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novice wrote:
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What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny
ww boats.

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novice wrote:
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What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny
ww boats.

In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the
first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10'
long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not
rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed

John Fereira wrote:
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novice wrote:
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http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg

What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny
ww boats.

In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the
first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10'
long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not
rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed

Huh?

you heard him, jackass. fix your attitude, elitest.
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John Fereira wrote:
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novice wrote:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg

What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny
ww boats.

In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the
first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10'
long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not
rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed

Huh?

novice wrote:
you heard him, jackass. fix your attitude, elitest.

You said; "My kayak fits in my small sports car (pictures)"

I said; "What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of
those tiny ww boats."

I meant that before getting the photo open I expected you would have a
tiny ww boat. I did not say that your boat was tiny. Is that so complex?

John Fereira wrote:
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novice wrote:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg
What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those tiny
ww boats.

In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at the
first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's likely 10'
long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not
rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed

John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment?
'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an
eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture. And his reaction was very
reasonable, I thought. You can't always go by the number on the side of
boats. Ever seen a QCC 700?

Of course, a 10' Pursuit doesn't actually quite fit in a 240SX. My WW
boat, at 8' (Dagger Redline, imagine) might, though. And yes, the
current crop of those critters is in the sub 6' range.

Steve

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Athens, GA

Steve Cramer wrote in
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John Fereira wrote:
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novice wrote:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3366/00009069xl.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/865/00009032yh.jpg
What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those
tiny ww boats.

In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at
the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's
likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not
rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed

John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment?

It was in response to this statement.

I figured you would have one of those tiny ww
boats.

Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me
that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites
elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been
written without the "tiny" qualifier.

If he would have written:

"I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case,
novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his
reaction.

Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather
than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt.


'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an
eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture.

Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww
boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats.

And his reaction was very
reasonable, I thought. You can't always go by the number on the side of
boats. Ever seen a QCC 700?

Yes, but I'm not sure how long it is. I know of quite a few touring boats
with 16, 17, or 18 in the model name but are often a few inches shorter. I
don't know of any that are two feet shorter.

Of course, a 10' Pursuit doesn't actually quite fit in a 240SX. My WW
boat, at 8' (Dagger Redline, imagine) might, though. And yes, the
current crop of those critters is in the sub 6' range.

John Fereira wrote:
[...]
Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww
boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats.
[...]

I didn't see the "10" on the boat. Somehow I thought that was glare.
Anyway I thought ww boats went down to 5 feet something, and I doubt
they are inexpensive, so I am rather surprised by the perceived slight.
Do longer boats attract women or something?

Dave

OK, I think this is getting perilously close to one of those
Angels-dance-pinhead* things, but what the hell, dinner isn't ready yet...

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John Fereira wrote:
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novice wrote:
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What is that, 8 feet or so? I figured you would have one of those
tiny ww boats.
In the context of whitewater boats, 8' is very long. If you look at
the first photo it the label on the hull reads "Pursuit 10" so it's
likely 10' long. In any case, this is rec.boats.paddle, not
rec.boats.paddle.only.boats.longer.than.16feet.all owed
John, did you have any particular motivation for that last comment?

It was in response to this statement.

I figured you would have one of those tiny ww
boats.

Putting the emphasis on "you" rather than "figured" makes it sound to me
that he was disparaging novice (whose choice of handle almost invites
elitism) for his choice of kayak, and "tiny ww boats" could have been
written without the "tiny" qualifier.

And who placed that emphasis? And when has anyone in r.b.p been
disparaged for paddling a WW boat of any size? Sorry, you couldn't
insult by saying I paddle a WW boat no matter how long it was.

If he would have written:

"I figured that it was a www boat", I wouldn't have responed. In any case,
novice seemed have read the same thing I did in the response given his
reaction.

www boat? I guess that's an occupational hazard for a network honcho
like you


Alas, it appears that it was basically a case of unclear phrasing rather
than an intential disparaging. I apologize to galt.


'Cause...galt didn't say anything about 8' WW boats, he was giving an
eyeball estimate of a boat in a picture.

Actually, he did. The "8 feet or so" question combined with "tiny ww
boats" implies that 8' is short in the context of ww boats.

It does nothing of the kind. It can as easily be interpreted to mean
"I'm surprised you have a boat as long as 8'. Given your sunject line, I
was expecting something much shorter, like one of those tiny WW boats."


And his reaction was very
reasonable, I thought. You can't always go by the number on the side of
boats. Ever seen a QCC 700?

Yes, but I'm not sure how long it is. I know of quite a few touring boats
with 16, 17, or 18 in the model name but are often a few inches shorter. I
don't know of any that are two feet shorter.

What!? You, maintainer of a database of every kayak know to Man
(Person?), demo paddler of hundreds of boats, and you don't know the
specs of all those boats by heart? I'm shocked. Shocked!

Anyhow, my point was that a QCC 700 is not 700 anything long, the 700 is
a model number.

Steve

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Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

*--No, I didn't call anybody a pinhead.