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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Supposedly, some of the larger marina's around these parts are going
to start requiring million dollar liability policies for boats over 24
feet. Minimum liability coverage at $500,000 for boats under.

Hmmmm....


I've had 2 million liability on the Navigator since the year after I bought
it. Didn't trust my boat handling skills. :-)

Actually, the basic policy included 1 million for liability. It was very
short bucks to increase it to 2 million which I did after seeing some of the
mega yachts down south.

On another note ... just listed the Navigator with a broker. After
considerable thought we've come to realize that it is doubtful that we have
any long range cruising in our future for a while. Too busy with other
activities and would be limited in the amount of time we could spend away.
We'll keep the GB and use it for local cruising over to Martha's Vineyard,
Cuttyhunk, etc.

Problem is .... if and when it sells I'll have a 55' empty slip. I can
always lease it out.
The slip is the best non-real estate investment we've made.

Eisboch

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Supposedly, some of the larger marina's around these parts are going
to start requiring million dollar liability policies for boats over 24
feet. Minimum liability coverage at $500,000 for boats under.

Hmmmm....


I've had 2 million liability on the Navigator since the year after I
bought it. Didn't trust my boat handling skills. :-)

Actually, the basic policy included 1 million for liability. It was very
short bucks to increase it to 2 million which I did after seeing some of
the mega yachts down south.

On another note ... just listed the Navigator with a broker. After
considerable thought we've come to realize that it is doubtful that we
have any long range cruising in our future for a while. Too busy with
other activities and would be limited in the amount of time we could spend
away. We'll keep the GB and use it for local cruising over to Martha's
Vineyard, Cuttyhunk, etc.

Problem is .... if and when it sells I'll have a 55' empty slip. I can
always lease it out.
The slip is the best non-real estate investment we've made.

Eisboch

Am I hearing this right?

????? "First Mate Eisboch" ?????

Jim

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"Jim" wrote in message
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We'll keep the GB and use it for local cruising over to Martha's
Vineyard, Cuttyhunk, etc.


Am I hearing this right?

????? "First Mate Eisboch" ?????

Jim



I'll still be the boat captain. She'll still be the Admiral.

I've been cleaning out the Nav for the past two days. Can't believe the crap
we had on this boat all hidden away. Probably a 1000 lbs or more of junk,
most of it duplicates and triplicates of the same thing. Betcha if I take
it out it will be at least 3 knots faster.

Eisboch

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I'm getting a lot of pressure to get something larger and more
accommodating (Damn you Wayne B - Damn you to hell). :)

And I have a buyer waiting in the wings.

And no, I'm not interested in Navigators - too slow. :)

Man, I have a feeling this is going to hurt - expensive slow boat to
China type hurt.

SPEED RULES!!!


You could always rip out the diesels and put in a surplus gas turbine.
Might have to modify the trim tabs a bit though.

Good project for you.

Eisboch

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Seriously, I'm in something of a quandry on this - I honestly don't
want a boat like that, but.....


If you honestly don't .... then don't.

The other option is two boats ... a big, comfortable cruiser ... for
cruising and a fast, sportsboat for zipping around the fishing spots.

It's kinda funny. The GB is like a turtle when compared to the Navigator
and the Navigator is slow when compared to the 37' Egg Harbor Sportsyacht we
had for a couple of years. The Egg could cruise (conditions permitting) at
30-32 knots, was a much lighter boat and burned *lots* of fuel. The heavier
Navigator cruises at 19 knots, is much more comfortable in heavy seas and
burns about two thirds the fuel than the Egg did at cruise. The GB is just
plain relaxing at 7-8 knots, has its own unique character and sips fuel.
Surprisingly, I find it very enjoyable. If we ever do take a long distance
trip in it, I can already tell it will be very different than traveling in
the Navigator or the Egg Harbor. Slower paced and frankly more stress-free,
not trying to do 100 - 150 miles at day just to "get there".

Eisboch

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:54:15 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

I'm getting a lot of pressure to get something larger and more
accommodating (Damn you Wayne B - Damn you to hell). :)

Ahem...

Eisboch is right, two boats is the answer. The problem is trying to
figure out which two. :-)

Maybe it's really a three boat answer. Let's see, I've got dock space
for two, and for pay trailer storage which costs no more with a boat
on it. I think that would do it. Keep the GB for the long distance
excursions, something like a SeaRay 26 for fast week ending, and a
center console fishing boat on the trailer. Yee hah, wait until I
tell Mrs B (aka, the Admiral) about this plan. That should just about
do it, along with the three inflatables, the canoe, the kayak and my
son's wind surfer.

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:58:06 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

I'm not reluctant to buy a bigger boat like yours, I just object to
the lack of oomph if you will. :)

Take a look at Eisboch's - nice new boat, plenty of oomph, halfway
economical to run.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbinia

Eisboch wrote:
You could always rip out the diesels and put in a surplus gas turbine.
Might have to modify the trim tabs a bit though.

Good project for you.

Eisboch

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:58:06 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

I'm not reluctant to buy a bigger boat like yours, I just object to
the lack of oomph if you will. :)

Take a look at Eisboch's - nice new boat, plenty of oomph, halfway
economical to run.


19-20 knots isn't what Shortwave calls "oomph". He needs a gas turbine.
BTW ... there's a newer 52' GB Europa next door to me right now. I was
talking to the owner yesterday. It's for sale. It's a very nice, roomy
boat, but I still like the classic design like yours and Mrs.E's little 36.

The only thing her boat does not have that I insist on before we do any
summertime cruising is air conditioning. I've talked to Kingman and they
will be installing one in the engine room this winter.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:03:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

19-20 knots isn't what Shortwave calls "oomph". He needs a gas turbine.

That can be arranged, SMOM (Small Matter Of Money). There are some
production cruisers out there that will run at 30+ kts but they burn
over 3 gallons per mile.

BTW ... there's a newer 52' GB Europa next door to me right now. I was
talking to the owner yesterday. It's for sale. It's a very nice, roomy
boat, but I still like the classic design like yours and Mrs.E's little 36.

Yes, I prefer the Classic GBs also but I don't think they are in new
production any longer. There are good used ones around but they need
to be carefully surveyed.


The only thing her boat does not have that I insist on before we do any
summertime cruising is air conditioning. I've talked to Kingman and they
will be installing one in the engine room this winter.

I assume you will get reverse cycle A/C that can also heat? It's a
nice thing on chilly mornings.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:03:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


The only thing her boat does not have that I insist on before we do any
summertime cruising is air conditioning. I've talked to Kingman and they
will be installing one in the engine room this winter.

I assume you will get reverse cycle A/C that can also heat? It's a
nice thing on chilly mornings.


Yup. CruiseAir or similar. I'd like to get one unit that is big enough to
handle the cabin, aft stateroom and V berth area. I was thinking that maybe
6" supply ducts could be used with dampers to adjust individual air flow
rates. The larger return would obviously be in the main cabin. Might have
to give up one of the drawers under a seat for it. I am thinking a
13,500 -15000 BTU would do it, but not sure. We will also have to add a
second, 30 amp service I think.

I've been on the Navigator for the past three days doing a major clean-up.
The need for air conditioning is over but it sure is nice turning them on
for heat in the morning. It was 39 degrees here when I got up today.

Eisboch

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I assume you will get reverse cycle A/C that can also heat? It's a
nice thing on chilly mornings.


Yes, they're nice units. I think the marginal cost over a
straight A/C is so marginal that there's no reason not to
have one. One word of caution... when you chose a unit, even
if you're hiring the installation out, read the manual
carefully. A lot of times basic installation is not kosher
and the unit won't work as well or will have problems.


Eisboch wrote:
Yup. CruiseAir or similar. I'd like to get one unit that is big enough to
handle the cabin, aft stateroom and V berth area. I was thinking that maybe
6" supply ducts could be used with dampers to adjust individual air flow
rates. The larger return would obviously be in the main cabin. Might have
to give up one of the drawers under a seat for it. I am thinking a
13,500 -15000 BTU would do it, but not sure. We will also have to add a
second, 30 amp service I think.


If you're planning to use the boat anywhere south of
Virginia or so, 15k ain't big enough. And we run a 28k'er on
30 amps so you can think bigger... within limits of course....

If I were going with a new installation on a boat 35' or
bigger, I'd strongly consider one of the chilled water
circulation systems. They can be very efficient and you can
put small heat exchangers & fans in lots of places
throughout the boat. Less bulky & easier to regulate than 6"
ducting w/ dampers.

Fair Skies- Doug King

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Yes, they're nice units. I think the marginal cost over a straight A/C is
so marginal that there's no reason not to have one. One word of caution...
when you chose a unit, even if you're hiring the installation out, read
the manual carefully. A lot of times basic installation is not kosher and
the unit won't work as well or will have problems.



If you're planning to use the boat anywhere south of Virginia or so, 15k
ain't big enough. And we run a 28k'er on 30 amps so you can think
bigger... within limits of course....

If I were going with a new installation on a boat 35' or bigger, I'd
strongly consider one of the chilled water circulation systems. They can
be very efficient and you can put small heat exchangers & fans in lots of
places throughout the boat. Less bulky & easier to regulate than 6"
ducting w/ dampers.

Fair Skies- Doug King


I need to do more homework on the sizing. Too small and it won't handle the
heat load. Too big and it doesn't run enough to de-humidify. The Navigator
has four independent units. The smallest is 7000 BTU and the largest is
11,500 BTU. Multiple units would be ideal in the GB, but I am not sure
there's enough space in the engine room. We'll see.

Eisboch