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... thought you would be interested in this.

It's a standard M6, which is the coupe version of the M5 with the same
engine, SMG transmission, etc. running against a 500 hp Lamborghini
Gallardo. The M6 has two people in it (driver and cameraman). The
Lamborghini has one person only.

Video from the back seat of the BMW.

Interesting results.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...460127077d.htm

Eisboch

RG
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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... thought you would be interested in this.

It's a standard M6, which is the coupe version of the M5 with the same
engine, SMG transmission, etc. running against a 500 hp Lamborghini
Gallardo. The M6 has two people in it (driver and cameraman). The
Lamborghini has one person only.

Video from the back seat of the BMW.

Interesting results.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...460127077d.htm



Cool. I went for a test drive yesterday with a friend in one of the new
335i twin turbo coupes. Too small for me, but a very fun driver.

RG
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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... thought you would be interested in this.

It's a standard M6, which is the coupe version of the M5 with the same
engine, SMG transmission, etc. running against a 500 hp Lamborghini
Gallardo. The M6 has two people in it (driver and cameraman). The
Lamborghini has one person only.

Video from the back seat of the BMW.

Interesting results.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...460127077d.htm


Watching that for the second time, I was a bit surprised by the shifting
characteristics of the SMG. I was expecting the shifts to be more quick,
more like what you might hear in an F1 car. Listening to the upshifts in
the M6, they sounded very much like a shift that would take place with a
conventional manual transmission, by a competent driver, but a driver that
was being fairly conservative and kind to the car.. Clean and precise, but
with a very noticeable drop in engine revs and corresponding drop in power
delivery during the shift, very much unlike the nearly instant shifts
without power delivery interruption that you would hear in an F1 car using
what I understand to be the same basic technology. Perhaps due to the
particular selection of the many program options of the SMG that the driver
of the M6 chose for that run? I understand that BMW is bring a conventional
manual to the M5 and M6 soon, much to the delight of the detractors of the
SMG.

RG
 

"RG" wrote in message
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Watching that for the second time, I was a bit surprised by the shifting
characteristics of the SMG. I was expecting the shifts to be more quick,
more like what you might hear in an F1 car. Listening to the upshifts in
the M6, they sounded very much like a shift that would take place with a
conventional manual transmission, by a competent driver, but a driver that
was being fairly conservative and kind to the car.. Clean and precise,
but with a very noticeable drop in engine revs and corresponding drop in
power delivery during the shift, very much unlike the nearly instant
shifts without power delivery interruption that you would hear in an F1
car using what I understand to be the same basic technology. Perhaps due
to the particular selection of the many program options of the SMG that
the driver of the M6 chose for that run? I understand that BMW is bring a
conventional manual to the M5 and M6 soon, much to the delight of the
detractors of the SMG.


I'll have to go back and view it again, but I know the person driving the M6
and am sure he was using the "S6" mode. In S6 the shifts are almost violent
(you can see the camera jerk each time he shifts) and they occur extreemly
fast .... something like 50 milliseconds or something. You keep your right
foot to the floor and there is no drop in engine RPM until the next gear
engages. You might have been seeing the car hitting the rev limiter a
couple of times that will drop the RPM off slightly.
This occurs at 8,250 RPM and it is hard not to hit it in 2nd or 3rd because
the car is accellerating so fast.

Eisboch

RG
 

I'll have to go back and view it again, but I know the person driving the
M6 and am sure he was using the "S6" mode. In S6 the shifts are almost
violent (you can see the camera jerk each time he shifts) and they occur
extreemly fast .... something like 50 milliseconds or something. You keep
your right foot to the floor and there is no drop in engine RPM until the
next gear engages. You might have been seeing the car hitting the rev
limiter a couple of times that will drop the RPM off slightly.
This occurs at 8,250 RPM and it is hard not to hit it in 2nd or 3rd
because the car is accellerating so fast.


I'm not surprised that the car has such a shift mode, but your description
and what I heard don't quite match. Watch it again, paying attention to the
sound of the shifts and tell me what you hear.

RG
 

"RG" wrote in message
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I'm not surprised that the car has such a shift mode, but your description
and what I heard don't quite match. Watch it again, paying attention to
the sound of the shifts and tell me what you hear.


I watched the video again a couple of times and I have to agree . the shifts
seem too easy compared to my own experience of trying S6 mode a few times.
In fact, it sounds like he is shifting too soon .somewhere well short of
8000 RPM. However, you also have to consider the following:

Both drivers are experienced performance car drivers.

Both cars have the same hp rating (500)

The BMW is heavier, plus has 2 people in it.

On paper, the BMW should have lost.

The only advantage it had was the 7 speed SMG versus a 6 speed conventional
manual.

Since they both started in second gear and I doubt the BMW ever got into
7th .

The SMG must have made the difference.



Eisboch

RG
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Just the kind of car I'd want to have in New England... :}


I know. I love the car. I don't like where drive it. Since I am not
exactly a kid anymore, it just doesn't make sense ... not that it would
make sense to a kid either.

Things you don't think about in the dealer's show room.

Eisboch

RG
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"RG" wrote in message
.. .


I'm not surprised that the car has such a shift mode, but your
description and what I heard don't quite match. Watch it again, paying
attention to the sound of the shifts and tell me what you hear.


I watched the video again a couple of times and I have to agree . the
shifts seem too easy compared to my own experience of trying S6 mode a few
times. In fact, it sounds like he is shifting too soon .somewhere well
short of 8000 RPM. However, you also have to consider the following:

Both drivers are experienced performance car drivers.

Both cars have the same hp rating (500)

The BMW is heavier, plus has 2 people in it.

On paper, the BMW should have lost.

The only advantage it had was the 7 speed SMG versus a 6 speed
conventional manual.

Since they both started in second gear and I doubt the BMW ever got into
7th .

The SMG must have made the difference.


There were only three shifts, which would have left the M6 in 5th at the end
of the race. And the shifts sound as I said earlier, very clean and
precise, but also quite leisurely for a competitive race. Apparently, the
driver of the M6 was never terribly worried about seeing the Lambo's
taillights. No need to thrash the car if you've got the race won, I
suppose. A cool video of two very cool cars, but I was surprised at how the
M6 made the race look like nothing more than a somewhat spirited departure
from a red light. I guess that's what it's all about, making the difficult
look easy and the amazing look ordinary.

RG
 

"RG" wrote in message
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There were only three shifts, which would have left the M6 in 5th at the
end of the race. And the shifts sound as I said earlier, very clean and
precise, but also quite leisurely for a competitive race. Apparently, the
driver of the M6 was never terribly worried about seeing the Lambo's
taillights. No need to thrash the car if you've got the race won, I
suppose. A cool video of two very cool cars, but I was surprised at how
the M6 made the race look like nothing more than a somewhat spirited
departure from a red light. I guess that's what it's all about, making
the difficult look easy and the amazing look ordinary.


Here's the Z06 vs M6 one ... no contest here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZWaOYMBkE

RG
 

Eisboch wrote:

Here's the Z06 vs M6 one ... no contest here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZWaOYMBkE


Here's a bug against a mustang..... no contest here, either

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o3MpngZkBuo

RG
 

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Eisboch wrote:

Here's the Z06 vs M6 one ... no contest here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZWaOYMBkE


Here's a bug against a mustang..... no contest here, either

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o3MpngZkBuo

Shortwave's gonna want that engine in his new boat.

Eisboch

RG
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..


Just the kind of car I'd want to have in New England... :}


I know. I love the car. I don't like where drive it. Since I am not
exactly a kid anymore, it just doesn't make sense ... not that it would
make sense to a kid either.

Things you don't think about in the dealer's show room.

Eisboch



Refer to the new Mustang ad, where they are unloading the car in Germany.
Asked if he could not find a suitable car in Germany, he replies that he
could not find a suitable speed limit in US. 500hp Mustang. Wonder what
the insurance costs are on that?

RG
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..


Just the kind of car I'd want to have in New England... :}


I know. I love the car. I don't like where drive it. Since I am not
exactly a kid anymore, it just doesn't make sense ... not that it would
make sense to a kid either.

Things you don't think about in the dealer's show room.

Eisboch



Refer to the new Mustang ad, where they are unloading the car in Germany.
Asked if he could not find a suitable car in Germany, he replies that he
could not find a suitable speed limit in US. 500hp Mustang. Wonder what
the insurance costs are on that?


And a really powerful VW
http://www.fresh99.com/v8-vw-westfalia.htm

Ping: RG
 

Eisboch wrote:

... thought you would be interested in this.

It's a standard M6, which is the coupe version of the M5 with the same
engine, SMG transmission, etc. running against a 500 hp Lamborghini
Gallardo. The M6 has two people in it (driver and cameraman). The
Lamborghini has one person only.

Video from the back seat of the BMW.

Interesting results.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...460127077d.htm

Eisboch



As a fellow BMW owner I still have to doubt the results of this race.
It didn't appear that either car was working very hard and the Gallardo
should have no problem taking the M6 in that distance. Why the rolling
start?

The BMW V10 is an amazing engine but against a car that weighs maybe
900# less it should be a much tougher race that they show.

New tow vehicle - '07 X5 4.8 coming soon!

Dan

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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
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As a fellow BMW owner I still have to doubt the results of this race. It
didn't appear that either car was working very hard and the Gallardo
should have no problem taking the M6 in that distance. Why the rolling
start?

The BMW V10 is an amazing engine but against a car that weighs maybe 900#
less it should be a much tougher race that they show.

New tow vehicle - '07 X5 4.8 coming soon!

Dan

This meet was at an abandoned airstrip in Sweden. Non-sticky dirty track,
so standing start would just waste rubber. The accepted method for these
runs is a rolling start. Even so, if you listen carefully, you can hear the
M6 "chirp" in both 3rd and 4th.

Both the M5 and the M6 have run against the Gallardo in several other tests
with similar results and is rated to be slightly quicker, particularly over
100 mph when the BMW V10 really starts to pull. It is amazing, considering
the weight advantage the Gallardo has and is credited to the fast shifting
SMG.

There is another video taken at the same meet with a "tuned" M6 against a
2006 Porsche 911/997 turbo. The Porsche pulls ahead at first, then the M6
starts to gain. At 250 km/h (end of test) the M6 is starting to pull ahead
of the Porsche.
There are two runs in this video because the Porsche driver requested a
restart due to a missed shift.
Again, if you simply analyze the tech specs, the Porsche should be able to
walk away from the M6, even with the additional HP due to tuning. But
.......

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...4700da9bd7.htm

Eisboch

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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
nk.net...

As a fellow BMW owner I still have to doubt the results of this race. It
didn't appear that either car was working very hard and the Gallardo
should have no problem taking the M6 in that distance. Why the rolling
start?

The BMW V10 is an amazing engine but against a car that weighs maybe 900#
less it should be a much tougher race that they show.

New tow vehicle - '07 X5 4.8 coming soon!

Dan


BTW, Dan. Even though the video looks tame, you have to remember that when
they pass the cones at the start they are doing about 30 mph. At the end
(250 km/h) they are doing just over 155 mph. Count off the seconds.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
nk.net...


As a fellow BMW owner I still have to doubt the results of this race. It
didn't appear that either car was working very hard and the Gallardo
should have no problem taking the M6 in that distance. Why the rolling
start?

The BMW V10 is an amazing engine but against a car that weighs maybe 900#
less it should be a much tougher race that they show.

New tow vehicle - '07 X5 4.8 coming soon!

Dan


This meet was at an abandoned airstrip in Sweden. Non-sticky dirty track,
so standing start would just waste rubber. The accepted method for these
runs is a rolling start. Even so, if you listen carefully, you can hear the
M6 "chirp" in both 3rd and 4th.

Both the M5 and the M6 have run against the Gallardo in several other tests
with similar results and is rated to be slightly quicker, particularly over
100 mph when the BMW V10 really starts to pull. It is amazing, considering
the weight advantage the Gallardo has and is credited to the fast shifting
SMG.

There is another video taken at the same meet with a "tuned" M6 against a
2006 Porsche 911/997 turbo. The Porsche pulls ahead at first, then the M6
starts to gain. At 250 km/h (end of test) the M6 is starting to pull ahead
of the Porsche.
There are two runs in this video because the Porsche driver requested a
restart due to a missed shift.
Again, if you simply analyze the tech specs, the Porsche should be able to
walk away from the M6, even with the additional HP due to tuning. But
......

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...4700da9bd7.htm

Eisboch



That is impressive! Almost 160 MPH in no time. Do you really think
they picked up those numbers with programming and a new cam shaft?

Dan

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Eisboch wrote:

"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
nk.net...

As a fellow BMW owner I still have to doubt the results of this race. It
didn't appear that either car was working very hard and the Gallardo
should have no problem taking the M6 in that distance. Why the rolling
start?

The BMW V10 is an amazing engine but against a car that weighs maybe 900#
less it should be a much tougher race that they show.

New tow vehicle - '07 X5 4.8 coming soon!

Dan



BTW, Dan. Even though the video looks tame, you have to remember that when
they pass the cones at the start they are doing about 30 mph. At the end
(250 km/h) they are doing just over 155 mph. Count off the seconds.

Eisboch



I did. Incredible! They are so laid back in their commentary. I would
be gasping for air!