On Feb 2, 7:33?pm, "Mike" wrote:
Truth is that many folks you might consider a**holes online, are usually
nice folks in person. The anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in
some people. Maybe it's pent up agression from home or work... it doesn't
really matter.

IMO, the difficulty is often associated with the inability of the
internet to communicate "tone". I have noticed that in many cases
where somebody takes serious offense it is often less due to the
actual thing that was said than the inflection or tone the offended
person imagined when the statement was read. But then there are indeed
a group of people who, maybe, get stomped on and abused by spouse,
boss, kids, both friends, or what not and feel compelled to be nasty
and combative on line.

It seems like Eleanor Rigby, by the Beatles, foreshadowed the world of
internet groups, etc. People involved in meaningless tasks, living in
a dream,
and described by the refrain, "Ah, look at all the lonely people."

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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.


Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the fire.
This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected as the power
supply was certainly well within it's expected useful life.

The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you left
the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended" to be
turned on all of the time.

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On Feb 2, 7:42 am, "JimH" wrote:
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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.


Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected as
the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful life.

The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you left
the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended" to be
turned on all of the time.



Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they have
"sleep modes" on computers and monitors?

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On Feb 2, 7:42 am, "JimH" wrote:
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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.

Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected as
the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful life.
The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you left
the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended" to be
turned on all of the time.



Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they have
"sleep modes" on computers and monitors?

Regardless of whether it has a sleep mode or not unless it is a server
class system it is not "designed" to be on 24x7. Server class means on
24x7. Desktop means on 9 to 5. Laptop means on when you are using it.

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On Feb 2, 7:42 am, "JimH" wrote:
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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.

Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected
as the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful
life.
The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you left
the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended" to be
turned on all of the time.



Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they
have "sleep modes" on computers and monitors?

Regardless of whether it has a sleep mode or not unless it is a server
class system it is not "designed" to be on 24x7. Server class means on
24x7. Desktop means on 9 to 5. Laptop means on when you are using it.


Are saying that computer manufacturers expect the users of their hardware to
turn it off each and every time they leave their computer? If so, that
alone is a major design fault which makes the claim even more valid.

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On Feb 2, 7:42 am, "JimH" wrote:
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1 - Computer caught fire.
2 - Office smoke damage.
That sucks! Some here will blame it on bad karma. ;-)
Was it the power supply catching fire?
I guess - that's what the Fire Marshall said. Kind of a thermal
runaway.
How old was it?
Three years.

Are you going to notify the manufacturer of the computer and/or power
supply? It is useful information for them and may lead to a recall.

I would also pursue a claim against them to recover damages from the
fire. This failure and resulting fire is certainly not to be expected
as the power supply was certainly well within it's expected useful
life.
The first question they will ask is if you turned it off before you left
the room. If it isn't a server class system it is not "intended" to be
turned on all of the time.



Wrong. Computers are made to be kept on 24x7. Why do you think they
have "sleep modes" on computers and monitors?

Regardless of whether it has a sleep mode or not unless it is a server
class system it is not "designed" to be on 24x7. Server class means on
24x7. Desktop means on 9 to 5. Laptop means on when you are using it.

What make a PC a "server class" system?

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Regardless of whether it has a sleep mode or not unless it is a server
class system it is not "designed" to be on 24x7. Server class means on
24x7. Desktop means on 9 to 5. Laptop means on when you are using it.


That might be what "they" say, but I don't buy it.

The killer for electronics, particularly high density power devices like the
CPU, is thermal cycling.
Components that consume power have a higher failure rate when they are
routinely cycled from operating temperature to ambient, then back to
operating temperature.

Other components, like the fan might fail, causing overheating and failure
of the electronic devices, but leaving electronics on all the time is better
for them in terms of life. An incandescent light bulb is the same deal.
One that is constantly turned on and off will fail sooner than one that is
left on all the time.

Eisboch

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Are saying that computer manufacturers expect the users of their hardware
to turn it off each and every time they leave their computer? If so, that
alone is a major design fault which makes the claim even more valid.


It might be a good argument in a courtroom defending a lawsuit, but I don't
believe it has any technical merit.

Eisboch

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"JimH" wrote in message
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Are saying that computer manufacturers expect the users of their hardware
to turn it off each and every time they leave their computer? If so,
that alone is a major design fault which makes the claim even more valid.


It might be a good argument in a courtroom defending a lawsuit, but I
don't believe it has any technical merit.

Eisboch


The judge and jury use common sense and personal experience. Engineers
designing a product need to consider misuse of product in their final
product and build in appropriate controls. ;-)

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Regardless of whether it has a sleep mode or not unless it is a server
class system it is not "designed" to be on 24x7. Server class means on
24x7. Desktop means on 9 to 5. Laptop means on when you are using it.


That might be what "they" say, but I don't buy it.

The killer for electronics, particularly high density power devices like
the CPU, is thermal cycling.
Components that consume power have a higher failure rate when they are
routinely cycled from operating temperature to ambient, then back to
operating temperature.

Other components, like the fan might fail, causing overheating and failure
of the electronic devices, but leaving electronics on all the time is
better for them in terms of life. An incandescent light bulb is the same
deal. One that is constantly turned on and off will fail sooner than one
that is left on all the time.

Eisboch


I remember the technical guys at work saying that about televisions.
We were instructed to turn off our computers as we left for the night for
security reasons.
I believe when we logged on the next day we would also get the benefit of
any upgrades made by the IT people overnight.