On Feb 4, 6:39 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
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On Feb 3, 9:57 pm, -rick- wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On 3 Feb 2007 15:27:35 -0800, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
On Feb 3, 12:43 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On 2 Feb 2007 05:17:57 -0800, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
4 - Purchase new computer - this time I'm building my own.
Does that mean you are rescinding your prior endorsements for
e-machine?
Not at all - it is what it is - a basic computer that works well.
Cheap
and easy to work with.
Just don't expect it to last forever.
Somehow.... I see a vast distinction between "not lasting forever" and
"bursting into flame".....
Maybe it was half full of dog hair and cigar ashes...

Don't smoke in the house and we do own a vacuum cleaner. :)

I own two dogs, vacuum (not as much as we should) and keep a hepa filter
in each room. I am always amazed at the amount of dander that ends up
inside the computer. I keep mine on the floor, so if it was on a desk,
I am sure less would end up inside the computer. Since I now have a AMD
dual core, which runs hotter, I probably should get into the habit of
cleaning the sucker out on a regular basis.

What AMD dual core did you get? Just curious.

I clean my computers on a regular basis - I bought a little vacuum
cleaner
thingy deal a few years ago and it works great. And the difference
between
keeping a computer on the floor and the desk is amazing in terms of
dust and what not.

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What AMD dual core did you get? Just curious.

I clean my computers on a regular basis - I bought a little vacuum
cleaner
thingy deal a few years ago and it works great. And the difference
between
keeping a computer on the floor and the desk is amazing in terms of
dust and what not.


It is an AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 4200+. Just before I purchased this
system, I purchased a Intel Dual Core from Dell, which I had to return
due to a defective hard drive. The AMD was a "similar" speed to the
Intel, but I could not believe the difference in the performance of the
computers.

I am sure part of the difference was the outrageous number of "DEMO's
and ADWARE" Dell loaded into their computer, but the I could tell a
world of difference between the AMD and the Intel. My results match up
with the test results I had read concerning the AMD and Intel chips.

I noticed Michael Dell has returned as CEO of Dell computer. If you do
a search on "Dell Sucks" (using quotes) you get 38,000+ hits, and if you
do a search on "Dell Hell" (using quotes) you get over 68,000 hits, it
looks like he should have come back sooner. I am one of the growing
number of Ex-Loyal Dell Customers who would be very hesitant to buy
another Dell.

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On Feb 3, 7:28 pm, "Mike" wrote:
Remember typing in all those addresses in the email for routing?
I never had to do that. On cserve, the nodes were designed for all traffic
to go to and from Ohio (their headquarters). 99% of the email that
originated from a cserve member went to a cserve member, so it was only a
matter of transferring it from one mailbox to another... on the same
network.

I got it. It was much more fun to send messages cross country. :)

My duties had more to do with managing various file libraries, and
moderating forums. I was one of those guys that thought the www (netscape,
yahoo, etc) would never catch on.... oops. :-)

True story. I remember sitting in a meeting with Ed DeCastro then
head of
Data General and he thought that email would serve no purpose beyond
internal memo use within any company.


DeCastro was a cheap *******. He was so afraid of having "his"
technology stolen he was almost paranoid. He figured that since he stole
technology from someone else somebody was going to steal "his"
technology.

I was laid off from DG around the time Ron Skates cam in to get the
expenses below the decreasing revenue.

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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.

Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected
as the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful
life.
The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you
left the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended"
to be turned on all of the time.


Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they
have "sleep modes" on computers and monitors?
Regardless of whether it has a sleep mode or not unless it is a server
class system it is not "designed" to be on 24x7. Server class means on
24x7. Desktop means on 9 to 5. Laptop means on when you are using it.


Are saying that computer manufacturers expect the users of their hardware
to turn it off each and every time they leave their computer? If so,
that alone is a major design fault which makes the claim even more valid.

When the lawsuit is served they are going to say that the produce periodic
use equipment, laptops and desktops, and continuous use equipment,
servers.

It has nothing to do with design faults it has to do with product
liability.


Wrong again.

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1 - Computer caught fire.

2 - Office smoke damage.

That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)

Was it the power supply catching fire?

I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.

How old was it?

Three years.

Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

Yes I have and they have requested the power supply back for
examination.

Good.



I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire.
This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected as the
power
supply was certainly well within it's expected useful life.

Nah - stuff happens you know?

I'm not the sue type - it really serves no purpose.

Suing is one thing.............making an insurance claim to 'make right'
is
another and there is nothing wrong with it, especially when the product
failed with potential catastrophic consequences.

But glad to see things are back to normal.

And what is the net result? I have a fire on record that required a
claim.

Think my already outrageous insurance bill won't go up?

Please.


A claim against the computer/power supply manufacturer insurance, not yours.

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On Feb 2, 7:42 am, "JimH" wrote:
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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.


Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected
as the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful
life.

The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you left
the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended" to be
turned on all of the time.



Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they
have "sleep modes" on computers and monitors?



For "Green" listing. Power saving mode when you just leave it on for no
valid reason.

I know that Bill. The point is that the option is offered for those wishing
to run their computer all the time.

I designed Disk Drives for a living for 10 years, disk drive controllers
for 15 years and apps engineer to the disk drive world for another 5 years
and we never looked at the system to have to be on 24x7.


Why would you? The disk drive is not operating when the computer is idle.

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On Feb 2, 7:42 am, "JimH" wrote:
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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.


Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected
as the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful
life.

The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you
left the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended"
to be turned on all of the time.



Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they
have "sleep modes" on computers and monitors?



For "Green" listing. Power saving mode when you just leave it on for no
valid reason.

I know that Bill. The point is that the option is offered for those
wishing to run their computer all the time.

I designed Disk Drives for a living for 10 years, disk drive controllers
for 15 years and apps engineer to the disk drive world for another 5 years
and we never looked at the system to have to be on 24x7.


Why would you? The disk drive is not operating when the computer is idle.

The platters are spinning and the bearings are wearing.

There is an option in Windows to shut down the HDDs after a set period of
time.

On 4 Feb 2007 03:46:34 -0800, wrote:

True story. I remember sitting in a meeting with Ed DeCastro then
head of
Data General and he thought that email would serve no purpose beyond
internal memo use within any company.

And the there were the people who couldn't think of any use for a home
computer other than storing recipes on it.

True story. I remember sitting in a meeting with Ed DeCastro then
head of Data General and he thought that email would serve no purpose beyond
internal memo use within any company.

Oh, I believe it alright. Too many forward thinkers couldn't see past their
own ideas. Xerox, paper, Apple, and a GUI come to mind. g

--Mike

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On Feb 3, 7:28 pm, "Mike" wrote:
Remember typing in all those addresses in the email for routing?

I never had to do that. On cserve, the nodes were designed for all
traffic
to go to and from Ohio (their headquarters). 99% of the email that
originated from a cserve member went to a cserve member, so it was only a
matter of transferring it from one mailbox to another... on the same
network.

I got it. It was much more fun to send messages cross country. :)

My duties had more to do with managing various file libraries, and
moderating forums. I was one of those guys that thought the www
(netscape,
yahoo, etc) would never catch on.... oops. :-)

True story. I remember sitting in a meeting with Ed DeCastro then
head of
Data General and he thought that email would serve no purpose beyond
internal memo use within any company.

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On Feb 3, 9:57 pm, -rick- wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On 3 Feb 2007 15:27:35 -0800, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Feb 3, 12:43 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On 2 Feb 2007 05:17:57 -0800, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

4 - Purchase new computer - this time I'm building my own.
Does that mean you are rescinding your prior endorsements for
e-machine?
Not at all - it is what it is - a basic computer that works well.
Cheap
and easy to work with.

Just don't expect it to last forever.

Somehow.... I see a vast distinction between "not lasting forever" and
"bursting into flame".....

Maybe it was half full of dog hair and cigar ashes...

Don't smoke in the house and we do own a vacuum cleaner. :)


I am married to typical Italian woman. They clean constantly.