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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:31:50 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Those of you who have followed the speed saga of my Ranger 200C
Sportfisher, it has now entered a new chapter.

I got this idea to weigh the boat/motor/trailer fully rigged with
T-top, full fuel/oil/batteries and trolling motor on a certified
scale.

It weighed:

Wait for it....

Wait for it....

5,000 lbs.

Which is 500 lbs over the trailer rating which is 4500 lbs.

Which means that the boat is about 1,000 to 1,200 lbs over weight all
by it's lonesome.

Which goes a long way to explaining why I can't get past 50 even with
the new E-TEC.

Now I need to find out why.

And why I didn't think of that five years ago. :)

How much fuel does it hold? A full tank and two good batteries will eat
up that 500 pound overage.

Nope. The boat is rated for 1800 lbs max - that's gross weight, fuel,
top, batteries, peeples, engine, etc.

I'm not at all sure about this and have a message into Ranger, but the
way I figure it, it's about 1,000 lbs - maybe as much as 1200 lbs -
over weight - that's the boat that's over weight.

Which explains a lot actually. I've been through a couple of brake
calipers, the brakes seems to go very quickly. Plus, as you may
remember, the bow never had any lift on it, I changed six different
props on the FICHT - never could get more than 41 mph out of the boat.
My Contender is faster by a lot.

When the E-TEC was installed, with the longer leg it regained some bow
lift, but the speed hasn't really improved at all.

Be interesting as this goes on.

Here's a typical Ranger boat with a total persons, motor, gear rating of
1580 lbs. The hull weighs 1180 which is not included in the 1580 limit.

http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/191.cfm

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:11:33 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:31:50 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Those of you who have followed the speed saga of my Ranger 200C
Sportfisher, it has now entered a new chapter.

I got this idea to weigh the boat/motor/trailer fully rigged with
T-top, full fuel/oil/batteries and trolling motor on a certified
scale.

It weighed:

Wait for it....

Wait for it....

5,000 lbs.

Which is 500 lbs over the trailer rating which is 4500 lbs.

Which means that the boat is about 1,000 to 1,200 lbs over weight
all
by it's lonesome.

Which goes a long way to explaining why I can't get past 50 even
with
the new E-TEC.

Now I need to find out why.

And why I didn't think of that five years ago. :)

How much fuel does it hold? A full tank and two good batteries will
eat
up that 500 pound overage.

Nope. The boat is rated for 1800 lbs max - that's gross weight,
fuel,
top, batteries, peeples, engine, etc.

I'm not at all sure about this and have a message into Ranger, but
the
way I figure it, it's about 1,000 lbs - maybe as much as 1200 lbs -
over weight - that's the boat that's over weight.

Which explains a lot actually. I've been through a couple of brake
calipers, the brakes seems to go very quickly. Plus, as you may
remember, the bow never had any lift on it, I changed six different
props on the FICHT - never could get more than 41 mph out of the
boat.
My Contender is faster by a lot.

When the E-TEC was installed, with the longer leg it regained some
bow
lift, but the speed hasn't really improved at all.

Be interesting as this goes on.

Here's a typical Ranger boat with a total persons, motor, gear rating
of
1580 lbs. The hull weighs 1180 which is not included in the 1580
limit.

http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/191.cfm

I expressed it badly, but if you add everything together, add a fudge
factor, it's still 1,000 to 1,200 overweight anyway you slice it.

I'm waiting for Ranger to get back to me on it.

water logged? did you buy it new? can you get to the foam flotation?

del cecchi

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:40:45 -0500, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:11:33 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:31:50 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Those of you who have followed the speed saga of my Ranger 200C
Sportfisher, it has now entered a new chapter.

I got this idea to weigh the boat/motor/trailer fully rigged with
T-top, full fuel/oil/batteries and trolling motor on a certified
scale.

It weighed:

Wait for it....

Wait for it....

5,000 lbs.

Which is 500 lbs over the trailer rating which is 4500 lbs.

Which means that the boat is about 1,000 to 1,200 lbs over weight
all
by it's lonesome.

Which goes a long way to explaining why I can't get past 50 even
with
the new E-TEC.

Now I need to find out why.

And why I didn't think of that five years ago. :)

How much fuel does it hold? A full tank and two good batteries will
eat
up that 500 pound overage.

Nope. The boat is rated for 1800 lbs max - that's gross weight,
fuel,
top, batteries, peeples, engine, etc.

I'm not at all sure about this and have a message into Ranger, but
the
way I figure it, it's about 1,000 lbs - maybe as much as 1200 lbs -
over weight - that's the boat that's over weight.

Which explains a lot actually. I've been through a couple of brake
calipers, the brakes seems to go very quickly. Plus, as you may
remember, the bow never had any lift on it, I changed six different
props on the FICHT - never could get more than 41 mph out of the
boat.
My Contender is faster by a lot.

When the E-TEC was installed, with the longer leg it regained some
bow
lift, but the speed hasn't really improved at all.

Be interesting as this goes on.

Here's a typical Ranger boat with a total persons, motor, gear rating
of
1580 lbs. The hull weighs 1180 which is not included in the 1580
limit.

http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/191.cfm

I expressed it badly, but if you add everything together, add a fudge
factor, it's still 1,000 to 1,200 overweight anyway you slice it.

I'm waiting for Ranger to get back to me on it.

water logged? did you buy it new?


"New" in the sense that it was a low hours demo boat when I bought it
in 2001. There was an intermediate "owner" in the sense that a local
guide used it for a while as his sponsored boat was being built.


can you get to the foam flotation?


That's just it - no.

But it acted like a water logged boat - in particular with the short
leg FICHT I had on it - no bow lift and top end was less that
spectacular for the past few years. Even with the new E-TEC, the top
end is about the same.

Somebody mentioned weight as an issue to me a few days ago and I got
the idea to use a certified scale to see what the whole rig weighed,
then subtract the relevant pieces to see what the boat actually
weighed.

Comes out to about 1,100 pounds plus/minus 100 lb fudge factor.


Common problem in my make of sailboat. Back when they were manufactured
1974-1992, the flotation foam used wasn't the 'closed cell' type.
Lot of guys cut access holes and pulled the old waterlogged stuff out.
They then stuffed closed cell replacement foam in as best they could.

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Harry Krause wrote:

While it is possible, it is unlikely a manufacturer like Ranger uses
"open cell" foam.

Sooner or later, Tom will discover I've been stashing plastic bags of
used kitty litter under his floorboards.


If you hadn't spilled the beans, he'd never have known.
His stinky cigars would easily mask any kitty cr*p odour.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:40:45 -0500, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:11:33 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:31:50 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Those of you who have followed the speed saga of my Ranger 200C
Sportfisher, it has now entered a new chapter.

I got this idea to weigh the boat/motor/trailer fully rigged with
T-top, full fuel/oil/batteries and trolling motor on a certified
scale.

It weighed:

Wait for it....

Wait for it....

5,000 lbs.

Which is 500 lbs over the trailer rating which is 4500 lbs.

Which means that the boat is about 1,000 to 1,200 lbs over weight
all
by it's lonesome.

Which goes a long way to explaining why I can't get past 50 even
with
the new E-TEC.

Now I need to find out why.

And why I didn't think of that five years ago. :)

How much fuel does it hold? A full tank and two good batteries will
eat
up that 500 pound overage.

Nope. The boat is rated for 1800 lbs max - that's gross weight,
fuel,
top, batteries, peeples, engine, etc.

I'm not at all sure about this and have a message into Ranger, but
the
way I figure it, it's about 1,000 lbs - maybe as much as 1200 lbs -
over weight - that's the boat that's over weight.

Which explains a lot actually. I've been through a couple of brake
calipers, the brakes seems to go very quickly. Plus, as you may
remember, the bow never had any lift on it, I changed six different
props on the FICHT - never could get more than 41 mph out of the
boat.
My Contender is faster by a lot.

When the E-TEC was installed, with the longer leg it regained some
bow
lift, but the speed hasn't really improved at all.

Be interesting as this goes on.

Here's a typical Ranger boat with a total persons, motor, gear rating
of
1580 lbs. The hull weighs 1180 which is not included in the 1580
limit.

http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/191.cfm

I expressed it badly, but if you add everything together, add a fudge
factor, it's still 1,000 to 1,200 overweight anyway you slice it.

I'm waiting for Ranger to get back to me on it.

water logged? did you buy it new?

"New" in the sense that it was a low hours demo boat when I bought it
in 2001. There was an intermediate "owner" in the sense that a local
guide used it for a while as his sponsored boat was being built.

can you get to the foam flotation?

That's just it - no.

But it acted like a water logged boat - in particular with the short
leg FICHT I had on it - no bow lift and top end was less that
spectacular for the past few years. Even with the new E-TEC, the top
end is about the same.

Somebody mentioned weight as an issue to me a few days ago and I got
the idea to use a certified scale to see what the whole rig weighed,
then subtract the relevant pieces to see what the boat actually
weighed.

Comes out to about 1,100 pounds plus/minus 100 lb fudge factor.

Those damn E-tecs weigh alot more than their published weight.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:40:45 -0500, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:11:33 -0400, "ACP"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:31:50 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Those of you who have followed the speed saga of my Ranger 200C
Sportfisher, it has now entered a new chapter.

I got this idea to weigh the boat/motor/trailer fully rigged with
T-top, full fuel/oil/batteries and trolling motor on a certified
scale.

It weighed:

Wait for it....

Wait for it....

5,000 lbs.

Which is 500 lbs over the trailer rating which is 4500 lbs.

Which means that the boat is about 1,000 to 1,200 lbs over weight
all
by it's lonesome.

Which goes a long way to explaining why I can't get past 50 even
with
the new E-TEC.

Now I need to find out why.

And why I didn't think of that five years ago. :)

How much fuel does it hold? A full tank and two good batteries will
eat
up that 500 pound overage.

Nope. The boat is rated for 1800 lbs max - that's gross weight,
fuel,
top, batteries, peeples, engine, etc.

I'm not at all sure about this and have a message into Ranger, but
the
way I figure it, it's about 1,000 lbs - maybe as much as 1200 lbs -
over weight - that's the boat that's over weight.

Which explains a lot actually. I've been through a couple of brake
calipers, the brakes seems to go very quickly. Plus, as you may
remember, the bow never had any lift on it, I changed six different
props on the FICHT - never could get more than 41 mph out of the
boat.
My Contender is faster by a lot.

When the E-TEC was installed, with the longer leg it regained some
bow
lift, but the speed hasn't really improved at all.

Be interesting as this goes on.

Here's a typical Ranger boat with a total persons, motor, gear rating
of
1580 lbs. The hull weighs 1180 which is not included in the 1580
limit.

http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/191.cfm

I expressed it badly, but if you add everything together, add a fudge
factor, it's still 1,000 to 1,200 overweight anyway you slice it.

I'm waiting for Ranger to get back to me on it.

water logged? did you buy it new?

"New" in the sense that it was a low hours demo boat when I bought it
in 2001. There was an intermediate "owner" in the sense that a local
guide used it for a while as his sponsored boat was being built.

can you get to the foam flotation?

That's just it - no.

But it acted like a water logged boat - in particular with the short
leg FICHT I had on it - no bow lift and top end was less that
spectacular for the past few years. Even with the new E-TEC, the top
end is about the same.

Somebody mentioned weight as an issue to me a few days ago and I got
the idea to use a certified scale to see what the whole rig weighed,
then subtract the relevant pieces to see what the boat actually
weighed.

Comes out to about 1,100 pounds plus/minus 100 lb fudge factor.

Buddy had an offshore race boat built a few years ago. Was 600# overweight.
Maybe your boat is just stronger. To stand to the cigar smoke?

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:45:18 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Those damn E-tecs weigh alot more than their published weight.

You with that were true... :)

When you with upon a thtar...