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Joe Sparebottom - True Patriot?
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New line of trawlers, built in Pacific NW, about to debut
Watch for a new line of trawlers, built in Washington State, by a
company called Fathom Yachts. Their first boat, a 40-footer, will be coming down the way within about a month. The drawings, model, and spec look promising. (Many of the founding members of this firm once worked at a well-known tug builder.) |
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The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat
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On Jan 31, 10:47 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
Watch for a new line of trawlers, built in Washington State, by a company called Fathom Yachts. Their first boat, a 40-footer, will be coming down the way within about a month. The drawings, model, and spec look promising. (Many of the founding members of this firm once worked at a well-known tug builder.) Not satisfied with pimping phantom diesel fuel enhancement devices under the guise of intellectual curiosity, Chuck is now pimping another new over-priced trawler that nobody cares about in this group except for Chuck. Go post it in rec.boats.cruising loser. |
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On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. |
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On 1 Feb 2007 03:44:36 -0800, wrote:
On Jan 31, 10:47 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Watch for a new line of trawlers, built in Washington State, by a company called Fathom Yachts. Their first boat, a 40-footer, will be coming down the way within about a month. The drawings, model, and spec look promising. (Many of the founding members of this firm once worked at a well-known tug builder.) Not satisfied with pimping phantom diesel fuel enhancement devices under the guise of intellectual curiosity, Chuck is now pimping another new over-priced trawler that nobody cares about in this group except for Chuck. Go post it in rec.boats.cruising loser. Hey Chuck, is it this style - http://tinyurl.com/22xy74 ? Maybe you could post a url to a picture if it isn't. Sounds cool. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Feb 1, 3:51?am, wrote:
On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. Your pathetic attempts to drag me into a flame war are noted. Glad to see you are concerned about the content of the group. The initial post at the beginning of this thread succinctly illustrates your level of commitment to a purely intellectual group where a comment about a newly available *boat* (heaven forbid!) is entirely inappropriate. Why would I assume that anybody in a boating newsgroup would care if a new boat line is available? What an error. Apparently, by the standards evident in this thread, a personal attack message would be far more appropriate content here. Sorry to have strayed so far from the flock. |
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On Feb 1, 3:44?am, wrote:
On Jan 31, 10:47 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Watch for a new line of trawlers, built in Washington State, by a company called Fathom Yachts. Their first boat, a 40-footer, will be coming down the way within about a month. The drawings, model, and spec look promising. (Many of the founding members of this firm once worked at a well-known tug builder.) Not satisfied with pimping phantom diesel fuel enhancement devices under the guise of intellectual curiosity, Chuck is now pimping another new over-priced trawler that nobody cares about in this group except for Chuck. Go post it in rec.boats.cruising loser. Sailors have very little interest in trawlers. Are your personal attack threads well received on that site? |
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On Feb 1, 4:03?am, JLH wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 03:44:36 -0800, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:47 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Watch for a new line of trawlers, built in Washington State, by a company called Fathom Yachts. Their first boat, a 40-footer, will be coming down the way within about a month. The drawings, model, and spec look promising. (Many of the founding members of this firm once worked at a well-known tug builder.) Not satisfied with pimping phantom diesel fuel enhancement devices under the guise of intellectual curiosity, Chuck is now pimping another new over-priced trawler that nobody cares about in this group except for Chuck. Go post it in rec.boats.cruising loser. Hey Chuck, is it this style -http://tinyurl.com/22xy74? Maybe you could post a url to a picture if it isn't. Sounds cool. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Here's a link: http://www.gregmarshalldesign.com/te....php?boa_id=42 The interesting thing about the images on that page is that they feature a boat that didn't exist when the images were created. They are still completing hull #1. What you see on the web page is the result of taking the naval architect's drawing and using a computer to superimpose it on a background. Take a careful look and you will see that she doesn't sit her lines just exactly right in the photos, but that's because the boat wasn't really in the picture when it was taken. |
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On Feb 1, 7:45?am, Harry Krause wrote:
On 2/1/2007 10:30 AM, Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 1, 3:51?am, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. Your pathetic attempts to drag me into a flame war are noted. Glad to see you are concerned about the content of the group. The initial post at the beginning of this thread succinctly illustrates your level of commitment to a purely intellectual group where a comment about a newly available *boat* (heaven forbid!) is entirely inappropriate. Why would I assume that anybody in a boating newsgroup would care if a new boat line is available? What an error. Apparently, by the standards evident in this thread, a personal attack message would be far more appropriate content here. Sorry to have strayed so far from the flock. Ugly boat. Angular lines, and unless that transom opening closes up, it might be very interesting in a serious following sea.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, Harry. The transom folds up when underway. The drop transom feature looks like an idea that could replace the "swim step" on many boats, (especially those with a dedicated boat deck) as well as make boarding easier when tied stern-to. It will be interesting to see one first hand when the hull is finished. As far as "ugly" goes, that's in the eye of the beholder. I don't think it's my all-time favorite style, but it's attractive enough as far as I'm concerned. Funny thing, my minor objection is that they may have rounded it a bit too much, while you would seem to prefer something even less "angular". Different strokes. Being a fan of "work boat" styling, I like the overall shape. Others won't. I guess that's one of the reasons there is such a wide variety of boats on the water. :-) |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:51?am, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. Your pathetic attempts to drag me into a flame war are noted. Glad to see you are concerned about the content of the group. The initial post at the beginning of this thread succinctly illustrates your level of commitment to a purely intellectual group where a comment about a newly available *boat* (heaven forbid!) is entirely inappropriate. Why would I assume that anybody in a boating newsgroup would care if a new boat line is available? What an error. Apparently, by the standards evident in this thread, a personal attack message would be far more appropriate content here. Sorry to have strayed so far from the flock. Chuck, I agree with you, even if the boat is butt ugly, poorly constructed, and is way over priced, it still encourages a boating discussion about other trawlers. I thought your post about the "snake oil" was a great thread, even if I found you naive in believing that it would possible work. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
On 2/1/2007 10:30 AM, Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 1, 3:51?am, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. Your pathetic attempts to drag me into a flame war are noted. Glad to see you are concerned about the content of the group. The initial post at the beginning of this thread succinctly illustrates your level of commitment to a purely intellectual group where a comment about a newly available *boat* (heaven forbid!) is entirely inappropriate. Why would I assume that anybody in a boating newsgroup would care if a new boat line is available? What an error. Apparently, by the standards evident in this thread, a personal attack message would be far more appropriate content here. Sorry to have strayed so far from the flock. Ugly boat. Angular lines, and unless that transom opening closes up, it might be very interesting in a serious following sea. Which boat do you find "more attractive"? I would assume you prefer a classic trawler such as a Grand Banks. |
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On Feb 1, 8:31?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 1, 3:51?am, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. Your pathetic attempts to drag me into a flame war are noted. Glad to see you are concerned about the content of the group. The initial post at the beginning of this thread succinctly illustrates your level of commitment to a purely intellectual group where a comment about a newly available *boat* (heaven forbid!) is entirely inappropriate. Why would I assume that anybody in a boating newsgroup would care if a new boat line is available? What an error. Apparently, by the standards evident in this thread, a personal attack message would be far more appropriate content here. Sorry to have strayed so far from the flock. Chuck, I agree with you, even if the boat is butt ugly, poorly constructed, and is way over priced, it still encourages a boating discussion about other trawlers. I have to assume you're referring to a hyptothetical boat, rather than the Fathom 40. Ugly is entirely subjective, and we don't know anything definitive yet about the quality of construction or pricing. I thought your post about the "snake oil" was a great thread, even if I found you naive in believing that it would possible work.- Hide quoted text - A couple of recent developments on that front (without reopening the thread). The manufacturer of the specific device I mentioned contacted the local dealer and said, "By the way, if that Gould character puts anything about this in a magazine, make sure he doesn't even begin to imply that we believe our specific device kills microbial growth. Other companies make that claim, but we don't believe that it's true." I'm going to delete that paragraph, as it could be read as something this specific mfgr does believe since I didn't menition any competitors by name. The local dealer says he has now spoken to enough current users of the product that he is convinced it will probably reduce smoking, at a minimum. He runs a boatyard, and he says he is on a mission to get this product in the hands of "some of the meanest, toughest, hard nosed boaters I know with smoking engines", on a money back guarantee basis, and see if it reduces smoking in any, many, most, or all cases. His real world test will be testing the effectiveness of the concept itself, as there is no "additive" asociated with this specific product to alter the chemistry of the fuel. The bumblebee. You probably know that it's "aerodynamically impossible" for a bumblebee to fly, yet we see them flying all the time. :-) |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 1, 8:31?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 1, 3:51?am, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:49 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: The Fathom 40 is a pilothouse style vessel, with traditonal workboat proportions but somewhat modernized lines. Very clever - now a guerilla marketing campaign. Pimping to posts he doesn't like. You know, you have to wonder how much money is being made here. How much is Mr. Gould being paid per post pimping these overpriced, useless boats? It's not like it hasn't been done before you know - it's called spam. Your pathetic attempts to drag me into a flame war are noted. Glad to see you are concerned about the content of the group. The initial post at the beginning of this thread succinctly illustrates your level of commitment to a purely intellectual group where a comment about a newly available *boat* (heaven forbid!) is entirely inappropriate. Why would I assume that anybody in a boating newsgroup would care if a new boat line is available? What an error. Apparently, by the standards evident in this thread, a personal attack message would be far more appropriate content here. Sorry to have strayed so far from the flock. Chuck, I agree with you, even if the boat is butt ugly, poorly constructed, and is way over priced, it still encourages a boating discussion about other trawlers. I have to assume you're referring to a hyptothetical boat, rather than the Fathom 40. Ugly is entirely subjective, and we don't know anything definitive yet about the quality of construction or pricing. I thought your post about the "snake oil" was a great thread, even if I found you naive in believing that it would possible work.- Hide quoted text - A couple of recent developments on that front (without reopening the thread). The manufacturer of the specific device I mentioned contacted the local dealer and said, "By the way, if that Gould character puts anything about this in a magazine, make sure he doesn't even begin to imply that we believe our specific device kills microbial growth. Other companies make that claim, but we don't believe that it's true." I'm going to delete that paragraph, as it could be read as something this specific mfgr does believe since I didn't menition any competitors by name. The local dealer says he has now spoken to enough current users of the product that he is convinced it will probably reduce smoking, at a minimum. He runs a boatyard, and he says he is on a mission to get this product in the hands of "some of the meanest, toughest, hard nosed boaters I know with smoking engines", on a money back guarantee basis, and see if it reduces smoking in any, many, most, or all cases. His real world test will be testing the effectiveness of the concept itself, as there is no "additive" asociated with this specific product to alter the chemistry of the fuel. The bumblebee. You probably know that it's "aerodynamically impossible" for a bumblebee to fly, yet we see them flying all the time. :-) I was definitely talking about a hypothetical boat. I have no idea what the construction or cost on Fathom is. My point was even if the boat is a piece of ****, it can still make for a nice thread. As far as the magnet, it seems that the dealer is selling the concept it will reduce visible smoke emissions. It would make for an interesting follow up article to interview those who tested it on their smoking stink pots. |
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On 1 Feb 2007 07:43:39 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: On Feb 1, 4:03?am, JLH wrote: On 1 Feb 2007 03:44:36 -0800, wrote: On Jan 31, 10:47 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Watch for a new line of trawlers, built in Washington State, by a company called Fathom Yachts. Their first boat, a 40-footer, will be coming down the way within about a month. The drawings, model, and spec look promising. (Many of the founding members of this firm once worked at a well-known tug builder.) Not satisfied with pimping phantom diesel fuel enhancement devices under the guise of intellectual curiosity, Chuck is now pimping another new over-priced trawler that nobody cares about in this group except for Chuck. Go post it in rec.boats.cruising loser. Hey Chuck, is it this style -http://tinyurl.com/22xy74? Maybe you could post a url to a picture if it isn't. Sounds cool. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Here's a link: http://www.gregmarshalldesign.com/te....php?boa_id=42 The interesting thing about the images on that page is that they feature a boat that didn't exist when the images were created. They are still completing hull #1. What you see on the web page is the result of taking the naval architect's drawing and using a computer to superimpose it on a background. Take a careful look and you will see that she doesn't sit her lines just exactly right in the photos, but that's because the boat wasn't really in the picture when it was taken. Thanks for the clarification. I *thought* it looked very 'top heavy'. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On 1 Feb 2007 09:18:44 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: He runs a boatyard, and he says he is on a mission to get this product in the hands of "some of the meanest, toughest, hard nosed boaters I know with smoking engines", on a money back guarantee basis, and see if it reduces smoking in any, many, most, or all cases. A diesel engine that smokes needs to be serviced. Something is wrong when that happens unless it's a temporary condition while accelerating. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 1 Feb 2007 09:18:44 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: He runs a boatyard, and he says he is on a mission to get this product in the hands of "some of the meanest, toughest, hard nosed boaters I know with smoking engines", on a money back guarantee basis, and see if it reduces smoking in any, many, most, or all cases. A diesel engine that smokes needs to be serviced. Something is wrong when that happens unless it's a temporary condition while accelerating. Mine smoke when cold, especially in cold weather. (Volvos). Frankly, I don't think I've ever seen a diesel that doesn't smoke a little when cold. Once they warm up the smoke goes away. It's done that since new. Of course, we don't have the luxury of having the boat sit in 80 degree water up here. The GB smokes more when cold and takes longer to clear. With over 6000 hrs on the little Ford- Lehman, I can cut it some slack. Eisboch |
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:12:31 -0700, Diamond Dave
wrote: I'm new to this and maybe I'll never get up to speed, but, isn't a trawler a big unwieldy fishing boat, why do ya'll refer to a yacht as a trawler? Really, I don't know. There are fishing trawlers, and then there are trawler yachts, aka, "cruising trawlers". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_trawler |
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Thanks for asking, Dave. I was kind of curious myself. I'm glad you
brought that up. Diamond Dave wrote: On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:16:02 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:12:31 -0700, Diamond Dave penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I'm new to this and maybe I'll never get up to speed, but, isn't a trawler a big unwieldy fishing boat, why do ya'll refer to a yacht as a trawler? Really, I don't know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawler_%28boat%29 got it! Thanks. |
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On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:42:47 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Of course, we don't have the luxury of having the boat sit in 80 degree water up here. Wha happen, did someone turn off the heat? 6,000 hour Lehmans are allowed to smoke a little at start up, usually blue smoke. We looked at a Hatt 53 over in Jupiter 4 years ago that was still killing mosquitos a mile away 30 minutes after start up. I'm sure the neighbors were glad to see that one sell. |
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On 1 Feb 2007 14:46:50 -0800, "Tim" wrote:
snippity-snip Those who would be intrested in trawlers? Oh, try, WayneB. Eisboch, Shortwave Sportfishing, myself, those are the ones I can immediatly think of... I've got nothing against trawlers. :o) Mark E. Williams PS...It's the prices they want for the trawlers I object too. |
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