FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:16:05 GMT, Alotta Fagina penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

You wrote:

On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:05:25 GMT, Alotta Fagina penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

You wrote:

http://nacocharters.org/documents/Ch...eetInPeril.pdf

"I lived in the path of Cat 5 'canes and it's the government's
responsibility to pay me millions. Wah wah wah."

****ing pussies.
So your point is that FEMA should change it's mission statement?
Did you attend first grade? Apparently not, since you don't know the
difference between "its" and "it's".


So shoot me, I made a typo.

Or do
you think they should not honor their obligation.. because.... uh,
because....?
Again, do you think they should not honor their obligations? Should
they ignore Federal laws?

Federal, state and local laws are ignored all of the time. Have you ever
heard of selective enforcement, selective prosecution and jury
nullification?

Because Chicago recovered from its fire without government money.
Specious argument: FEMA didn't exist.
Because San Francisco recovered from its fire without government money.
Specious argument: FEMA didn't exist.

Besides, you are making the case that devastation in one part of our
country doesn't affect the general welfare of the entire country.
Wrong.

No, the argument he is making is that when you live or place a business
in a disaster zone (flood, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, ...) you made
a conscious decision to do so and any harm done to you should be borne
by you.

That clause is "promote the general welfare" not provide for the general
welfare.

Because the constitution doesn't have language permitting FEMA to even exist.
So, why did George Bush elevate the agency to a part of the Department
of Homeland Security in 2003?

On the other hand, this sort of legislation was first passed in 1803,
200 years prior to that! The city of Portsmouth, NH had suffered a
number of devastating fires and the Seventh Congress provided for the
merchants of Portsmouth, by waiving duties and tariffs on goods.

Waiving duties and tariffs is one thing. Rebuilding your business
because you failed to secure insurance is not why the government.

Not a new thing, huh?

Bad example.

Because, as you point out yourself, FEMA - like all government agencies -
**** up everything they're charged with doing.
I think that is true of *anything* that is mismanaged.

True, but governments (federal, state and local) are on the fast track
towards screwing everything up.

Are you making a case for the benefits of Anarchy?

Not anarchy but, personal responsibility.

FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

"Alotta Fagina" wrote in message
...
You wrote:

That clause is "promote the general welfare" not provide for the general
welfare.

It's "promote the general Welfare" in the preamble; in Article I it's "to
pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of
the
United States".

SNIP

Good stuff. Where did you cut & paste it from?

FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

"Alotta Fagina" wrote in message
...
You wrote:

"Alotta Fagina" wrote in message
...
You wrote:

That clause is "promote the general welfare" not provide for the
general welfare.

It's "promote the general Welfare" in the preamble; in Article I it's
"to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the
United States".

SNIP

Good stuff. Where did you cut & paste it from?

Unlike you I'm able to think.

I'd also know to try googling one or two of the phrases I wrote to see if
it'd been posted previously. Actually, *I* wouldn't, because I wrote it
just now.

You're barely worth the time.

FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

"Alotta Fagina" wrote in message
...

If, after a natural disaster, the oil companies were unable to resume
production in the Gulf and the fuel was needed for military purposes,
would the government be obliged to offer financial assistance or, more
constitutionally, nationalize the oil companies?

Strawman hypotheticals - another act of surrender.

Go find some transcripts of Supreme Court sessions, in which hypotheticals
are used constantly to better understand the law. Gene's was similar, and of
high quality. Your trashing it is an act of surrender.

FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:37:22 -0400, Bert Robbins penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


Again, do you think they should not honor their obligations? Should
they ignore Federal laws?
Federal, state and local laws are ignored all of the time. Have you ever
heard of selective enforcement, selective prosecution and jury
nullification?


Oh, ok... that makes it ok.

Go complain to your local prosecutor, your State's Attorney and your US
Prosecutor.

Because Chicago recovered from its fire without government money.
Specious argument: FEMA didn't exist.
Because San Francisco recovered from its fire without government money.
Specious argument: FEMA didn't exist.

Besides, you are making the case that devastation in one part of our
country doesn't affect the general welfare of the entire country.
Wrong.
No, the argument he is making is that when you live or place a business
in a disaster zone (flood, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, ...) you made
a conscious decision to do so and any harm done to you should be borne
by you.


So where do you suggest I move my Gulf charter business? I guess
Denver would be nice. Damn oil companies should move the rigs to
higher ground, too..... sheesh.

Does the money you make from your Gulf charter business out weigh the
risks? Will you be carrying insurance of any kind?

Waiving duties and tariffs is one thing. Rebuilding your business
because you failed to secure insurance is not why the government.


Strange sentence, but I suppose the rational response is that if you
don't like it, repeal FEMA.... don't selectively enforce the laws you
like... that's just crazy.

Selective enforcement of the laws is done all of the time. As I said
above call your various prosecutors.

Call your representative or senator and get the process started.

Not a new thing, huh?
Bad example.


Good precedent.

Do you walk out into moving traffic? If yes why? IF no why not?

FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:13:18 GMT, Alotta Fagina penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

You wrote:

So where do you suggest I move my Gulf charter business?
So where do you suggest I move my "Tour the inside of an active volcano"
business?

Silly me, I didn't realize the Gulf was an active volcano!

Nice attempt at deflections.

A volcano tour business is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate example.

Anyway, stay right there, you'll be fine.... you won't *need* FEMA....


You too.

FEMA ignores plight of Gulf Charterboat Fleet....
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:22:22 GMT, Alotta Fagina penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

You wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:13:18 GMT, Alotta Fagina penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

You wrote:

So where do you suggest I move my Gulf charter business?
So where do you suggest I move my "Tour the inside of an active volcano"
business?
Silly me, I didn't realize the Gulf was an active volcano!

Anyway, stay right there, you'll be fine.... you won't *need* FEMA....
As opposed to your coward as, who, as your sig points out, runs a "Gulf
charter business" out of North Carolina. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Based on you wise words we are looking to move the boat to Colorado
where risk will be minimal. Gee you're smart!


Now you understand.