St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

Doug,

Its obvious from your defensive and soulful rant that you have never
been on or even near the St. Johns River, where the new zones went into
place. Pick out a stretch of water 4 miles wide and 300 miles long. Now
take away all the water is OVER 8 feet deep and that is what the sea cow
DOES NOT USE. Yet it is all a CowZone.

24 mph in the channal is ridiculous. The cow doesn't go there. 3000 foot
buffer zones are ridiculous. The cow doesn't go past 800! Why? there is
no food, and they like to laze on the bottom and come up with a light
burp to get air.

Please get your facts straight.

Capt. Frank, Who has Manatees all around his dock.

By the way, have you ever heard a Manatee fart?

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...

Tell ya what: I'd agree with eliminating "Manatee zones", as long as we

also

eliminate all boating regulations in any area where your children swim.
How's that?



You don't have a clue what we are talking about do you? Folks in Nebraska

think

a "manatee zone" is some small little cove somewhere, off the beaten path.

In

some places like SW Fla it is virtually everywhere that isn't "offshore".


I have plenty of clues. I'm reacting to your attitude. Earlier in this
thread, someone explained what may well be the real reason the manatees are
where they are in such high numbers: Warm water from electric plants. This
is an example of an animal adjusting to an artificial situation WE created,
same as lake trout congregate around warm water plumes here in Lake Ontario.
If you don't like the situation, stop using electricity or move to another
planet. There's no free lunch.

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 02:27:08 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

What are you complaining about?
The US and Canada were founded by, and prospered with, immigrants.
What makes the Manatee so different?


Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote in message
news:BiW%a.21907
snip...
The Sea Cow is not even a native, but comes from the east indies. Why we
lettin some forign critter take over?

C.F.


It's hard to tell, since Capt. Frank is responding to posts from back
in May of this year. My news provider doesn't have that kind of
retention, thankfully.

noah

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:51:29 +0000, Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote:

The Sea Cow is not even a native, but comes from the east indies.
Why we lettin some forign critter take over?

The manatee regulations may be to stringent, but the above is pure
BS. The manatee has been indigenous to Florida for over 45 million
years. Florida even has it's own subspecies, Trichechus manatus
latirostris.

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"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
hlink.net...

By the way, have you ever heard a Manatee fart?

Isn't that technically a blart?

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:52:44 -0400, "thunder" wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:51:29 +0000, Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote:

The Sea Cow is not even a native, but comes from the east indies.
Why we lettin some forign critter take over?

The manatee regulations may be to stringent, but the above is pure
BS. The manatee has been indigenous to Florida for over 45 million
years. Florida even has it's own subspecies, Trichechus manatus
latirostris.

Yeah, but 45 million years ago it must have come from somewhere.:)

Steve

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"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
The Sea Cow is not even a native, but comes from the east indies.
Why we lettin some forign critter take over?

The manatee regulations may be to stringent, but the above is pure
BS. The manatee has been indigenous to Florida for over 45 million
years. Florida even has it's own subspecies, Trichechus manatus
latirostris.

Yeah, but 45 million years ago it must have come from somewhere.:)


The fact still remains that without the thermal pollution of man these
things
would swim away and most would not come back. I say, let EPA do it's job
and
eliminate the pollution from power plants. Sequester that water in
retention
ponds until it cools.
We have a power plant that heats water in the only cross penninsular water
way
in Florida and wonder why so many of these cows get hit. It is like
putting a
salt lick in the median of I-4 and wondering why all the deer get hit.
Also I think they should catch the manatee and tag them with a shock
collar
that gives negative reinforcement whenever they swim toward a boat.
We don't close the roads because a few dogs chase cars. We train the dogs.

Even School Zones for kids only require that you slow down to 15 and there
are lot more cars on the road than boats in the water.
..
Manatee Zones require that you slow to 6mph+/-.

Are manatees more important than kids?

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

Even School Zones for kids only require that you slow down to 15 and there
are lot more cars on the road than boats in the water.

Cars have brakes...boats don't. Cars can stop without throwing their
transmissions into reverse and then continuing to travel forward until
reverse power overcomes forward momentum. The more forward momentum, the
longer it takes a boat to stop.

Cars don't have exposed propellers either...so if one should knock down
a child at 15 mph, it's not as likely to take off an arm, leg or head as
a boat going the same speed.

Manatee Zones require that you slow to 6mph+/-.

Which is slow enough, provided that you also keep a proper lookout so
you can see anything in the water, for a reverse throttle to stop the
boat pretty close to immediately...faster and the boat will continue to
move forward.

Are manatees more important than kids?

A manatee isn't the only thing you could hit. Learning a little bit
about the dynamics of what makes your boat move and what it takes to
stop it could also save a kid's life...at the very least, it could
prevent damage to your boat.

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St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

On 18 Aug 2003 15:54:35 GMT, reg (Gfretwell) wrote:


The fact still remains that without the thermal pollution of man these things
would swim away and most would not come back.

Without the industries that cause thermal pollution there would be
about 6 billion less people also. I think the manatees would agree to
swim in cold water if we would shut down all the thermal pollution
sources.

bb

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On 18 Aug 2003 12:07:05 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Then, using the same analogy, humans must not be a native species of earth, correct?

Of course we are, you dope. We were put here by a christian god to
plunder the earth's resources and await the return of Jesus. Don't
you follow politics at all?

bb

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"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...

Even School Zones for kids only require that you slow down to 15 and
there
are lot more cars on the road than boats in the water.

Cars have brakes...boats don't. Cars can stop without throwing their
transmissions into reverse and then continuing to travel forward until
reverse power overcomes forward momentum. The more forward momentum, the
longer it takes a boat to stop.

Cars don't have exposed propellers either...so if one should knock down
a child at 15 mph, it's not as likely to take off an arm, leg or head as
a boat going the same speed.

Manatee Zones require that you slow to 6mph+/-.

Which is slow enough, provided that you also keep a proper lookout so
you can see anything in the water, for a reverse throttle to stop the
boat pretty close to immediately...faster and the boat will continue to
move forward.

Are manatees more important than kids?

A manatee isn't the only thing you could hit. Learning a little bit
about the dynamics of what makes your boat move and what it takes to
stop it could also save a kid's life...at the very least, it could
prevent damage to your boat.


I know more about it than you and don't need any help.
--
-v-

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"bb" wrote in message
...
On 18 Aug 2003 15:54:35 GMT, reg (Gfretwell) wrote:


The fact still remains that without the thermal pollution of man these
things
would swim away and most would not come back.

Without the industries that cause thermal pollution there would be
about 6 billion less people also. I think the manatees would agree to
swim in cold water if we would shut down all the thermal pollution
sources.

bb

All that would have to be done is dump the warm water in the ocean or run it
through a cooling tower.

The manatee nuts, excuse me "activists", won't hear of that. They are more
interested in keeping the large volume of dollars rolling in than solving
the problem.
--
-v-

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What's wrong with 6 knots?
When we're out sailing, we're thrilled to move at that speed or slightly
better.

-snip... .
Manatee Zones require that you slow to 6mph+/-.

Are manatees more important than kids?

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

All that would have to be done is dump the warm water in the ocean or run it
through a cooling tower.

The manatee nuts, excuse me "activists", won't hear of that.

It's worse than that. When our electrical plant was refitted to more efficient
boilers they were not producing enough hot water to insure a good winter refuge
for the manatee and the huggers insisted that they bring in auxillary boilers
to heat the water!!
That is a violation of the Endangered Species Act but they do it anyway.
Since they current water is not really that hot it wouldn't be that hard to
cool it in the winter.
When water gets much below 70f these things will swim away. They just forgot
how to migrate because of mans activity. I say fix the "root" offending
activity (heating water) and the rest becomes moot.
To the guy who complained about the loss of jobs, how about the loss of the
boating, dock building and water sport industry?
It is very interesting that the people who worry about the manatee the most
don't live within 100-1000 miles of them and use their boats wherever they
like. Jimmy Buffett didn't start SMC until he moved to Malibu!

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
All that would have to be done is dump the warm water in the ocean or run
it
through a cooling tower.

The manatee nuts, excuse me "activists", won't hear of that.

It's worse than that. When our electrical plant was refitted to more
efficient
boilers they were not producing enough hot water to insure a good winter
refuge
for the manatee and the huggers insisted that they bring in auxillary
boilers
to heat the water!!
That is a violation of the Endangered Species Act but they do it anyway.
Since they current water is not really that hot it wouldn't be that hard
to
cool it in the winter.
When water gets much below 70f these things will swim away. They just
forgot
how to migrate because of mans activity. I say fix the "root" offending
activity (heating water) and the rest becomes moot.
To the guy who complained about the loss of jobs, how about the loss of
the
boating, dock building and water sport industry?
It is very interesting that the people who worry about the manatee the
most
don't live within 100-1000 miles of them and use their boats wherever they
like. Jimmy Buffett didn't start SMC until he moved to Malibu!


All I can say is dittos. You are right on all counts.
--
-v-

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I think we could come up with enough "scientific evidence" to prove that
Manatees were responsible for the big blackout.

Well, the Manatee nuts do it.....

--


Keith
__
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help
section?"
She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
All that would have to be done is dump the warm water in the ocean or run
it
through a cooling tower.

The manatee nuts, excuse me "activists", won't hear of that.

It's worse than that. When our electrical plant was refitted to more
efficient
boilers they were not producing enough hot water to insure a good winter
refuge
for the manatee and the huggers insisted that they bring in auxillary
boilers
to heat the water!!
That is a violation of the Endangered Species Act but they do it anyway.
Since they current water is not really that hot it wouldn't be that hard
to
cool it in the winter.
When water gets much below 70f these things will swim away. They just
forgot
how to migrate because of mans activity. I say fix the "root" offending
activity (heating water) and the rest becomes moot.
To the guy who complained about the loss of jobs, how about the loss of
the
boating, dock building and water sport industry?
It is very interesting that the people who worry about the manatee the
most
don't live within 100-1000 miles of them and use their boats wherever they
like. Jimmy Buffett didn't start SMC until he moved to Malibu!

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:52:44 -0400, "thunder" wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:51:29 +0000, Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote:

The Sea Cow is not even a native, but comes from the east indies.
Why we lettin some forign critter take over?

The manatee regulations may be to stringent, but the above is pure
BS. The manatee has been indigenous to Florida for over 45 million
years. Florida even has it's own subspecies, Trichechus manatus
latirostris.

Yeah, but 45 million years ago it must have come from somewhere.:)

Steve

Then, using the same analogy, humans must not be a native species of
earth, correct?

No - humans are actually evolved Ewoks because Darth Vader,
a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away f'd up the Ewok
moon, so they stole the remaining pieces of the Death Star and
migrated to this galaxy, had sex with Princess Leia and produced
offspring remarkably like Lucy, the theoretical proto-human found
in Ethiopia - which, at the time the Ewoks settled here, was a lush
tropical rain forest with a zillion foot high cedar trees and a really
cool power relay station for the Kzin who had originally settled
Earth, but devolved into lions, tigers and house cats after a disastrous
war with Puppeteers.

Hey, it could have happened...

Later,

Tom

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On 18 Aug 2003 15:54:35 GMT, reg (Gfretwell) wrote:

We don't close the roads because a few dogs chase cars. We train the dogs.

================================================== ========

Right on. We don't close the roads or ban the construction of new
garages (docks) because a few raccoons and deer get hit either. In my
opinion the environmentalists are basically anti-boat, and we mostly
have the jetski hoards and the no-muffler go fasts to thank for that.
And who could blame them? Unfortunately for us, the manatee club and
the EPA see anything that floats and moves through the water as a
boat. The manatees were just a convenient rallying point for fund
raising and political pressure in my opinion.

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It boils down to humans or Manatee.. I vote humans

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"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...

It boils down to humans or Manatee.. I vote humans

If Manatees are "Sea Cows", can you make them into
hamburgers?

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

Nothing better for breakfast than manatee steak and bald eagle fried eggs!

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

In article ,
says...
It boils down to humans or Manatee.. I vote humans

I agree, Whatever happened to survival of the fittest? If I pay 500k for
a waterfront place and another 40k for a boat, I should be able to use
it! If the Manatee is meant to survive it will. If they dont will the no
wake zones be lifted?

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15th Century Manuscripts in St. Augustine contain a recipe for roasted
manatee with black pepper and sugarcane syrup.

C.F.

Rural Knight wrote:

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...


It boils down to humans or Manatee.. I vote humans


If Manatees are "Sea Cows", can you make them into
hamburgers?

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

Not to mention conchead chowder, or is that chowderhead conchs! You
coconut cases should have seceded.

C.F.

Florida Keyz wrote:

Nothing better for breakfast than manatee steak and bald eagle fried eggs!

St. Johns River Becoming 1 Large Manatee Zone
 

We spent a very enjoyable day motoring at 5.5 knots moving the Mirage 33
from a friends floating dock in Chester to our summer club in St. Margaret's
Bay.
There wasn't enough wind to sail until the last half hour. (the trip took
six hours )


Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote in message
nk.net...
Well, the St. Johns at rip tide has a current of 9 knots. (not mph). If
you are fighting the current you CAN'T maintain headway.

C.F.

Don White wrote:
What's wrong with 6 knots?
When we're out sailing, we're thrilled to move at that speed or
slightly
better.

-snip... .

Manatee Zones require that you slow to 6mph+/-.

Are manatees more important than kids?