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On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:33:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:16:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:




I spent the night on the boat and just came home. When I got here, Mrs.E.
was in the backyard playing with her camera, trying out a new lens that
she
bought yesterday. It's a 18-200mm Nikon or Nikkor, but I am not sure if
it's the VR lens under discussion. She said the camera shop called it a
"beach lens" - kind of a universal use, lightweight zoom lens. She took
off
to go horse-back riding before it dawned on me and she took the camera
with
her, so I can't verify what it is.
Does Nikon or Nikkor make a non-VR 18-200mm lens?

Eisboch


Are you sure it was 18-200 and not 28-200?

This one perhaps?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28200af.htm

Nope. She briefly told me about it before she left and said it also had a
macro setting that the 28-200 apparently does not. Also, I got the
impression that the 28-200mm is for film cameras.

I am pretty sure she said 18-200mm. (using it on Harry's D70 that she
bought).
Now I am really curious.

Eisboch


Well, if it's a Nikon lens, then it's probably on Rockwell's site
somewhere.

I'm surprised Harry bought a new Nikon. When I mentioned buying my D200, he
seemed pretty certain there was no significant difference between the two
cameras. My daughter, to whom I gave my D70, is absolutely thrilled with
it.
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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I'm surprised Harry bought a new Nikon. When I mentioned buying my D200,
he
seemed pretty certain there was no significant difference between the two
cameras. My daughter, to whom I gave my D70, is absolutely thrilled with
it.


I don't recall Harry saying that he bought a new anything. Maybe he did, I
just don't remember.

Eisboch

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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I'm surprised Harry bought a new Nikon. When I mentioned buying my D200,
he
seemed pretty certain there was no significant difference between the
two
cameras. My daughter, to whom I gave my D70, is absolutely thrilled with
it.


I don't recall Harry saying that he bought a new anything. Maybe he did,
I just don't remember.

Eisboch


I didn't say.

I didn't think so. Funny how people assume.

Eisboch

All you fishing dudes and dudettes...
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

What is the direct cause and effect. Is it the fight, is it the
stress of handling, is it.......

You and I both know how to handle fish the right way. There's another factor
we probably can't exercise a lot of control over. This is from "The Founding
Fish", by John McPhee. The book's about shad. He's a fisherman, and sounds a
lot like you. There's a chapter about catch & release, and he gives fair
treatment to all sides of the discussion.


Anglers who release fish are not releasing the same fish they hooked.
"Prolonged playing of fish, particularly when they are returned to the water
subsequently, is to be depricated," Gathorne Midway wrote in 1977, reporting
to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals on the
findings of a Panel of Enquiry into Shooting and Angling. "When teleost fish
are severely stressed and exercised to exhaustion, they make extensive use
of their 'white' muscle system," he said. "This differs from the red
skeletal muscle of higher vertebrates, in that it is anaerobic and, although
very efficient in the short term, when exhausted contains a great
accumulation of lactic acid during the elimination of which the muscle
system remains in prolonged fatigue. A completely exhausted fish will thus
be almost unable to move for several hours after capture. During this time
it will be at risk to attack by predators or injury from its inanimate
environment." Medway holds a doctorate in zoology.

All you fishing dudes and dudettes...
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Oops - in the middle of the quote from the book - wrong year. Should be
1997.

Smithers
 

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:57:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

They don't have "Vibration Reduction," but if you learn
how to hold a camera and lens and don't shoot at really slow shutter
speeds, it's not necessary. Also, a tripod or even a monopod obviates
the need for vibration reduction.

What about for boating? It seems to me that on a moving boat,
anything you can do to minimize vibration/motion is a good thing.

Smithers
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:57:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

They don't have "Vibration Reduction," but if you learn
how to hold a camera and lens and don't shoot at really slow shutter
speeds, it's not necessary. Also, a tripod or even a monopod obviates
the need for vibration reduction.

What about for boating? It seems to me that on a moving boat,
anything you can do to minimize vibration/motion is a good thing.



BTW, turns out that the lens Mrs.E. bought *is* a 28-200mm Nikon ED. I
was trying to figure out how the heck she managed to find the other VR
(18-200mm) one, if she had.

Eisboch

Smithers
 

They don't have "Vibration Reduction," but if you learn how to hold a
camera and lens and don't shoot at really slow shutter speeds, it's
not necessary.

Great advice. Now tell us how to hold a camera on a boat.

... Also, a tripod or even a monopod obviates the need for
vibration reduction.


Not so useful on a boat, really. A monopod is occasionally
helpful.

Wayne.B wrote:
What about for boating? It seems to me that on a moving boat,
anything you can do to minimize vibration/motion is a good thing.


Yes it is. We bought a digital camera with a built-in 12X
optical zoon, with VR that noticably improves the pictures.
On the water, it is rare to get a shot that doesn't require
at least that much zoom, which of course magnifies any
jiggle or shakiness.

Harry Krause wrote:
I have no idea how well VR might work to quell major motion.

I do.

One of the problems of shooting pics from a boat is that the
boat is moving, especially if it is under power. The engine
vibration seems to annoy the camera if you try to get a
steadier shot by resting the camera on a solid part of the
boat. One way I get around this is to use my forearm as a
rest, or set the camera on the back of one fist with elbow
braced on deck or railing.

All we do is take tourist type snapshots, but we like the
results. We often take hundreds of shots over the course of
a couple days cruise... most recently we didn't take any at
all, I have to admit, which is a shame because it was
lovely. Lots of opportunities to take wildlife shots, one of
my goals is get a set of stills of a great blue heron taking
off.

Fair Skies
Doug King

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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:00:44 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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I'm surprised Harry bought a new Nikon. When I mentioned buying my D200,
he
seemed pretty certain there was no significant difference between the two
cameras. My daughter, to whom I gave my D70, is absolutely thrilled with
it.


I don't recall Harry saying that he bought a new anything. Maybe he did, I
just don't remember.

Eisboch




I didn't say.

Well, tell us then! Let's see, you sold your D70 and you are going to try
out the 18-200mm VR lens. If you didn't get a new camera, you should. Then
you could give that VR lens a real workout and see the value of VR.
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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

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Harry Krause wrote:

Friend of mine recently ordered two 18-200 Nikkors and is expecting UPS
delivery today or tomorrow. I believe he paid around $700 each. For fun,
I checked the supplier he used but at the moment it is out of inventory.

I'm going to have to borrow one of these lenses.

Harry,
Do some A/B comparisons with some of your other lens and see how they
compare. It looks to me that is it one hell of a tourist lens, but
really isn't meant to compete against a prime lens or a some of the pro
zoom lens with much smaller range.

My Ultra wide 12-24 is expected on Thursday.