Go Joe!!
 

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:48:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/8/2006 12:03 AM, NOYB wrote:

Quack.
Most of the Democrats who won the House races all ran to the right.
Pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun.

Yesterday's results means the end of right-wing conservative
evangelicalism as a significant force in Congress. "Pro-God" will become
a private issue, as it should be. There will be no successful
legislative efforts to restrict abortion or keep Terry Schiavo alive.
Guns were only an issue in this past issue to right-wing nutcases; the
Dems are not after you guns.






A split Congress means less spending. I see the deficit falling even
faster than Bush predicted.
This hopefully will show both parties that if they want to win, they
better move towards the center.

Which is where they should be.





The Republican party has slowly been drifting towards the center over the
past 6 years as evidenced by the changes in leadership (Lott to Frist, and
Delay to Hastert).


Lott lost his leadership position because of his stupid remarks
recalling the "good old days" of Jim Crow. DeLay lost his because he is
a slimeball. The GOP is as right-wing extreme as ever. It just has fewer
members in the House.



The Republicans need to go through a 'punishment' phase, which is what
they'll do for the next two years. As long as the administration is
Republican, the Dems can't go too overboard. After a couple years of
'punishment', the Republicans will, hopefully, get their act together and
resume control.

Go Joe!!
 

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:24:37 -0500, JohnH wrote:


The Republicans need to go through a 'punishment' phase, which is what
they'll do for the next two years. As long as the administration is
Republican, the Dems can't go too overboard. After a couple years of
'punishment', the Republicans will, hopefully, get their act together and
resume control.

"Punishment" is quite accurate. Remember Abramoff? There is much more to
come.

Go Joe!!
 

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Eisboch wrote:
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:52:06 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Most of the Democrats who won the House races all ran to the right.
Pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun.

That is true. This is still going to be a fairly conservative
congress. Losing guys like Chafee who consistantly voted against Bush
anyway is not scaring him.
Lieberman winning is pushing the DNC back on the war. Dean was on
tonight warning the faithful that we are not leaving Iraq any time
soon. Pity.


Chris Mathews was pushing Dean pretty hard for the democratic "plan" to
exit
from Iraq.
Dean was so tongue tied he couldn't answer for a while. Finally, he
muttered something like, "after we get control, we'll figure out
something".

Decisive.

Absolutely not true. The Dems have plenty on the table, ready to go in
just the first 100 HOURS:

Franklin Roosevelt had his first hundred days. House Democratic leader
Nancy Pelosi is thinking 100 hours, time enough, she says, to begin to
"drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule. As in
the first 100 hours the House meets after Democrats in her fondest wish
win control in the Nov. 7 midterm elections and Pelosi takes the gavel
as the first Madam Speaker in history.

Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists
and legislation."

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that
investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an
hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in
half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the
pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds "I
hope with a veto-proof majority," she added in an Associated Press
interview Thursday.

There's not much in that first 100 hour plan that I disagree with.



All the days after that: "Pay as you go," meaning no increasing the
deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or
some other priority. To do that, she said, Bush-era tax cuts would have
to be rolled back for those above "a certain level."

Revenues went up with the tax cut. Unfortunately, so did expenditures. If
she wants to enact "pay as you go" legislation, then she should attack it on
the expenditure side. The revenues are already there.

Any tax increase will get vetoed.

Any increase in social spending and entitlements will get vetoed.



She mentioned
annual incomes of $250,000 or $300,000 a year and higher, and said tax
rates for those individuals might revert to those of the Clinton era.

$250-300k/year does not define a "rich" person...particularly if they have a
large family, and live in a very expensive area of the country (NYC,
California, or Naples ;-))

Raise the income level to affect only the top 1/2% of income earners and
I'd support it.

Go Joe!!
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:52:06 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Most of the Democrats who won the House races all ran to the right.
Pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun.

That is true. This is still going to be a fairly conservative
congress. Losing guys like Chafee who consistantly voted against Bush
anyway is not scaring him.
Lieberman winning is pushing the DNC back on the war. Dean was on
tonight warning the faithful that we are not leaving Iraq any time
soon. Pity.


Chris Mathews was pushing Dean pretty hard for the democratic "plan" to
exit
from Iraq.
Dean was so tongue tied he couldn't answer for a while. Finally, he
muttered something like, "after we get control, we'll figure out
something".

Decisive.

Absolutely not true. The Dems have plenty on the table, ready to go in
just the first 100 HOURS:

Franklin Roosevelt had his first hundred days. House Democratic leader
Nancy Pelosi is thinking 100 hours, time enough, she says, to begin to
"drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule. As in
the first 100 hours the House meets after Democrats in her fondest wish
win control in the Nov. 7 midterm elections and Pelosi takes the gavel
as the first Madam Speaker in history.

Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists
and legislation."

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that
investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an
hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in
half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the
pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds "I
hope with a veto-proof majority," she added in an Associated Press
interview Thursday.

There's not much in that first 100 hour plan that I disagree with.



All the days after that: "Pay as you go," meaning no increasing the
deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or
some other priority. To do that, she said, Bush-era tax cuts would have
to be rolled back for those above "a certain level."

Revenues went up with the tax cut. Unfortunately, so did expenditures. If
she wants to enact "pay as you go" legislation, then she should attack it
on the expenditure side. The revenues are already there.

Any tax increase will get vetoed.

Any increase in social spending and entitlements will get vetoed.



She mentioned
annual incomes of $250,000 or $300,000 a year and higher, and said tax
rates for those individuals might revert to those of the Clinton era.

$250-300k/year does not define a "rich" person...particularly if they have
a large family, and live in a very expensive area of the country (NYC,
California, or Naples ;-))

Raise the income level to affect only the top 1/2% of income earners and
I'd support it.


As you probably already know those were not Bassy's thoughts but those from
David Espo of the AP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100600056.html

Too bad he did not credit the source.

Go Joe!!
 

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Eisboch wrote:
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:52:06 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Most of the Democrats who won the House races all ran to the right.
Pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun.

That is true. This is still going to be a fairly conservative
congress. Losing guys like Chafee who consistantly voted against Bush
anyway is not scaring him.
Lieberman winning is pushing the DNC back on the war. Dean was on
tonight warning the faithful that we are not leaving Iraq any time
soon. Pity.


Chris Mathews was pushing Dean pretty hard for the democratic "plan" to
exit
from Iraq.
Dean was so tongue tied he couldn't answer for a while. Finally, he
muttered something like, "after we get control, we'll figure out
something".

Decisive.

Absolutely not true. The Dems have plenty on the table, ready to go in
just the first 100 HOURS:

Franklin Roosevelt had his first hundred days. House Democratic leader
Nancy Pelosi is thinking 100 hours, time enough, she says, to begin to
"drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule. As in
the first 100 hours the House meets after Democrats in her fondest wish
win control in the Nov. 7 midterm elections and Pelosi takes the gavel
as the first Madam Speaker in history.

Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists
and legislation."

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that
investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an
hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in
half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the
pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds "I
hope with a veto-proof majority," she added in an Associated Press
interview Thursday.

There's not much in that first 100 hour plan that I disagree with.



All the days after that: "Pay as you go," meaning no increasing the
deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or
some other priority. To do that, she said, Bush-era tax cuts would have
to be rolled back for those above "a certain level."

Revenues went up with the tax cut. Unfortunately, so did expenditures.
If she wants to enact "pay as you go" legislation, then she should attack
it on the expenditure side. The revenues are already there.

Any tax increase will get vetoed.

Any increase in social spending and entitlements will get vetoed.



She mentioned
annual incomes of $250,000 or $300,000 a year and higher, and said tax
rates for those individuals might revert to those of the Clinton era.

$250-300k/year does not define a "rich" person...particularly if they
have a large family, and live in a very expensive area of the country
(NYC, California, or Naples ;-))

Raise the income level to affect only the top 1/2% of income earners and
I'd support it.


As you probably already know those were not Bassy's thoughts but those
from David Espo of the AP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100600056.html

Too bad he did not credit the source.

Of course I knew that bassie didn't write that. There weren't enough
grammatical and spelling errors...and no swear words.

Go Joe!!
 

NOYB wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:52:06 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Most of the Democrats who won the House races all ran to the right.
Pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun.

That is true. This is still going to be a fairly conservative
congress. Losing guys like Chafee who consistantly voted against Bush
anyway is not scaring him.
Lieberman winning is pushing the DNC back on the war. Dean was on
tonight warning the faithful that we are not leaving Iraq any time
soon. Pity.


Chris Mathews was pushing Dean pretty hard for the democratic "plan" to
exit
from Iraq.
Dean was so tongue tied he couldn't answer for a while. Finally, he
muttered something like, "after we get control, we'll figure out
something".

Decisive.

Absolutely not true. The Dems have plenty on the table, ready to go in
just the first 100 HOURS:

Franklin Roosevelt had his first hundred days. House Democratic leader
Nancy Pelosi is thinking 100 hours, time enough, she says, to begin to
"drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule. As in
the first 100 hours the House meets after Democrats in her fondest wish
win control in the Nov. 7 midterm elections and Pelosi takes the gavel
as the first Madam Speaker in history.

Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists
and legislation."

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that
investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an
hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in
half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the
pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds "I
hope with a veto-proof majority," she added in an Associated Press
interview Thursday.


There's not much in that first 100 hour plan that I disagree with.



All the days after that: "Pay as you go," meaning no increasing the
deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or
some other priority. To do that, she said, Bush-era tax cuts would have
to be rolled back for those above "a certain level."


Revenues went up with the tax cut. Unfortunately, so did expenditures. If
she wants to enact "pay as you go" legislation, then she should attack it on
the expenditure side. The revenues are already there.

Any tax increase will get vetoed.

Any increase in social spending and entitlements will get vetoed.



She mentioned

annual incomes of $250,000 or $300,000 a year and higher, and said tax
rates for those individuals might revert to those of the Clinton era.


$250-300k/year does not define a "rich" person...particularly if they have a
large family, and live in a very expensive area of the country (NYC,
California, or Naples ;-))

Raise the income level to affect only the top 1/2% of income earners and
I'd support it.


Pelosi can try all she wants, but remember.....everything stalls in
the Senate......nothing happens unless there are 60 senators that agree.

It will be interesting to see how quickly the far left overplays their
hand. The election was all about moderates winning, and in reality was
pretty much the historical average of seats switching at the 6 year
mark. if the moderate democrats play along with the extreme left in the
power positions, they will get the boot in two years.

Go Joe!!
 

JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:52:06 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Most of the Democrats who won the House races all ran to the right.
Pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun.

That is true. This is still going to be a fairly conservative
congress. Losing guys like Chafee who consistantly voted against Bush
anyway is not scaring him.
Lieberman winning is pushing the DNC back on the war. Dean was on
tonight warning the faithful that we are not leaving Iraq any time
soon. Pity.


Chris Mathews was pushing Dean pretty hard for the democratic "plan" to
exit
from Iraq.
Dean was so tongue tied he couldn't answer for a while. Finally, he
muttered something like, "after we get control, we'll figure out
something".

Decisive.

Absolutely not true. The Dems have plenty on the table, ready to go in
just the first 100 HOURS:

Franklin Roosevelt had his first hundred days. House Democratic leader
Nancy Pelosi is thinking 100 hours, time enough, she says, to begin to
"drain the swamp" after more than a decade of Republican rule. As in
the first 100 hours the House meets after Democrats in her fondest wish
win control in the Nov. 7 midterm elections and Pelosi takes the gavel
as the first Madam Speaker in history.

Day One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists
and legislation."

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that
investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an
hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in
half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the
pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds "I
hope with a veto-proof majority," she added in an Associated Press
interview Thursday.

There's not much in that first 100 hour plan that I disagree with.



All the days after that: "Pay as you go," meaning no increasing the
deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or
some other priority. To do that, she said, Bush-era tax cuts would have
to be rolled back for those above "a certain level."

Revenues went up with the tax cut. Unfortunately, so did expenditures. If
she wants to enact "pay as you go" legislation, then she should attack it
on the expenditure side. The revenues are already there.

Any tax increase will get vetoed.

Any increase in social spending and entitlements will get vetoed.



She mentioned
annual incomes of $250,000 or $300,000 a year and higher, and said tax
rates for those individuals might revert to those of the Clinton era.

$250-300k/year does not define a "rich" person...particularly if they have
a large family, and live in a very expensive area of the country (NYC,
California, or Naples ;-))

Raise the income level to affect only the top 1/2% of income earners and
I'd support it.


As you probably already know those were not Bassy's thoughts but those from
David Espo of the AP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100600056.html

Too bad he did not credit the source.

Quick, go to your local police department and tell them!!! I'll bet
they are still laughing at your little sissy whining that you were
scared of someone on usenet....
Oh, and did you tell them that it was Kevin Noble?? I hope so!