"Nick Hull" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society believe
that
certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a punishment for
criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we can't drive a car
into
the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill killers.

Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a broom
handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the way they
killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete overshoes
for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low tide)

But this makes you a killer too.


Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.


I don't know. While I might WANT to kill someone who hurt my child, I'm not
sure thats a HEALTHY thing to do, or even feel. Grief seems so much
healthier than violence.

In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

"Nick Hull" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society believe
that
certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a punishment for
criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we can't drive a car
into
the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill killers.

Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a broom
handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the way they
killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete overshoes
for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low tide)

But this makes you a killer too.

In that case, it is a drowning and the ocean did it The felon earned
his overshoes by his own actions.


Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.


I don't know. While I might WANT to kill someone who hurt my child, I'm not
sure thats a HEALTHY thing to do, or even feel. Grief seems so much
healthier than violence.

Terminating a perp is MUCH healthier than grief. Having the victim's
family do the deed (if they want to) brings closure to a sad event and
future perps will pay attention. OTOH, if you don't want your killer
executed, that should be your right. Just mention it in your will and
set aside a trust fund to feed, house, cloth and guard your murderer for
as long as your money lasts (then he gets a quick termination to save ME
$$)

--
Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/

Nick Hull wrote:
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society believe that
certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a punishment for
criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we can't drive a car into
the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill killers.

Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a broom
handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the way they
killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete overshoes
for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low tide)

Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.



You aren't advocating justice; you describe revenge as a suitable
punishment. Not unlike countries where thieves are punished by
getting their hands chopped off.

Kind regards,
Nancy


--
Take a sad song and make it better (lennon/mccartney)
Take bad software and make it better (rudins)
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins

Nick Hull wrote:
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

"Nick Hull" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society believe
that
certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a punishment for
criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we can't drive a car
into
the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill killers.
Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a broom
handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the way they
killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete overshoes
for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low tide)
But this makes you a killer too.

In that case, it is a drowning and the ocean did it The felon earned
his overshoes by his own actions.

Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.

I don't know. While I might WANT to kill someone who hurt my child, I'm not
sure thats a HEALTHY thing to do, or even feel. Grief seems so much
healthier than violence.

Terminating a perp is MUCH healthier than grief. Having the victim's
family do the deed (if they want to) brings closure to a sad event and
future perps will pay attention. OTOH, if you don't want your killer
executed, that should be your right. Just mention it in your will and
set aside a trust fund to feed, house, cloth and guard your murderer for
as long as your money lasts (then he gets a quick termination to save ME
$$)


There is never closure to losing a family member to murder. I've read
of cases in which the family of a murder victim did not want capital
punishment for the murderer. The family of Ted Bundy's victims are
still grieving for their loss. His execution did not bring "closure"
to the loss.

Kind regards,
Nancy


--
Take a sad song and make it better (lennon/mccartney)
Take bad software and make it better (rudins)
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins

In article ,
Nancy Rudins wrote:

Nick Hull wrote:
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society believe
that
certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a punishment for
criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we can't drive a car into
the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill killers.

Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a broom
handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the way they
killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete overshoes
for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low tide)

Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.



You aren't advocating justice; you describe revenge as a suitable
punishment. Not unlike countries where thieves are punished by
getting their hands chopped off.

It's revenge if you do it on your own. If done under the legal system
it's punishmment (or prevention, depending on your view)

--
Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/

In article ,
Nancy Rudins wrote:

Nick Hull wrote:
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

"Nick Hull" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society believe
that
certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a punishment for
criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we can't drive a car
into
the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill killers.
Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a broom
handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the way they
killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete overshoes
for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low tide)
But this makes you a killer too.

In that case, it is a drowning and the ocean did it The felon earned
his overshoes by his own actions.

Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.

I don't know. While I might WANT to kill someone who hurt my child, I'm
not
sure thats a HEALTHY thing to do, or even feel. Grief seems so much
healthier than violence.

Terminating a perp is MUCH healthier than grief. Having the victim's
family do the deed (if they want to) brings closure to a sad event and
future perps will pay attention. OTOH, if you don't want your killer
executed, that should be your right. Just mention it in your will and
set aside a trust fund to feed, house, cloth and guard your murderer for
as long as your money lasts (then he gets a quick termination to save ME
$$)


There is never closure to losing a family member to murder. I've read
of cases in which the family of a murder victim did not want capital
punishment for the murderer. The family of Ted Bundy's victims are
still grieving for their loss. His execution did not bring "closure"
to the loss.

It's fine with me if the victim and her family don't want capital
punishment, as long as I don't have to feed, cloth, shelter and guard
the perp, and as long as the perp can NEVER escape. Those who want to
protect a perp should pay the price. For me, anyone who murders me
should suffer a like fate.

When someone dies, wether by natural or violent means, they never come
back. It really doesn't matter how people die, only what is done to
prevent future occurances. If you cannot get over a person's death you
have problems because everyone dies eventually. You might consider it
unfair when your husband is murdered, I might consider it unfair if my
wife dies in a traffic accident. We both lose, the world goes on. I,m
willing to buy safer cars and fewer murderers.

--
Free men own guns - www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/

"comadreja" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nick Hull wrote:
Nancy Rudins wrote:


There is never closure to losing a family member to murder. I've read
of cases in which the family of a murder victim did not want capital
punishment for the murderer. The family of Ted Bundy's victims are
still grieving for their loss. His execution did not bring "closure"
to the loss.

It's fine with me if the victim and her family don't want capital
punishment, as long as I don't have to feed, cloth, shelter and guard
the perp, and as long as the perp can NEVER escape.

You are paying much, much more for appeals to both the State and
Federal Court for a Capital Punishment case than paying for the upkeep
and cost for someone with LWOP. The appellate reviews, the State paid
attorneys for the defendant, State Commission hearings etc. etc. etc.

http://janda.org/c10/statisticsnews/NoDeathPenalty.htm

-c

http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.ph...cost&menu=1%22

Main reason I am against the death penalty. . . $$$$$$$$. Rare that we
execute someone relative to the amount on death row and all the extra costs
related to both the trial and all the appeals afterward.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"comadreja" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nick Hull wrote:
Nancy Rudins wrote:


There is never closure to losing a family member to murder. I've
read
of cases in which the family of a murder victim did not want capital
punishment for the murderer. The family of Ted Bundy's victims are
still grieving for their loss. His execution did not bring "closure"
to the loss.

It's fine with me if the victim and her family don't want capital
punishment, as long as I don't have to feed, cloth, shelter and guard
the perp, and as long as the perp can NEVER escape.

You are paying much, much more for appeals to both the State and
Federal Court for a Capital Punishment case than paying for the upkeep
and cost for someone with LWOP. The appellate reviews, the State paid
attorneys for the defendant, State Commission hearings etc. etc. etc.

http://janda.org/c10/statisticsnews/NoDeathPenalty.htm

-c

http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.ph...cost&menu=1%22

Main reason I am against the death penalty. . . $$$$$$$$. Rare that we
execute someone relative to the amount on death row and all the extra
costs
related to both the trial and all the appeals afterward.


Which is why I said the appeals process is a farce for somebody like Deleon,
or Charles Ng, or Richard Allen Davis, or so many MANY of those convicted of
these atrocious crimes. Crimes where *guilt* is not in doubt what so ever.
And where we all saw the *fair trial* process.


td

Nancy Rudins wrote:
Nick Hull wrote:
In article ,
"Beth In Alaska" wrote:

And I'm with Bo on the eye-for-an-eye crap. If we as a society
believe that certain behavior is wrong, then we can't condone it as a
punishment for criminals. We can't rape rapists as punishment, we
can't drive a car into the family of a drunk driver and we can't kill
killers.

Why not? Let the punishment fit the crime. Rape a rapist with a
broom handle until he dies. We should kill killers, preferably the
way they killed their victim. In this case I would advocate concrete
overshoes for the killer, put him chest deep in the water (at low
tide)

Also, it would do good to let the victim's family execute the murderer.



You aren't advocating justice; you describe revenge as a suitable
punishment. Not unlike countries where thieves are punished by
getting their hands chopped off.

Define justice, Nancy.

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

Nick Hull wrote:
In article ,
Nancy Rudins wrote:

There is never closure to losing a family member to murder. I've read
of cases in which the family of a murder victim did not want capital
punishment for the murderer. The family of Ted Bundy's victims are
still grieving for their loss. His execution did not bring "closure"
to the loss.

It's fine with me if the victim and her family don't want capital
punishment, as long as I don't have to feed, cloth, shelter and guard
the perp, and as long as the perp can NEVER escape. Those who want to
protect a perp should pay the price. For me, anyone who murders me
should suffer a like fate.

When someone dies, wether by natural or violent means, they never come
back. It really doesn't matter how people die, only what is done to
prevent future occurances. If you cannot get over a person's death you
have problems because everyone dies eventually. You might consider it
unfair when your husband is murdered, I might consider it unfair if my
wife dies in a traffic accident. We both lose, the world goes on. I,m
willing to buy safer cars and fewer murderers.



I might agree if we were all perfect people, the justice system always
made perfect decisions, and decisions were made based solely on justice
rather than human emotions of revenge. Since that's not the case, and
there's way too much room for mistakes and corruption, we can't make
a final decision on someone's life based on the results of an imperfect
justice system run by imperfect humans.

Kind regards,
Nancy

--
Take a sad song and make it better (lennon/mccartney)
Take bad software and make it better (rudins)
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins