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One of my business contacts is putting the finishing touches on a plan
to host an endurance and efficiency trial over Memorial Day Weekend.
The course will run from Everett, Washington to Ketchikan, Alaska
(about 700 miles)...and back! Participants must complete the run in 72
hours, and burn no more than 500 gallons of fuel.

This began as a plan for a publicity stunt done with a single boat,
but as word has leaked out owners of and dealers for competing brands
of boats are expressing interest in participating. A publication with
which I am associated has signed on as a sponsor.

I've been invited to go along, but I don't know if 72 hours of hard
running is my idea of a good time. Even so, this will be an
interesting event. The orignator of this idea swears he has a boat
that can do it, but it seems like a stretch. My guess is that some
boats will drop out along the way for various reasons and that only a
few will be able to stay within the 500 gallon fuel allowance. It will
be interesting as well to see if anybody finshes in the 72 hours.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
One of my business contacts is putting the finishing touches on a plan
to host an endurance and efficiency trial over Memorial Day Weekend.
The course will run from Everett, Washington to Ketchikan, Alaska
(about 700 miles)...and back! Participants must complete the run in 72
hours, and burn no more than 500 gallons of fuel.

That's 1.4 gallons per mile and an average speed of roughly 9.8 knots -
call it 10 mph.

What's the prize? And what's the size and weight limitations?

Hmmmm - 700 miles, 500 gallons of gas - 72 hours...

Heh, heh, heh.

Depending on the prize, it might be worth driving out there.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
One of my business contacts is putting the finishing touches on a plan
to host an endurance and efficiency trial over Memorial Day Weekend.
The course will run from Everett, Washington to Ketchikan, Alaska
(about 700 miles)...and back! Participants must complete the run in 72
hours, and burn no more than 500 gallons of fuel.

That's 1.4 gallons per mile and an average speed of roughly 9.8 knots -
call it 10 mph.

What's the prize? And what's the size and weight limitations?

Hmmmm - 700 miles, 500 gallons of gas - 72 hours...

Heh, heh, heh.

Depending on the prize, it might be worth driving out there.


700 miles or 1400 miles? I took it to be 700 miles .... one way.

Mrs. E's GB could just about make it ... but not in 72 hours or less.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
One of my business contacts is putting the finishing touches on a plan
to host an endurance and efficiency trial over Memorial Day Weekend.
The course will run from Everett, Washington to Ketchikan, Alaska
(about 700 miles)...and back! Participants must complete the run in 72
hours, and burn no more than 500 gallons of fuel.
That's 1.4 gallons per mile and an average speed of roughly 9.8 knots -
call it 10 mph.

What's the prize? And what's the size and weight limitations?

Hmmmm - 700 miles, 500 gallons of gas - 72 hours...

Heh, heh, heh.

Depending on the prize, it might be worth driving out there.

700 miles or 1400 miles? I took it to be 700 miles .... one way.

Mrs. E's GB could just about make it ... but not in 72 hours or less.

1400 miles in 72 hours? That's about 20 mph average.

That's why I'm curious about the size and weight rules. I could do it
in the Ranger with gas and time to spare. :)

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On Feb 24, 12:26�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
Chuck Gould wrote:
One of my business contacts is putting the finishing touches on a plan
to host an endurance and efficiency trial over Memorial Day Weekend.
The course will run from Everett, Washington to Ketchikan, Alaska
(about 700 miles)...and back! Participants must complete the run in 72
hours, and burn no more than 500 gallons of fuel.
That's 1.4 gallons per mile and an average speed of roughly 9.8 knots -
call it 10 mph.

What's the prize? *And what's the size and weight limitations?

Hmmmm - 700 miles, 500 gallons of gas - 72 hours...

Heh, heh, heh.

Depending on the prize, it might be worth driving out there.

700 miles or 1400 miles? *I took it to be 700 miles .... one way.

Mrs. E's GB could just about make it ... but not in 72 hours or less.

1400 miles in 72 hours? *That's about 20 mph average.

That's why *I'm curious about the size and weight rules. *I could do it
in the Ranger with gas and time to spare. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's approximately 1400 miles, and as far as I know there are no size
or weight limitations. The challenge is to make the run in 72 hours or
less and use no more than 500 gallons of fuel. There are boats that
could do 8 hours or so each way- but probably at closer to 5000
gallons than 500, :-)

A fair stretch of the run is pretty exposed and there won't be an
opportunity to wait for a weather window, so if the weather is snotty
between Prince Rupert and Ketchikan an extremely lightweight boat will
have a tough time of it. If it's just way too crazy, I would expect
most people would bag it rather than take a serious risk of coming to
ruin. Number one priority will be getting everybody back home safely.

Prizes will be trophies, hats, tee-shirts, bragging rights and (of
value to the dealers and manufacturers) the claim to the number one
spot. It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll be running a lot of
publicity in the magazine, and I think some of the local broadcast
media may pick this story up as weill.

If you seriously think you might consider participating, send me an
email and I will respond to you with contact information that would
put you in touch with the organizer of the event. (Don't want to
offend the "spam" sensitive)

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Chuck Gould wrote:

If you seriously think you might consider participating, send me an
email and I will respond to you with contact information that would
put you in touch with the organizer of the event. (Don't want to
offend the "spam" sensitive)

I was just joking around - there's no way I'd try it in the Ranger on
those waters.

I do know somebody who might be interested though. He's got a 28'
Blackfin on a trailer wth twin 200 HO ETECS like mine. I'll bet he
would be interested.

I'll give him a call this afternoon.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

If you seriously think you might consider participating, send me an
email and I will respond to you with contact information that would
put you in touch with the organizer of the event. (Don't want to
offend the "spam" sensitive)

I was just joking around - there's no way I'd try it in the Ranger on
those waters.

I do know somebody who might be interested though. He's got a 28'
Blackfin on a trailer wth twin 200 HO ETECS like mine. I'll bet he
would be interested.

I'll give him a call this afternoon.

Iceboating in the Pacific NW?

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On 24 Feb 2007 23:36:21 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

We'll be running a lot of
publicity in the magazine, and I think some of the local broadcast
media may pick this story up as weill.

There might be some liability risks to encouraging a bunch of folks to
go offshore. I've had quite a lot of experience with offshore ocean
racing in sailboats. The sponsors of these events are extremely
safety concious to the point of having a mandated list of safety
equipment and boat design features, crew and captain experience
requirements with resumes, documented SSB radio checks, certified
liferafts, and compulsory safety inspections.

The terms of this "rally" seem heavily slanted to a certain kind of
boat, probably power cats. Everyone else might as well stay home.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 23:36:21 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

We'll be running a lot of
publicity in the magazine, and I think some of the local broadcast
media may pick this story up as weill.

There might be some liability risks to encouraging a bunch of folks to
go offshore. I've had quite a lot of experience with offshore ocean
racing in sailboats. The sponsors of these events are extremely
safety concious to the point of having a mandated list of safety
equipment and boat design features, crew and captain experience
requirements with resumes, documented SSB radio checks, certified
liferafts, and compulsory safety inspections.

Good point.

The terms of this "rally" seem heavily slanted to a certain kind of
boat, probably power cats. Everyone else might as well stay home.

Interesting you should mention that. I was just talking to my buddy
with the Blackfin about this and he thought much the same. We were
chatting about engines and I'm the side of outboards and he's thinking
some small block I/O setup because it fit the parameters of speed and
milage while I'm on the side of beating the parameters.

I'd love to know.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 23:36:21 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

We'll be running a lot of
publicity in the magazine, and I think some of the local broadcast
media may pick this story up as weill.

There might be some liability risks to encouraging a bunch of folks to
go offshore. I've had quite a lot of experience with offshore ocean
racing in sailboats. The sponsors of these events are extremely
safety concious to the point of having a mandated list of safety
equipment and boat design features, crew and captain experience
requirements with resumes, documented SSB radio checks, certified
liferafts, and compulsory safety inspections.

Good point.

The terms of this "rally" seem heavily slanted to a certain kind of
boat, probably power cats. Everyone else might as well stay home.

Interesting you should mention that. I was just talking to my buddy
with the Blackfin about this and he thought much the same. We were
chatting about engines and I'm the side of outboards and he's thinking
some small block I/O setup because it fit the parameters of speed and
milage while I'm on the side of beating the parameters.

I'd love to know.


Speaking of blackfin, the company, or at least a company using the name
is back in business.

http://www.blackfinboats.com/

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Speaking of blackfin, the company, or at least a company using the name is
back in business.

http://www.blackfinboats.com/


I always liked the original Blackfins and know several people who have the
sportsfishing models. (one converted from twin 454 gassers to diesels).

I am curious if this "new" Blackfin Co. intends to build in-boards as well
as the outboard models shown on the website. It may be a case where, like
Century who is owned by Yamaha I believe, the name was purchased and boats
are being built simply as platforms for engines.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Speaking of blackfin, the company, or at least a company using the name is
back in business.

http://www.blackfinboats.com/


I always liked the original Blackfins and know several people who have the
sportsfishing models. (one converted from twin 454 gassers to diesels).

I am curious if this "new" Blackfin Co. intends to build in-boards as well
as the outboard models shown on the website. It may be a case where, like
Century who is owned by Yamaha I believe, the name was purchased and boats
are being built simply as platforms for engines.

Eisboch




I echo your feelings for the original blackfins, which to me seemed to
be the successors to the earlier Bertrams. Most of the newer sportfish
boats these days seem to be in the condo vein, rather than the offshore
sportfish vein.

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:55:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

We were
chatting about engines and I'm the side of outboards and he's thinking
some small block I/O setup because it fit the parameters of speed and
milage while I'm on the side of beating the parameters.

Most small block I/Os that I'm familiar with get around 2 nmpg, maybe
2 1/2 on a good day. Those boats are way too small to cruise on big
water for 1400 miles without getting beat up pretty badly.

I think a power cat around 30 ft with diesels is about right but even
they would need a halfway decent weather window for the offshore part
of the trip.

Anything much bigger than that will either not have the speed or not
have the fuel economy.

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:03:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I echo your feelings for the original blackfins, which to me seemed to
be the successors to the earlier Bertrams. Most of the newer sportfish
boats these days seem to be in the condo vein, rather than the offshore
sportfish vein.

One of my neighbors down the canal had a real sweet looking Flybridge
Blackfin for sale last year. It looked a lot like a Bertram 31.
Unfortunately it had small gas engines with a lot of hours and it was
just crying out for an expensive repower with diesels.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:55:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

We were
chatting about engines and I'm the side of outboards and he's thinking
some small block I/O setup because it fit the parameters of speed and
milage while I'm on the side of beating the parameters.

Most small block I/Os that I'm familiar with get around 2 nmpg, maybe
2 1/2 on a good day. Those boats are way too small to cruise on big
water for 1400 miles without getting beat up pretty badly.

I think a power cat around 30 ft with diesels is about right but even
they would need a halfway decent weather window for the offshore part
of the trip.

Anything much bigger than that will either not have the speed or not
have the fuel economy.

Could be.

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On Feb 25, 9:32?am, Wayne.B wrote:

I think a power cat around 30 ft with diesels is about right but even
they would need a halfway decent weather window for the offshore part
of the trip.


Excellent deduction. :-)

This whole idea started off as a one-boat publicity stunt for a
particular brand of power cat, but others are apparently eager to join
in.

By the end of May, there's probably a 65%-70% chance of at least
passable weather.

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On 25 Feb 2007 22:44:49 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

By the end of May, there's probably a 65%-70% chance of at least
passable weather.

Would you fly on a plane with a 65 to 70% chance of arriving safely?

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On Feb 26, 7:02?am, Wayne.B wrote:
On 25 Feb 2007 22:44:49 -0800, "Chuck Gould"

wrote:
By the end of May, there's probably a 65%-70% chance of at least
passable weather.

Would you fly on a plane with a 65 to 70% chance of arriving safely?

"Passable" was not the best choice of words.

There's a 65-70% chance of making a comfortable passage.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On 25 Feb 2007 22:44:49 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

By the end of May, there's probably a 65%-70% chance of at least
passable weather.

Would you fly on a plane with a 65 to 70% chance of arriving safely?

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:25:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

I thought you marines were made of tougher stuff?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:25:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

I thought you marines were made of tougher stuff?

Landing craft, LST's, LPD, LHA's there are safer ways to travel.

But, with planes you need to get out of them before they land. The bad
stuff happens on landing.

A-9639,C-19201,D-12373,SL-I-95,AFF-I-95

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:25:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

I thought you marines were made of tougher stuff?

He is beginning to sound like is a pansy.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:25:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

I thought you marines were made of tougher stuff?

That's why I kept jumping out of them.

Didn't trust 'em. :)

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:25:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

I thought you marines were made of tougher stuff?

He is beginning to sound like is a pansy.

Smithers this, Pansy Boy...

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:25:48 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wouldn't fly on a plane with a 100% chance of arriving safely.

I thought you marines were made of tougher stuff?

He is beginning to sound like is a pansy.

Smithers this, Pansy Boy...

I can't be a Pansy Boy, I fly all the time. ;)