On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:21:03 -0500, "tiny dancer"
wrote:


"Bo Raxo" wrote in message
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Bo Raxo wrote:
tiny dancer wrote:


Think Kenneth MacDuff.

He got a plea bargain, that's how he got out. You want to outlaw plea
bargains? Has nothing to do with death penalty versus life without
parole.


Oh wait, I was thinking of someone else. This is an hilarious example:
if he'd been originally sentenced to LWOP, nobody else would have
died.

But he was given the death penalty, under a flawed process, and the
conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court. And the state whose
law he was convicted under was poorly written so it didn't roll over to
a life sentence, as with for example Manson. *That* is why he got out -
poorly written laws, and *because* people like you wanted the death
penalty.

No death penalty, and he would not have gotten out. Plus, that
loophole in state laws has been plugged, overturn the death penalty and
they automatically become LWOP. So it is no excuse to keep killing
people.

You want to claim the system is flawed, and that is a reason to execute
people? Do you see that makes no sense?


Bo Raxo


Nope, wait until you have a kid. And somebody hurts your kid. I'm thinking
you might change your story. Especially if you find out your kid was just
one in a long line.

You mean a kid like Devin Miles Gibson, diapered and left to
asphyxiate in the car, his mom, acquitted of all charges, quipping:
"Putting me behind bars wasn't going to solve anything. No matter what
the outcome was, it wasn't going to bring Devin back."

You were fine with that one, Tiny. Sure, it was probably not
intentional (funny, how she'd finally discovered the concept of
"outcome", a bit late for Devin's sake), but then no one ever
suggested Michele face capital punishment in turn.

Fact is, most of the same arguments you use on career criminals apply
he there's no reason to assume she won't have more children, no
reason to assume she'll be more responsible or better able to care for
them in the future. No reason at all to believe there won't be more
Devins in her future.

His death was even more agonizing than the Hawks', more prolonged ...
and wasn't his *mother* supposed to care for him? What do you suppose
his last thoughts were as he lay, suffocating, burning up, encased in
his own ****?

Was *that* a better way to die than plunging through icy waters
weighted down by your own anchor?

Yet you were fine with Michele walking away scot-free.

I've had it with degenerates who treat innocent human beings as pawns in
their sick games. Yes, there is a difference in human life IMO. There is
no way in hell I'd lay down my life for Joseph Duncan or this Deleon dude.

Sorry, but the raw outrage is misplaced here. I don't necessarily
agree with Bo, I don't care what happens to the Duncans or Davies of
this world. I *think* capital punishment is nearly run its course in
the USA (hell, even the Chinese, its most enthusiastic practitioners,
are backing off a bit on it), but that's neither here nor there.

You seem like the quintessential juror for whom the circumstances of
the case are less important than the question, does she identify more
with the victim or the perpetrator?

Andy Katz