numbers of extensively regulated and duly licensed kayaks, of course). It would never rain, the sun would never set, beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen everywhere, and the gentle breezes would always be warm. With a glaring defect in the newly refined law, the opportunity remains for such an extremist to seek a court injunction or other legal avenue to disrupt pleasure boating. Another story for you Chuck: http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/ Don't worry......idiotic decisions from your wacko left coast Federal District judges and Appeals Courts are eventually overturned once taken to a higher court and common sense takes hold. Breath in..........breath out.............breath in.........breath out............ ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nothing of substance to add, so you settle for a personal attack. Predictable. You and Florida Jim would be against free beer if I appeared to be in favor of it. :-) Perhaps you should send a copy of the Chicken Little story to the National Marine Marketers Association, JimH. They are extremely concerned about the potential consequences of the ruling, and if you actually gave a damn about boating you would be as well. ======================== Even though I like boating I could give a rats ass what the National Marine Marketers Association thinks. |
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On Mar 1, 5:51?am, "JimH" wrote:
Even though I like boating I could give a rats ass what the National Marine Marketers Association thinks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then express that thought, rather than play childish games and try to start a flame war. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 1, 5:51?am, "JimH" wrote: Even though I like boating I could give a rats ass what the National Marine Marketers Association thinks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then express that thought, rather than play childish games and try to start a flame war. There was no flame war Chuck. Relax. |
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On Mar 1, 6:23�am, "JimH" wrote:
There was no flame war Chuck. *Relax. "Not I," said the Little Red Hen. |
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beribboned unicorns and Technicolor rainbows would be seen
everywhere Isn't that what blotter is for? These days my interest seems to be more aligned with oxalyic than blotter. :-) heh, but lysergic was so much more fun... |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ps.com... On Mar 1, 6:23?am, "JimH" wrote: There was no flame war Chuck. Relax. "Not I," said the Little Red Hen. ========== Whatever. Have a nice evening Chuck. ;-) |
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