is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

Hi all,

I took the boat out today and everything went fine. When I got home
and tried to start the engine again to flush it. It wouldn't start.
I took off the cowling and trid several times, the starter would spin
but wouldn't jump up to engage the flywheel.

1. Is it time to replace the starter or is it salvagable?
2. what could have cause this demise?
3. if the starter needs replacement, is this a pretty easy job?
anything I should watch out for?I've ordered a generic manual-on-cd
that covers this engine and should be getting soon.

the engine is a 1983 envirude 90 hp. It ran really good today though,
doing 35 mph.

thanks in advance.

s o

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.


I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

"s o" wrote in message
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On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.


I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

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You can buy just the Bendix gear on most starters. Look up Starter /
Generator shops in the Yellow pages and they will fix it for a lot less than
$120.

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

On Feb 6, 10:07 am, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007 09:41:13 -0800, "s o" wrote:



On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.

I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

There is a spring that tends to hold it down but you should be able to
move it. I would keep trying to free it up. I bet you had some
corrosion in there that piled up and jammed the gear. Bear in mind it
has to follow that spiral cut in the shaft. If you take the starter
off you can get at it better. WD 40 would not be my first choice. Try
not to get too much in the bearing at the top of the starter. That
will leach out the lubrication in the bearing. I would be using a
light machine oil in moderation


I could turn the gear in either direction freely by hand, does that
indicate the drive is broken? thanks

s o

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

while you're turning the drive gear, you're probably also turning the
armature shaft.

OK, try this. take a light hammer or wrench and tap the bendix in the
direction it should spin, and see if it will break loose, and coil up
to the flywheel freely. if so, then spray it good under the drive on
the spiral splines on the shaft. then, quickly spin the drive back
down to it's reset position, and see if it still sticks. If so, tap it
loose again, and spray again. repeat this 4 or five times till it
rotates freely up and down the shaft.

I really don't think you need to buy anything. and $120.00 for a new
one? thats plenty, even for internet sales. I can get you one a heck
of a lot cheaper than that. But you still don't need a new starter.


s o wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:07 am, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007 09:41:13 -0800, "s o" wrote:



On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.

I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

There is a spring that tends to hold it down but you should be able to
move it. I would keep trying to free it up. I bet you had some
corrosion in there that piled up and jammed the gear. Bear in mind it
has to follow that spiral cut in the shaft. If you take the starter
off you can get at it better. WD 40 would not be my first choice. Try
not to get too much in the bearing at the top of the starter. That
will leach out the lubrication in the bearing. I would be using a
light machine oil in moderation


I could turn the gear in either direction freely by hand, does that
indicate the drive is broken? thanks

s o

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

On Feb 6, 11:54 am, "Tim" wrote:
while you're turning the drive gear, you're probably also turning the
armature shaft.

OK, try this. take a light hammer or wrench and tap the bendix in the
direction it should spin, and see if it will break loose, and coil up
to the flywheel freely. if so, then spray it good under the drive on
the spiral splines on the shaft. then, quickly spin the drive back
down to it's reset position, and see if it still sticks. If so, tap it
loose again, and spray again. repeat this 4 or five times till it
rotates freely up and down the shaft.

I really don't think you need to buy anything. and $120.00 for a new
one? thats plenty, even for internet sales. I can get you one a heck
of a lot cheaper than that. But you still don't need a new starter.

s o wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:07 am, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007 09:41:13 -0800, "s o" wrote:

On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.

I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

There is a spring that tends to hold it down but you should be able to
move it. I would keep trying to free it up. I bet you had some
corrosion in there that piled up and jammed the gear. Bear in mind it
has to follow that spiral cut in the shaft. If you take the starter
off you can get at it better. WD 40 would not be my first choice. Try
not to get too much in the bearing at the top of the starter. That
will leach out the lubrication in the bearing. I would be using a
light machine oil in moderation

I could turn the gear in either direction freely by hand, does that
indicate the drive is broken? thanks

s o


I tried to remove the starter so I can disset it, but the solenoid is
blocking one of the screws, and one other screw down at the bottom is
really hard to get at, any tips? do you generally remove the solenoid
first? thanks

another question, the engine didn't get flushed from my last
outing(last Sunday) and it'll probably be another one or two weeks
before I could get the engine running again. do I need to do anything
in lieu of flushing in the mean time or flushing it as soon as I got
it running will be fine?

s o

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

If the starter bendix is exposed, and you can turn it, you shouldn't
have to take the starter off to break the drive gear assembly loose.



s o wrote:
On Feb 6, 11:54 am, "Tim" wrote:
while you're turning the drive gear, you're probably also turning the
armature shaft.

OK, try this. take a light hammer or wrench and tap the bendix in the
direction it should spin, and see if it will break loose, and coil up
to the flywheel freely. if so, then spray it good under the drive on
the spiral splines on the shaft. then, quickly spin the drive back
down to it's reset position, and see if it still sticks. If so, tap it
loose again, and spray again. repeat this 4 or five times till it
rotates freely up and down the shaft.

I really don't think you need to buy anything. and $120.00 for a new
one? thats plenty, even for internet sales. I can get you one a heck
of a lot cheaper than that. But you still don't need a new starter.

s o wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:07 am, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007 09:41:13 -0800, "s o" wrote:

On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.

I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

There is a spring that tends to hold it down but you should be able to
move it. I would keep trying to free it up. I bet you had some
corrosion in there that piled up and jammed the gear. Bear in mind it
has to follow that spiral cut in the shaft. If you take the starter
off you can get at it better. WD 40 would not be my first choice. Try
not to get too much in the bearing at the top of the starter. That
will leach out the lubrication in the bearing. I would be using a
light machine oil in moderation

I could turn the gear in either direction freely by hand, does that
indicate the drive is broken? thanks

s o


I tried to remove the starter so I can disset it, but the solenoid is
blocking one of the screws, and one other screw down at the bottom is
really hard to get at, any tips? do you generally remove the solenoid
first? thanks

another question, the engine didn't get flushed from my last
outing(last Sunday) and it'll probably be another one or two weeks
before I could get the engine running again. do I need to do anything
in lieu of flushing in the mean time or flushing it as soon as I got
it running will be fine?

s o

is this a starter problem (new boater needs help)
 

On Feb 7, 12:14 pm, "Tim" wrote:
If the starter bendix is exposed, and you can turn it, you shouldn't
have to take the starter off to break the drive gear assembly loose.



s o wrote:
On Feb 6, 11:54 am, "Tim" wrote:
while you're turning the drive gear, you're probably also turning the
armature shaft.

OK, try this. take a light hammer or wrench and tap the bendix in the
direction it should spin, and see if it will break loose, and coil up
to the flywheel freely. if so, then spray it good under the drive on
the spiral splines on the shaft. then, quickly spin the drive back
down to it's reset position, and see if it still sticks. If so, tap it
loose again, and spray again. repeat this 4 or five times till it
rotates freely up and down the shaft.

I really don't think you need to buy anything. and $120.00 for a new
one? thats plenty, even for internet sales. I can get you one a heck
of a lot cheaper than that. But you still don't need a new starter.

s o wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:07 am, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007 09:41:13 -0800, "s o" wrote:

On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 20:07:42 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:50 pm, "s o" wrote:
I just wanted to add the following:
my power trim/tilt works fine and my fish finder says the batter is at
12.5 V.

Sounds like a ceased solanoid (sp?)

Since it spins I am betting the bendix is sticking. The gear just uses
inertia to cause it to spin up the coursely threaded shaft. Make sure
that shaft is clean and very lightly lubricated. You just want enough
oil to hold down corrosion, not a glob of grease.
You should be able to move the gear by hand when the starter is
sitting still. Don't go poking your finger in there when you are
energizing the starter.

I lub the shaft with some wd40 yesterday. I also tried to pull up on
the gear but it didn't budge at all. Is this the way it's supposed to
be or should I be able to pull it up with just my fingers.

I found some new starters on ebay for around $120 plus shipping, is
this a good price? any recommandation where I should get them? I'm
in Long Beach, CA. thanks.

s o

There is a spring that tends to hold it down but you should be able to
move it. I would keep trying to free it up. I bet you had some
corrosion in there that piled up and jammed the gear. Bear in mind it
has to follow that spiral cut in the shaft. If you take the starter
off you can get at it better. WD 40 would not be my first choice. Try
not to get too much in the bearing at the top of the starter. That
will leach out the lubrication in the bearing. I would be using a
light machine oil in moderation

I could turn the gear in either direction freely by hand, does that
indicate the drive is broken? thanks

s o

I tried to remove the starter so I can disset it, but the solenoid is
blocking one of the screws, and one other screw down at the bottom is
really hard to get at, any tips? do you generally remove the solenoid
first? thanks

another question, the engine didn't get flushed from my last
outing(last Sunday) and it'll probably be another one or two weeks
before I could get the engine running again. do I need to do anything
in lieu of flushing in the mean time or flushing it as soon as I got
it running will be fine?

s o- Hide quoted text -

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the tapping did the trick. thanks for everyone's help.
What I did was tap it with the wood handle of the hammer several
times, turn it , then tap some more and turn some more and it finally
loosened. I love this NG.

s o