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Mike wrote:

Yeah, rub it in why dontchya!


$1.88 this morning :-)


--Mike

"Animal05" wrote in message
...

Mike wrote:


I just paid 2.69... we're always screwed in CA with the supposed "special
formulation" only required here.

$1.95 at my corner station



Oh yeah, my last utility bill... $455. Yup, de-regulation has worked
wonders here.

NG bill for Dec / 3000 s.f. house with two furnaces was $169


--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:37:13 -0500, "JimH"
wrote:



......going down. Under $2/gallon on the street at some places here.

Election time must be coming up...........oops..........that happened
last
November. ;-)

For Chuck:......gasoline - boats.........gasoline - tow vehicles. Just
a
preemptive strike to keep the head sheriff from interrogating me. ;-)


You obviously don't live in Connecticut.

$2.49 and they act like they are doing us a favor.


You see, here in the Nutcase....er, Nutmeg State, the Democrats who
control the Legislature came up with this brilliant program - it's
called Zone Pricing Policy. It was intended to level out the price of
gasoline across the state so that the areas with higher income levels
paid more than those with lower income levels.

Of course what happened was exactly the opposite. Zone Pricing means
that they can sock it to the rural parts of the state and keep the gas
prices in the cities cheap. Hartford gas is about .11/15¢ cheaper for
example and it's pretty much the same in other cities in the state.
Move out of the city, bend over.

And now that it's entrenched, it can't be changed because it's a money
maker - um, I'm sorry - REVENUE ENHANCER which brings in tons of taxes
for the treasury. And it makes money for the companies who retail the
gas along with the distributors. So it can't be changed.

This is the same bunch of bozos who figured that electricity would be
cheaper if the Utility companies divested their power generating
plants and purchased their energy on the open market passing the
savings along to the customer. This brilliant stroke of genius caused
a 50/75% increase in electricity rates in the past two years because
they never figured that the generators of power would have to make
money also.

California did it and got screwed? Oh, well we're smarter than that -
won't happen here.

Dumbasses. Oh and get this. The latest is that the Legislature, 98%
Democrats, is now working towards allowing the Utility companies to
purchase back the generation plants they just sold - at a premium of
course financed by....

Wait for it...

Wait for it....

Tax subsidies to the Utility companies!!! Including state bonding to
improve the plants!!!

Brilliant!!!

Unfortunately, it won't make the rates go down because...um...well...
er...becasue. BUT, they won't go up in the future.

We think.

Maybe.

Like hell they won't.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:rPTph.34$My1.33@trndny03...
JimH wrote:
......going down. Under $2/gallon on the street at some places here.

Election time must be coming up...........oops..........that happened
last November. ;-)

For Chuck:......gasoline - boats.........gasoline - tow vehicles.
Just a
preemptive strike to keep the head sheriff from interrogating me. ;-)


$2.79 here, it's a bargain though, just wait a decade or two.

Lowering the price is easy, just use less of it, nobody is forcing
anyone
to buy gas.

Work and life forces people to buy gas. If we had built lots of nuclear
plants over the last 20 years, our demand on foreign oil would be almost
zero. Thank a lot of the enviros for the oil problems.


And don't forget to thank Three Mile *ISLAND* (boating tie-in for
JimH) and that catastrophic meltdown in Russia for demonstrating that
nuclear power has some very scary aspects attached. Can you name even
one state that is willing to accept the nuclear waste
generated anywhere else? Does it make sense to manufacture something
that will be immensely deadly for tens of thousands of years after its
brief initial productive use? We've got a case of creeping death over
in Eastern Wa right this very minute. Failing containment tanks on the
Hanford Nuclear Reservation are allowing radioactive waste to migrate
toward a nearby watershed and could potentially render much of the
North Pacific unusable as a source or food for human beings. Send a few
hundred tankers up from California if you think nuclear waste is no big
deal. We'll fill em up for you, free of charge. :-)

At one time, we almost had a series of nuclear plants built here in
Washington State. Known as the WPPS (or "woops" project). The project
went into default, and cost a lot of bondholders a bunch of dough. The
facts are the the project didn't fail due to "enviro" opposition, but
rather because it became apparent that when the projects were completed
they would not be able to produce electricity at a competitive price.

I'm pretty "green", without being ridiculous about it. I think we need
to make prudent use of our natural resources, including oil. We own a
hybrid car and one 4-cylinder conventional.
We endeavor to not use energy foolishly, and will turn the heat and
lights off when we leave the house for even a few hours. However, we do
own a boat....... and nobody who owns a boat that doesn't rely strictly
upon sails or oars can get too far up on a high horse regarding the
careful use of fossil fuel.


And the WPPS bond holders were screwed by the courts and states. Being one
of the class. A set of states enters into the bond agreement and then
decide that was not legal? BS, they have lots of attorneys on staff to
review it. The Russian meltdown was a crappy design and 3 mile island
leaked nada. The containment vessel did it's job. Hanford and we have
friends who are engineers there was a bad design in a bad location for
military waste. Move it to desert land and the waste we are talking about
is not copius quantities. Coal mining and coal fired plants release about
17 tons of Uranium into the atmosophere every year, plus all the mercury and
other heavy metals and causing acid rain. Plus how many deaths a year from
coal mining and oil drilling (exclude war)? Nuclear is the only thing we
have going for us to reduce oil usage and supply us with clean energy. How
much oil is in that boat that runs on wind power? Lots! sails, resin, etc.
And most are not complaining about just oil wasting on recreation. Most
burn very little oil for boating compared to the rest of their lifestyle.
Commuting to work, heating, cookiing and the supply of food to cook takes
lots of oil. Supply that energy to heat and cook via electric from nuclear
plants or wind power or water power and there will be a huge reduction of
oil usage! YOu could even supply most of the commuting power via small 80
mile range pure electric vehicles. Pure electrics now use more energy than
hybrids. Line loss and charging losses add up to big numbers. Nuclear,
which we have about a 300 million year supply of fuel for, would allow us
those inefficiencies and still be a viable source of energy and
transportation.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:19:12 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
roups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:rPTph.34$My1.33@trndny03...
JimH wrote:
......going down. Under $2/gallon on the street at some places here.

Election time must be coming up...........oops..........that happened
last November. ;-)

For Chuck:......gasoline - boats.........gasoline - tow vehicles.
Just a
preemptive strike to keep the head sheriff from interrogating me. ;-)


$2.79 here, it's a bargain though, just wait a decade or two.

Lowering the price is easy, just use less of it, nobody is forcing
anyone
to buy gas.

Work and life forces people to buy gas. If we had built lots of nuclear
plants over the last 20 years, our demand on foreign oil would be almost
zero. Thank a lot of the enviros for the oil problems.


And don't forget to thank Three Mile *ISLAND* (boating tie-in for
JimH) and that catastrophic meltdown in Russia for demonstrating that
nuclear power has some very scary aspects attached. Can you name even
one state that is willing to accept the nuclear waste
generated anywhere else? Does it make sense to manufacture something
that will be immensely deadly for tens of thousands of years after its
brief initial productive use? We've got a case of creeping death over
in Eastern Wa right this very minute. Failing containment tanks on the
Hanford Nuclear Reservation are allowing radioactive waste to migrate
toward a nearby watershed and could potentially render much of the
North Pacific unusable as a source or food for human beings. Send a few
hundred tankers up from California if you think nuclear waste is no big
deal. We'll fill em up for you, free of charge. :-)

At one time, we almost had a series of nuclear plants built here in
Washington State. Known as the WPPS (or "woops" project). The project
went into default, and cost a lot of bondholders a bunch of dough. The
facts are the the project didn't fail due to "enviro" opposition, but
rather because it became apparent that when the projects were completed
they would not be able to produce electricity at a competitive price.

I'm pretty "green", without being ridiculous about it. I think we need
to make prudent use of our natural resources, including oil. We own a
hybrid car and one 4-cylinder conventional.
We endeavor to not use energy foolishly, and will turn the heat and
lights off when we leave the house for even a few hours. However, we do
own a boat....... and nobody who owns a boat that doesn't rely strictly
upon sails or oars can get too far up on a high horse regarding the
careful use of fossil fuel.


And the WPPS bond holders were screwed by the courts and states. Being one
of the class. A set of states enters into the bond agreement and then
decide that was not legal? BS, they have lots of attorneys on staff to
review it. The Russian meltdown was a crappy design and 3 mile island
leaked nada. The containment vessel did it's job. Hanford and we have
friends who are engineers there was a bad design in a bad location for
military waste. Move it to desert land and the waste we are talking about
is not copius quantities. Coal mining and coal fired plants release about
17 tons of Uranium into the atmosophere every year, plus all the mercury and
other heavy metals and causing acid rain. Plus how many deaths a year from
coal mining and oil drilling (exclude war)? Nuclear is the only thing we
have going for us to reduce oil usage and supply us with clean energy. How
much oil is in that boat that runs on wind power? Lots! sails, resin, etc.
And most are not complaining about just oil wasting on recreation. Most
burn very little oil for boating compared to the rest of their lifestyle.
Commuting to work, heating, cookiing and the supply of food to cook takes
lots of oil. Supply that energy to heat and cook via electric from nuclear
plants or wind power or water power and there will be a huge reduction of
oil usage! YOu could even supply most of the commuting power via small 80
mile range pure electric vehicles. Pure electrics now use more energy than
hybrids. Line loss and charging losses add up to big numbers. Nuclear,
which we have about a 300 million year supply of fuel for, would allow us
those inefficiencies and still be a viable source of energy and
transportation.


Lots of those folks don't want to hear about coal waste. I wonder why the
waste doesn't seem to overwhelm the French?

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Lots of those folks don't want to hear about coal waste. I wonder why the
waste doesn't seem to overwhelm the French?

They just pour a sauce over it and eat it?

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:35:35 GMT, "RG" wrote:



Lots of those folks don't want to hear about coal waste. I wonder why the
waste doesn't seem to overwhelm the French?

They just pour a sauce over it and eat it?


Chuckle..

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:16:29 -0500, Dan
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:51:25 GMT, "Mike" wrote:



Funny how big business works. In my small business, I'm the LAST one to get
paid.


I've been working with a guy I've known for years - he started up a
mechanical engineering/machine shop that does custom fittings and
highly specialized machined parts for all kinds of industries. He has
some metallurgical expertise that's hard to find and some machinists
who are absolute geniuses with a CNC machine.

He pays himself $1 more than the highest paid employee he has.

The problem is that he is the business owner. I could pay myself $8.00
and hour but, at the end of the year, my personal income tax bill would
be well over $100K if I took my profit as retained earnings. He's
probably an S-corp, too so if he's profitable, the money has to go
somewhere.


That's why God invented accountants.

And I'm fortunate to have a good one!

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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Animal05 wrote:

Dan wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:51:25 GMT, "Mike" wrote:


Funny how big business works. In my small business, I'm the LAST one
to get paid.




I've been working with a guy I've known for years - he started up a
mechanical engineering/machine shop that does custom fittings and
highly specialized machined parts for all kinds of industries. He has
some metallurgical expertise that's hard to find and some machinists
who are absolute geniuses with a CNC machine.

He pays himself $1 more than the highest paid employee he has.



The problem is that he is the business owner. I could pay myself
$8.00 and hour but, at the end of the year, my personal income tax
bill would be well over $100K if I took my profit as retained
earnings. He's probably an S-corp, too so if he's profitable, the
money has to go somewhere.


There is a simple reason for this.

Wages are subject to FICA taxes up to around 95k a year, and there is no
limit to the Medicare Tax.

By taking a reasonable wage, and then taking the rest of business
profits as dividends, you legally avoid paying the addiontal taxes.



True, but then I would have to live on under $95K throughout the year
and take he rest as income in a lump sum.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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Animal05 wrote:

$1.88 this morning :-)

$2.899 this morning. (blue state)

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Could do like the religious snake oil salesman, "reverend Ike" did back
in the late 70's.

he had a $30,000 a year salary and an unlimited expense acct.


Dan wrote:
Animal05 wrote:

Dan wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:51:25 GMT, "Mike" wrote:


Funny how big business works. In my small business, I'm the LAST one
to get paid.




I've been working with a guy I've known for years - he started up a
mechanical engineering/machine shop that does custom fittings and
highly specialized machined parts for all kinds of industries. He has
some metallurgical expertise that's hard to find and some machinists
who are absolute geniuses with a CNC machine.

He pays himself $1 more than the highest paid employee he has.



The problem is that he is the business owner. I could pay myself
$8.00 and hour but, at the end of the year, my personal income tax
bill would be well over $100K if I took my profit as retained
earnings. He's probably an S-corp, too so if he's profitable, the
money has to go somewhere.


There is a simple reason for this.

Wages are subject to FICA taxes up to around 95k a year, and there is no
limit to the Medicare Tax.

By taking a reasonable wage, and then taking the rest of business
profits as dividends, you legally avoid paying the addiontal taxes.



True, but then I would have to live on under $95K throughout the year
and take he rest as income in a lump sum.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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-rick- wrote:
Animal05 wrote:

$1.88 this morning :-)

$2.899 this morning. (blue state)
I forgot to mention it was premium.