Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:59:06 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:25:55 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I upgraded to Agent 4.0 yesterday and it blew everything up - wiped
all the messages and threads. I had to scramble to find the Agent 3
file to restore some functionality to Usenet functions.

Not only that, but it wiped all the threads out and I can't find where
I was in the discussion cycle with John and others.

You heard tell of such a thing?

No.... ! What did you upgrade from, Version 3.3? Are you sure you
upgraded into the same directory?

Couldn't he also just retrieve all headers for the group, sort by date,
delete all but the last couple days, and then sort by thread?

I'm not sure what version 4.0 does, but it's easy repopulate a group's
headers with 1.91.
--
******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:01:15 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:03:42 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:59:06 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:25:55 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I upgraded to Agent 4.0 yesterday and it blew everything up - wiped
all the messages and threads. I had to scramble to find the Agent 3
file to restore some functionality to Usenet functions.

Not only that, but it wiped all the threads out and I can't find where
I was in the discussion cycle with John and others.

You heard tell of such a thing?

No.... ! What did you upgrade from, Version 3.3? Are you sure you
upgraded into the same directory?

Couldn't he also just retrieve all headers for the group, sort by date,
delete all but the last couple days, and then sort by thread?

I'm not sure what version 4.0 does, but it's easy repopulate a group's
headers with 1.91.

I suspect that is the course taken, but if SWS keeps a history of
older posts those will have scrolled off of the ISPs server and will
be forever lost (in the Usenet format).

My ISP carries them back to Jan, '06, some 36000+ headers. But I think he's
only really interested in the past few days.
--
******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......



JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:01:15 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:03:42 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:59:06 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:25:55 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I upgraded to Agent 4.0 yesterday and it blew everything up - wiped
all the messages and threads. I had to scramble to find the Agent 3
file to restore some functionality to Usenet functions.

Not only that, but it wiped all the threads out and I can't find where
I was in the discussion cycle with John and others.

You heard tell of such a thing?

No.... ! What did you upgrade from, Version 3.3? Are you sure you
upgraded into the same directory?

Couldn't he also just retrieve all headers for the group, sort by date,
delete all but the last couple days, and then sort by thread?

I'm not sure what version 4.0 does, but it's easy repopulate a group's
headers with 1.91.

I suspect that is the course taken, but if SWS keeps a history of
older posts those will have scrolled off of the ISPs server and will
be forever lost (in the Usenet format).

My ISP carries them back to Jan, '06, some 36000+ headers. But I think he's
only really interested in the past few days.
--
******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

Goggle has actually gone back to the beginning of USENET and has all of
the articles, unless you want yours "removed" from view.

Way back to 1981 or there abouts.

wrote:
I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......



JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:01:15 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:03:42 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:59:06 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:25:55 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I upgraded to Agent 4.0 yesterday and it blew everything up - wiped
all the messages and threads. I had to scramble to find the Agent 3
file to restore some functionality to Usenet functions.

Not only that, but it wiped all the threads out and I can't find where
I was in the discussion cycle with John and others.

You heard tell of such a thing?
No.... ! What did you upgrade from, Version 3.3? Are you sure you
upgraded into the same directory?
Couldn't he also just retrieve all headers for the group, sort by date,
delete all but the last couple days, and then sort by thread?

I'm not sure what version 4.0 does, but it's easy repopulate a group's
headers with 1.91.
I suspect that is the course taken, but if SWS keeps a history of
older posts those will have scrolled off of the ISPs server and will
be forever lost (in the Usenet format).
My ISP carries them back to Jan, '06, some 36000+ headers. But I think he's
only really interested in the past few days.
--
******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

Probably so, but I've oly looksed for info and found '96



Bert Robbins wrote:
Goggle has actually gone back to the beginning of USENET and has all of
the articles, unless you want yours "removed" from view.

Way back to 1981 or there abouts.

wrote:
I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......



JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:01:15 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:03:42 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:59:06 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:25:55 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I upgraded to Agent 4.0 yesterday and it blew everything up - wiped
all the messages and threads. I had to scramble to find the Agent 3
file to restore some functionality to Usenet functions.

Not only that, but it wiped all the threads out and I can't find where
I was in the discussion cycle with John and others.

You heard tell of such a thing?
No.... ! What did you upgrade from, Version 3.3? Are you sure you
upgraded into the same directory?
Couldn't he also just retrieve all headers for the group, sort by date,
delete all but the last couple days, and then sort by thread?

I'm not sure what version 4.0 does, but it's easy repopulate a group's
headers with 1.91.
I suspect that is the course taken, but if SWS keeps a history of
older posts those will have scrolled off of the ISPs server and will
be forever lost (in the Usenet format).
My ISP carries them back to Jan, '06, some 36000+ headers. But I think he's
only really interested in the past few days.
--
******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:59:35 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 2 Sep 2006 13:07:41 -0700, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......

Although they are outfitting Agent to handle binaries, I'm not a
picture collector and if I was.... I'm not sure I'd use Agent, yet,
anyway.

At this point in development, I think that Agent's strengths lie in
its ability to filter, killfile, and the configurability of the
interface. So, if you are tired of reading OffTopic crap, google is
not you best source.

If OE does all you want, fine, but I've never cared for Outlook in any
of its iterations. In fact, there are some other really great
newsreaders out there, but some are orphaned and some suffer from lack
of speed.

There still are quite a few here that use Agent.

Agent has been handling binaries since it was free many years ago.
Pictures, movies, and audio files are all downloadable with the old
versions of Agent.
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:19:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On 2 Sep 2006 13:07:41 -0700, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......

Although they are outfitting Agent to handle binaries, I'm not a
picture collector and if I was.... I'm not sure I'd use Agent, yet,
anyway.

At this point in development, I think that Agent's strengths lie in
its ability to filter, killfile, and the configurability of the
interface. So, if you are tired of reading OffTopic crap, google is
not you best source.

If OE does all you want, fine, but I've never cared for Outlook in any
of its iterations. In fact, there are some other really great
newsreaders out there, but some are orphaned and some suffer from lack
of speed.

There still are quite a few here that use Agent.



Too annoying, arcane. involved, and how does it handle multiple email
and news accounts?

The newsgroup filters in Thunderbird work fine, plus the program is
improved on an ongoing basis, with all manner of features added by third
parties. Some of these features are very interesting or helpful or both.

Agent enable subscription to as many newsgroups as you desire. You can
download headers in all the subscribed groups or just those you select. You
can download just the new headers or all the headers. Using the email
capability requires the input of the account info, just as any email
program does.

I use ms outlook for email though.
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:11:21 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:19:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On 2 Sep 2006 13:07:41 -0700, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......
Although they are outfitting Agent to handle binaries, I'm not a
picture collector and if I was.... I'm not sure I'd use Agent, yet,
anyway.

At this point in development, I think that Agent's strengths lie in
its ability to filter, killfile, and the configurability of the
interface. So, if you are tired of reading OffTopic crap, google is
not you best source.

If OE does all you want, fine, but I've never cared for Outlook in any
of its iterations. In fact, there are some other really great
newsreaders out there, but some are orphaned and some suffer from lack
of speed.

There still are quite a few here that use Agent.


Too annoying, arcane. involved, and how does it handle multiple email
and news accounts?

The newsgroup filters in Thunderbird work fine, plus the program is
improved on an ongoing basis, with all manner of features added by third
parties. Some of these features are very interesting or helpful or both.

Agent enable subscription to as many newsgroups as you desire. You can
download headers in all the subscribed groups or just those you select. You
can download just the new headers or all the headers. Using the email
capability requires the input of the account info, just as any email
program does.

I use ms outlook for email though.
--
John


Yeah, I know how it works. I just don't like the way it works. Too
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera. And it sucks on email.

Don't use it then. It's probably the simplest program to configure for
newsgroups. It downloads all the group names, you select the groups you
want, and click "get new headers'. That doesn't seem too hard!
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:23:25 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:11:21 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:19:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On 2 Sep 2006 13:07:41 -0700, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......
Although they are outfitting Agent to handle binaries, I'm not a
picture collector and if I was.... I'm not sure I'd use Agent, yet,
anyway.

At this point in development, I think that Agent's strengths lie in
its ability to filter, killfile, and the configurability of the
interface. So, if you are tired of reading OffTopic crap, google is
not you best source.

If OE does all you want, fine, but I've never cared for Outlook in any
of its iterations. In fact, there are some other really great
newsreaders out there, but some are orphaned and some suffer from lack
of speed.

There still are quite a few here that use Agent.

Too annoying, arcane. involved, and how does it handle multiple email
and news accounts?

The newsgroup filters in Thunderbird work fine, plus the program is
improved on an ongoing basis, with all manner of features added by third
parties. Some of these features are very interesting or helpful or both.
Agent enable subscription to as many newsgroups as you desire. You can
download headers in all the subscribed groups or just those you select. You
can download just the new headers or all the headers. Using the email
capability requires the input of the account info, just as any email
program does.

I use ms outlook for email though.
--
John

Yeah, I know how it works. I just don't like the way it works. Too
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera. And it sucks on email.

Don't use it then. It's probably the simplest program to configure for
newsgroups. It downloads all the group names, you select the groups you
want, and click "get new headers'. That doesn't seem too hard!
--
John


You think "downloading the group names" and "selecting the groups you
want" is something unique, eh?

Unique? No.

Easy? Yes!
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:41:02 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:03:02 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:59:35 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 2 Sep 2006 13:07:41 -0700, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

I'm out of the loop with what you all are talking about, but I've been
very satisfied with Google. It can go back to 1996 on some stuff.
probably even farther than that.

I can't do binaries though.


oh well.......

Although they are outfitting Agent to handle binaries, I'm not a
picture collector and if I was.... I'm not sure I'd use Agent, yet,
anyway.

At this point in development, I think that Agent's strengths lie in
its ability to filter, killfile, and the configurability of the
interface. So, if you are tired of reading OffTopic crap, google is
not you best source.

If OE does all you want, fine, but I've never cared for Outlook in any
of its iterations. In fact, there are some other really great
newsreaders out there, but some are orphaned and some suffer from lack
of speed.

There still are quite a few here that use Agent.

Agent has been handling binaries since it was free many years ago.
Pictures, movies, and audio files are all downloadable with the old
versions of Agent.

What is new is that it allows you to do so within Agent..... images,
image preview, and (if you so choose) images within HTML (obviously
excludes Usenet without attachments).

The preview sounds like a great idea. My version doesn't have that. I do
have a fast download capability, but sometimes it would be nice to preview
the equivalent of say 1000 lines, rather than wait for 40,000 lines to
download.
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:13:11 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:11:21 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Yeah, I know how it works. I just don't like the way it works. Too
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera. And it sucks on email.

You may want to look at the way email filtering works. Totally
intuitive...though I still won't recommend the program until nested
folders....



Gene, T'bird presents any number of ways to filter email "intuitively."

What is it that "Agent" does that is important, significant and unique?

Stick with T'bird!
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

You think "downloading the group names" and "selecting the groups you
want" is something unique, eh?

Unique? No.

Easy? Yes!
--
John

No easier than any of a half dozen other programs.

Next?

Some people use Agent or Mozilla apps simply to "boycott" Microsoft. Not
sure if that's the case with anyone here, but arguing about the merits of 3
things that are almost identical is pointless.

The only reason I stick with Outlook Express is because last time I tried
Agent & Thunderbird, they could not do this:

In a newsgroup, imagine two sorted lists. At the top of the list of headers,
I have my "watched" threads, in red, with the latest thread subject at the
top of the list. Not the latest message - the latest subject.

Further down the list of stuff, a list begins in black. These are UNwatched
threads. Whether I've peaked at them or not, they are black until I mark
them as "watched". This list is also sorted with latest date at the top.

Last time I tried Thunderbird, I found I could mark watched threads, but
could not sort ALL the watched threads so they'd be at the top of the
general heap of threads. Instead, they were interspersed throughout the
general list, in date order. They were still visible, but if I was watching
a thread that began two weeks ago, it could be WAY down in the list. Dumb.
Of course, no help is available in the Moz newsgroups, except the standard
"Duh...it cuz u've uz Windoze. Get Linux".

I don't recall what the deal was with Agent. It's visit to my computer
lasted three days. Probably the same "failure to sort" issue.

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:13:11 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:11:21 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Yeah, I know how it works. I just don't like the way it works. Too
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera. And it sucks on email.

You may want to look at the way email filtering works. Totally
intuitive...though I still won't recommend the program until nested
folders....



Gene, T'bird presents any number of ways to filter email "intuitively."

What is it that "Agent" does that is important, significant and unique?

Stick with T'bird!
--
John

He asked a fair question.

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:13:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:13:11 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:11:21 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Yeah, I know how it works. I just don't like the way it works. Too
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera. And it sucks on email.

You may want to look at the way email filtering works. Totally
intuitive...though I still won't recommend the program until nested
folders....



Gene, T'bird presents any number of ways to filter email "intuitively."

What is it that "Agent" does that is important, significant and unique?

Stick with T'bird!
--
John

He asked a fair question.


Harry's rational for not using Agent was, "...Too annoying, involved,
intricate, et cetera." I discussed those.

Now he wants a comparison. As I don't use T'bird, that would be difficult,
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera.

Besides, if Agent was too intricate, any comparison would be even more so.
--
John

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:13:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:13:11 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:11:21 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Yeah, I know how it works. I just don't like the way it works. Too
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera. And it sucks on email.

You may want to look at the way email filtering works. Totally
intuitive...though I still won't recommend the program until nested
folders....



Gene, T'bird presents any number of ways to filter email "intuitively."

What is it that "Agent" does that is important, significant and unique?

Stick with T'bird!
--
John

He asked a fair question.


Harry's rational for not using Agent was, "...Too annoying, involved,
intricate, et cetera." I discussed those.

Now he wants a comparison. As I don't use T'bird, that would be difficult,
annoying, involved, intricate, et cetera.

Besides, if Agent was too intricate, any comparison would be even more so.
--
John

I guess the real question would be why would you opt for third party
software when there's a perfectly OK mail & news program as part of Windows?

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:13:11 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


What is it that "Agent" does that is important, significant and unique?

At this point, probably nothing....

..... but then we could say that about any newsreader or email client,
I suppose.

Lets see where the roadmap takes them...

If there was a roadmap, they know where it was taking them. We're talking
about a vegetable peeler, not a new method of space travel. How much more
can a vegetable peeler do?

Paging Gene Kearns...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:13:11 -0400, Harry Krause penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

What is it that "Agent" does that is important, significant and unique?
At this point, probably nothing....

..... but then we could say that about any newsreader or email client,
I suppose.

Lets see where the roadmap takes them...

If there was a roadmap, they know where it was taking them. We're talking
about a vegetable peeler, not a new method of space travel. How much more
can a vegetable peeler do?


Haven't seen all the nifty third-party extensions to T'bird and Firefox,
eh?


Although I use Firefox, I'm still wary of "gifts" from the open sauce mob
associated with Mozilla. They have a hideous reputation for caring little
about quality.