Hello,

We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
considering a pair of outriggers.

Anyone have any experience with these?

Jones

"!Jones" wrote in message
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Hello,

We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
considering a pair of outriggers.

Anyone have any experience with these?

Jones



Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss (making sign of the Cross
with fingers).

--riverman

riverman wrote:
"!Jones" wrote in message
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Hello,

We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
considering a pair of outriggers.

Anyone have any experience with these?

Jones



Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss (making sign of the Cross
with fingers).

Can someone take pity on a poor novice and explain this?

tradervik wrote:
riverman wrote:
"!Jones" wrote in message
...
Hello,

We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
considering a pair of outriggers.

Anyone have any experience with these?

Jones



Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss (making sign of the
Cross with fingers).

Can someone take pity on a poor novice and explain this?

One word: "Sponsons"

Do a search at groups.google.com and you'll quickly know what this is
all about... In short: The moron who tried to sell this product of his
almost ruined this newsgroup.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Wilko wrote:

One word: "Sponsons"

Uhhh, guys... sponsons and amas are two very different animals.

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:
Wilko wrote:

One word: "Sponsons"

Uhhh, guys... sponsons and amas are two very different animals.

Mike

If it is not WW, it has to be from the darkside! What difference would
it make if it is not as dark as dark can be? HYY

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:37:51 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
wrote:

Do a search at groups.google.com and you'll quickly know what this is
all about... In short: The moron who tried to sell this product of his
almost ruined this newsgroup.

OK, well, it ain't my product and I'm not him.

The way I see it:

Positive: I'd assume that they could add stability for traveling under
sail and when carrying a load... I'm guessing because I've not used
them.

Negative: if & when the ocean does manage to roll you, it's harder to
sort out. Plus they drag. They say that they ride up; however, this
would be a wind drag.

For what we actually *do*, I might make the trade. I'm like everyone
else in that, left unchecked, I tend to be a gear-head. I assume from
the intense negative reaction that people don't like them; however, I
see no intellegent replies that would help a person decide one way or
the other.

Jones

!Jones wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:37:51 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
wrote:

Do a search at groups.google.com and you'll quickly know what this is
all about... In short: The moron who tried to sell this product of his
almost ruined this newsgroup.

OK, well, it ain't my product and I'm not him.

The way I see it:

Positive: I'd assume that they could add stability for traveling under
sail and when carrying a load... I'm guessing because I've not used
them.

Negative: if & when the ocean does manage to roll you, it's harder to
sort out. Plus they drag. They say that they ride up; however, this
would be a wind drag.

For what we actually *do*, I might make the trade. I'm like everyone
else in that, left unchecked, I tend to be a gear-head. I assume from
the intense negative reaction that people don't like them; however, I
see no intellegent replies that would help a person decide one way or
the other.

Please don't be stopped by our ****ed off response at this particular
dumbo's product spam. This moron tried to make them mandatory for
*every* kayak or canoe, and anyone with half a brain knows that the last
thing you want is a boat that is stable when upside down. For those of
us paddling in slightly more dynamic conditions (heavy sea, surf, rodeo
or whitewater for example), being stable upside down could have serious
repercussions.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:26:52 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
wrote:

Negative: if & when the ocean does manage to roll you, it's harder to
sort out.

[...]

For those of
us paddling in slightly more dynamic conditions (heavy sea, surf, rodeo
or whitewater for example), being stable upside down could have serious
repercussions.

Yes, well, I believe I acknowledged that as an issue. Designing
*anything* is full of trade-offs... this is life. My issue is that,
left without a sanity check, I'll put so many gadgets and gizmos on it
that it'll need the extra flotation just to stay on the surface.

I guess I'd like to hear from someone who has actually used a set. If
I have a load of camping gear heading out to a barrier island and some
f**kwad hits me with a wake, will these help? Given that it does
flip, will I be able to right it by myself?

My partner is handicapped and is uncoordinated to the point where she
cannot drive a car; therefore, we tend to stay in protected water.
I'm aware that ama devices aren't for everyone.

Jones... who is going to mount a harpoon gun on the front... Sharks,
you know. (Do depth charges work better?)

!Jones wrote:

Yes, well, I believe I acknowledged that as an issue. Designing
*anything* is full of trade-offs... this is life. My issue is that,
left without a sanity check, I'll put so many gadgets and gizmos on it
that it'll need the extra flotation just to stay on the surface.
snip
Jones... who is going to mount a harpoon gun on the front... Sharks,
you know. (Do depth charges work better?)

LOL!!!

I'd go for a big laser, so you can also get rid of those pesky aliens
trying to abduct your boat! ;-)

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/