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Gene Kearns wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:22:16 -0400, JohnH wrote: If the students can do nothing, and they pass the tests, then the tests may be too easy, or the 'passing' standard is too low (most likely, due to politics and unions, the latter). Unions make a convenient whipping boy, but to my knowledge, they have never written a test. There is a lot of politics in education, however. Problem is: ****ed off parents are also voters. The message needs to be that lenient parenting is NOT helping the kid..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- Unions are protecting teachers Gene, at least in Ohio. My wife taught for 32 years and can tell you many horror stories. However, the blame does not rest with them but rather with the lack of parent participation/interest in the education of their children.......without that all bets are off. The city of Cleveland has a graduation rate at around 50%.........50%!!!!!!!!!! Surrounding suburbs are generally in the 99% range. Go figure. ;-) |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:27:37 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:22:16 -0400, JohnH wrote: If the students can do nothing, and they pass the tests, then the tests may be too easy, or the 'passing' standard is too low (most likely, due to politics and unions, the latter). Unions make a convenient whipping boy, but to my knowledge, they have never written a test. There is a lot of politics in education, however. Problem is: ****ed off parents are also voters. The message needs to be that lenient parenting is NOT helping the kid..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- We agree on your last point! Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:20:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:07:42 -0400, JohnH wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:27:37 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:22:16 -0400, JohnH wrote: If the students can do nothing, and they pass the tests, then the tests may be too easy, or the 'passing' standard is too low (most likely, due to politics and unions, the latter). Unions make a convenient whipping boy, but to my knowledge, they have never written a test. There is a lot of politics in education, however. Problem is: ****ed off parents are also voters. The message needs to be that lenient parenting is NOT helping the kid..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- We agree on your last point! Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. If we're speaking classroom tests, that is true. If we're speaking about performance tests or state standard tests or mastery tests, no. Many teachers move to school administration jobs. Many texts and tests are written by former educators. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:24:59 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:20:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. If we're speaking classroom tests, that is true. If we're speaking about performance tests or state standard tests or mastery tests, no. The problem with that reasoning is the whole education establishment is so vertically integrated that it is virtually the same group of people from the state board of education right down to the students in a teacher's college. It is a culture that has very little contact with anyone outside the education community. Hmmmm - and how is that different from, say NASA or IBM? I just saw that a contract has been let from NASA to Lockheed/Martin to build, get this, another capsule system to reach the moon and beyond. 40 year old updated technology - where's the innovation? A contract negotiated during golf games and expensive dinners, followed by promises of a lucrative private job after leaving NASA? That's innovative. It happens all the time. |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:12:20 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:28:56 -0400, JohnH wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:20:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:07:42 -0400, JohnH wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:27:37 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:22:16 -0400, JohnH wrote: If the students can do nothing, and they pass the tests, then the tests may be too easy, or the 'passing' standard is too low (most likely, due to politics and unions, the latter). Unions make a convenient whipping boy, but to my knowledge, they have never written a test. There is a lot of politics in education, however. Problem is: ****ed off parents are also voters. The message needs to be that lenient parenting is NOT helping the kid..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- We agree on your last point! Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. If we're speaking classroom tests, that is true. If we're speaking about performance tests or state standard tests or mastery tests, no. Many teachers move to school administration jobs. No they don't and if they do, it's very early in their careers. It's a whole separate certification process to be an administrator requiring almost PhD level requirements. Many texts and tests are written by former educators. Also not true. They may be "educators" in the sense that they have credentials as educators, but many have never seen a classroom in their lives. Tom, I've several friends who've gone from teaching to working at various support/administrative positions at both the county and state levels. Here is a job announcement for the type position I'm referring to. Notice that there are other qualifications than the 'post graduate (not PhD) education requirements: *********************************** Coordinator III, Standards of Learning and Remediation Job Number 5598 Location Lacey Center Job Type Central Administrator/Manager Contract Length 260-Day Contract Full or Part-time Full-time Grade US-27 Closing Date Sep 06, 2006 Description and Qualifications Middle School Instruction Description: Plans, manages, and coordinates program and personnel for Standards of Learning and remediation in the office of Middle School Curriculum and Instruction; and exercises leadership to design, implement, assess, and revise a curriculum service or other educational program. Qualifications: Postgraduate Professional License with teaching endorsement(s) with administration and supervision preK-12 endorsement preferred OR with job-specific related credentials, plus 6 years' progressive experience in teaching and/or administration and supervision OR related experience in Standards of Learning and remediation. Knowledge of philosophy, goals, procedures, organization, and the professional specialties of Standards of Learning and remediation. Familiarity with applicable regulations, legislation, and policies. Knowledge of public education organization and administrative requirements in Standards of Learning and remediation. Ability to manage and coordinate programs and to supervise and evaluate personnel. ************************************************* -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:31:08 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:24:59 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:20:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. If we're speaking classroom tests, that is true. If we're speaking about performance tests or state standard tests or mastery tests, no. The problem with that reasoning is the whole education establishment is so vertically integrated that it is virtually the same group of people from the state board of education right down to the students in a teacher's college. It is a culture that has very little contact with anyone outside the education community. Hmmmm - and how is that different from, say NASA or IBM? I just saw that a contract has been let from NASA to Lockheed/Martin to build, get this, another capsule system to reach the moon and beyond. 40 year old updated technology - where's the innovation? Tom, no one said it was different. You said it didn't happen. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:45:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:24:59 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:20:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. If we're speaking classroom tests, that is true. If we're speaking about performance tests or state standard tests or mastery tests, no. The problem with that reasoning is the whole education establishment is so vertically integrated that it is virtually the same group of people from the state board of education right down to the students in a teacher's college. It is a culture that has very little contact with anyone outside the education community. Hmmmm - and how is that different from, say NASA or IBM? I just saw that a contract has been let from NASA to Lockheed/Martin to build, get this, another capsule system to reach the moon and beyond. 40 year old updated technology - where's the innovation? A contract negotiated during golf games and expensive dinners, followed by promises of a lucrative private job after leaving NASA? That's innovative. It happens all the time. It also happens in the education system. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:45:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:24:59 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:20:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Unions are composed of teachers and the union hierarchy. The unionized teachers *do* write tests. If we're speaking classroom tests, that is true. If we're speaking about performance tests or state standard tests or mastery tests, no. The problem with that reasoning is the whole education establishment is so vertically integrated that it is virtually the same group of people from the state board of education right down to the students in a teacher's college. It is a culture that has very little contact with anyone outside the education community. Hmmmm - and how is that different from, say NASA or IBM? I just saw that a contract has been let from NASA to Lockheed/Martin to build, get this, another capsule system to reach the moon and beyond. 40 year old updated technology - where's the innovation? A contract negotiated during golf games and expensive dinners, followed by promises of a lucrative private job after leaving NASA? That's innovative. It happens all the time. It also happens in the education system. John Is THAT why there were 123 soda machines in my son's high school until recently? :) |
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