Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

I stumbled accross an old Evinrude Junior outboard motor today in a
local chandlers: asking price £60. They assure me it's in good working
order. It looks like it's well over 10 years old. I have the option of
taking it back if I'm not happy. Research tells me it's probably 2hp.
Does this sound like a good deal? I want it to power a 14ft open
canoe. Have never owned an outboard motor before. Can anyone give me
any tips on faults to look out for, or where I can obtain an owner's
manual or any such helpful info? The guy in the shop says "you just
put fuel in (50:1) and off you go; there's nothing much else to worry
about." He says I can lay it flat in the boot of my car when it's not
in use. Is that correct?

Thanks for any info...

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Al D wrote:
I stumbled accross an old Evinrude Junior outboard motor today in a
local chandlers: asking price £60. They assure me it's in good working
order. It looks like it's well over 10 years old. I have the option of
taking it back if I'm not happy. Research tells me it's probably 2hp.
Does this sound like a good deal? I want it to power a 14ft open
canoe. Have never owned an outboard motor before. Can anyone give me
any tips on faults to look out for, or where I can obtain an owner's
manual or any such helpful info? The guy in the shop says "you just
put fuel in (50:1) and off you go; there's nothing much else to worry
about." He says I can lay it flat in the boot of my car when it's not
in use. Is that correct?

Thanks for any info...

Al D

Other than the fact this is rec.boats.PADDLE, I do have a little
experience with putting a small motor on my 17.5 ft. Folbot. I used a
2.5 Mercury on a side gunnel mount. The motor would drive the boat at
about 10 kts. Thrust being offset, caused the boat to steer better one
way than the other, and neither felt very responsive. I found it best
to continue to use the standard rudder, and keep the motor set straight
for thrust only. If your canoe is square back and the motor can be
mounted on the back, then these may not be issues.

The main problem occurred when the boat rolled, and the motor ended up
holding the boat in a sidways position! The boat would not sink,
because of float bags, but being full of water, I could not roll it
upright either with the additional weight of the motor. Luckily a power
boater came along and towed me to shore where I was able to get it
upright and pumped out. After that incident, I retired the motor.

I figured that the only time I would use the motor, was if there was a
strong current that I was trying to go against, and that would be the
time It would flip on me. The best it would do is overcome a 10 knt
current, which I could just as easily paddle against without the hassle
of the motor.

So I am back to paddling, and sailing which is another story! HYY

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Hanta-Yo-Yo wrote:
snip

: So I am back to paddling, and sailing which is another story! HYY

Have you tried sailing in a canoe? Just wondering if anyone ever used
one of those spring creek sailing kits...

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Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

I have a friend who competes all over sailing a canoe, I honestly do not
know anything about the rig, but apparently there are some good ones to be
had.


"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" wrote in message
...
Hanta-Yo-Yo wrote:
snip

: So I am back to paddling, and sailing which is another story! HYY

Have you tried sailing in a canoe? Just wondering if anyone ever used
one of those spring creek sailing kits...

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Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On 20 Jun 2006 07:05:43 -0700, "Hanta-Yo-Yo"
wrote:

Other than the fact this is rec.boats.PADDLE,

Yes... I mostly paddle. The outboard is really a safety measure to get
me out of trouble.

I do have a little
experience with putting a small motor on my 17.5 ft. Folbot. I used a
2.5 Mercury on a side gunnel mount. The motor would drive the boat at
about 10 kts. Thrust being offset, caused the boat to steer better one
way than the other, and neither felt very responsive. I found it best
to continue to use the standard rudder, and keep the motor set straight
for thrust only. If your canoe is square back and the motor can be
mounted on the back, then these may not be issues.

No, I'm in the process of making a bracket to mount the motor off the
starboard side of stern.

The main problem occurred when the boat rolled, and the motor ended up
holding the boat in a sidways position! The boat would not sink,
because of float bags, but being full of water, I could not roll it
upright either with the additional weight of the motor. Luckily a power
boater came along and towed me to shore where I was able to get it
upright and pumped out. After that incident, I retired the motor.

I've read of other people having the same problem. One canoeist said
he fixed the motor to steer straingt ahead and used a paddle for
steering.

I am guessing that the rolling problem you experienced would be less
likely to happen if the prop is higher up rather than well below the
bottom of the canoe. Would anyone agree?

I figured that the only time I would use the motor, was if there was a
strong current that I was trying to go against, and that would be the
time It would flip on me. The best it would do is overcome a 10 knt
current, which I could just as easily paddle against without the hassle
of the motor.

Hmm.. you must have more stamina than me!

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On 20 Jun 2006 18:17:51 -0700, "Tinkerntom"
wrote:

Yes... I mostly paddle. The outboard is really a safety measure to get
me out of trouble.

That's the problem, if you get in trouble paddling, you won't be in a
position to deploy a motor to get you out of that same trouble.

I wasn't referring to that kind of 'trouble', actually.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Al D wrote:
On 20 Jun 2006 18:17:51 -0700, "Tinkerntom"
wrote:

Yes... I mostly paddle. The outboard is really a safety measure to get
me out of trouble.

That's the problem, if you get in trouble paddling, you won't be in a
position to deploy a motor to get you out of that same trouble.

I wasn't referring to that kind of 'trouble', actually.

Al D

Well, now you have me curious, what kind of trouble are you actually
referring too? TnT

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Weigh the outboard. Strap the same weight to the end of your
boat. Capsize the boat. Does the weighted end point straight down
to the bottom? If so, you will have created a serious problem by
ADDING an outboard. Tom McCloud


On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:35:52 +0100, Al D wrote:


I stumbled accross an old Evinrude Junior outboard motor today in a
local chandlers: asking price £60. They assure me it's in good working
order. It looks like it's well over 10 years old. I have the option of
taking it back if I'm not happy. Research tells me it's probably 2hp.
Does this sound like a good deal? I want it to power a 14ft open
canoe. Have never owned an outboard motor before. Can anyone give me
any tips on faults to look out for, or where I can obtain an owner's
manual or any such helpful info? The guy in the shop says "you just
put fuel in (50:1) and off you go; there's nothing much else to worry
about." He says I can lay it flat in the boot of my car when it's not
in use. Is that correct?

Thanks for any info...

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:06:27 GMT, Tom McCloud
wrote:

Weigh the outboard. Strap the same weight to the end of your
boat. Capsize the boat. Does the weighted end point straight down
to the bottom? If so, you will have created a serious problem by
ADDING an outboard. Tom McCloud

Hi Tom, Thanks for the comment. It's a very good point. I'm installing
an extra bouyancy bag at the stern to counteract the weight of the
motor. Luckily the motor is surprisingly lightweight.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

People have been running outboards on canoes for years; Grumman used to sell
a side-mount kit for their double-ender canoes (as opposed to their
square-stern canoes that would accept a motor without an extra bracket)

I side-mounted an Evenrude 6hp on a 17' Chestnut Prospector using a
home-made birch mount, with decent results, but had two specific problems to
solve. The first was that the motor would cavitate long before getting up
to speed. I rigged some birch bark on the motor's cavitation plate and
along the side of the canoe to eliminate this. The second was the added
weight of both the motor and me crammed near the stern of the canoe. I was
forced to carry extra weight in the bow to counteract this, which of course
lessened the efficiency of a light load, but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6 kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts). The only other problem was the
cramped position the operator required to run the motor. The Chestnut is a
high-sided canoe made for carrying a load so, even with a substantial load,
another adult and camping gear for a few weeks, I had little concern of
flipping. The torque from the motor did make initial runs feel somewhat
unstable but was soon just part of the ride.

Brad Snow
s/v Aldonza

"Al D" wrote in message
...

I stumbled accross an old Evinrude Junior outboard motor today in a
local chandlers: asking price £60. They assure me it's in good working
order. It looks like it's well over 10 years old. I have the option of
taking it back if I'm not happy. Research tells me it's probably 2hp.
Does this sound like a good deal? I want it to power a 14ft open
canoe. Have never owned an outboard motor before. Can anyone give me
any tips on faults to look out for, or where I can obtain an owner's
manual or any such helpful info? The guy in the shop says "you just
put fuel in (50:1) and off you go; there's nothing much else to worry
about." He says I can lay it flat in the boot of my car when it's not
in use. Is that correct?

Thanks for any info...

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:56:05 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

People have been running outboards on canoes for years; Grumman used to sell
a side-mount kit for their double-ender canoes (as opposed to their
square-stern canoes that would accept a motor without an extra bracket)

I side-mounted an Evenrude 6hp on a 17' Chestnut Prospector using a
home-made birch mount, with decent results, but had two specific problems to
solve. The first was that the motor would cavitate long before getting up
to speed. I rigged some birch bark on the motor's cavitation plate and
along the side of the canoe to eliminate this. The second was the added
weight of both the motor and me crammed near the stern of the canoe. I was
forced to carry extra weight in the bow to counteract this, which of course
lessened the efficiency of a light load, but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6 kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts). The only other problem was the
cramped position the operator required to run the motor. The Chestnut is a
high-sided canoe made for carrying a load so, even with a substantial load,
another adult and camping gear for a few weeks, I had little concern of
flipping. The torque from the motor did make initial runs feel somewhat
unstable but was soon just part of the ride.


Hi Brad, Thanks for the input. Yes, I always have a load of camping
gear with me too, so the bow is usually well-weighted down. The motor
I am currently playing with is very light too.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

I started out with a 4-horse, which was more than adequate for that canoe,
and a tidy bit lighter, but Evenrude had problems that year (1976) with
their 4-horse block getting enough cooling, so I upgraded to the 6. This
worked quite well as I later upgraded (downgraded; wood-canvas to aluminum)
to a Grumman 19' square-stern and the 6 pushed that along beautifully,
hauling over #1200 of chum salmon at a time.
Brad



"Al D" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:56:05 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

People have been running outboards on canoes for years; Grumman used to
sell
a side-mount kit for their double-ender canoes (as opposed to their
square-stern canoes that would accept a motor without an extra bracket)

I side-mounted an Evenrude 6hp on a 17' Chestnut Prospector using a
home-made birch mount, with decent results, but had two specific problems
to
solve. The first was that the motor would cavitate long before getting up
to speed. I rigged some birch bark on the motor's cavitation plate and
along the side of the canoe to eliminate this. The second was the added
weight of both the motor and me crammed near the stern of the canoe. I
was
forced to carry extra weight in the bow to counteract this, which of
course
lessened the efficiency of a light load, but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6
kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts). The only other problem was the
cramped position the operator required to run the motor. The Chestnut is
a
high-sided canoe made for carrying a load so, even with a substantial
load,
another adult and camping gear for a few weeks, I had little concern of
flipping. The torque from the motor did make initial runs feel somewhat
unstable but was soon just part of the ride.


Hi Brad, Thanks for the input. Yes, I always have a load of camping
gear with me too, so the bow is usually well-weighted down. The motor
I am currently playing with is very light too.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

padeen wrote:

snip
... but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6 kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts).

Brad, if my memory serves me (and this is not something I ever want to
count on, these days) your cabin was about 40 miles downriver from
Eagle.

I know you back-country types are self-sufficient jacks-of-all-trades,
but I wonder what your back-up plan was for the event of catastrophic
and irreparable failure of that motor?

Just ponderin' this matter, I thought, well, wouldn't it be better if
you lived UPRIVER of your connection to the outside world, so that in
such a case you could float with the current to the place where you
would have to have a replacement engine (or parts) delivered?

Or was your mind-set such that you preferred to have the option to have
the current help you get HOME to your cabin, and you'd deal later with
the problem of getting to town?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--

================================================== ====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Hey Richard, your memory is still functioning; the cabin is five miles up
the Nation River, whose mouth is forty six miles down the Yukon from Eagle.

The 4-horse did seize 1/3 the way back to Eagle on its first run (which is
how I found out about Evenrude's problem), so we pulled out the spa 100'
of 9mm climbing rope. With one end of the rope tied to each end of the
canoe and a bight 1/4 back from the bow in hand, the canoe would "track"
nicely out in the current as I walked along the bank. Hell, after the
disappointment of the motor sh***ing the bed, it turned out to be a
beautiful three-day walk back to Eagle. Lilly, my wife at the time, enjoyed
the tracking, so that left me to look for small game, take pictures, and
daydream.

In a pressing emergency there was always the option (in the summer) of
heading downriver from the Nation the one hundred or so miles to Circle,
which was connected to Fairbanks by a 152 mile dirt road. The float would
take about 20-30 hours depending on the wind.

If you want to see some pictures, go to:
http://uaf-db.uaf.edu/Jukebox/PJWeb/proguseyuch.htm agree to the simple
terms, click on "Interviews" on the left, and "Brad Snow" fifth from the
bottom on the right, then "Click here to go to slide #1" and page through
the slides until you see what you want. There's also commentary about the
slides if you click on the audio icon. This site is the product of the Oral
History Department at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks Campus, and was
funded in part by the US Park Service, who, despite the US Congress' intent
to preserve the subsistance lifestyle along the Yukon, has managed to force
everyone off the land.

Brad







"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com...
padeen wrote:

snip
... but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6
kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts).

Brad, if my memory serves me (and this is not something I ever want to
count on, these days) your cabin was about 40 miles downriver from
Eagle.

I know you back-country types are self-sufficient jacks-of-all-trades,
but I wonder what your back-up plan was for the event of catastrophic
and irreparable failure of that motor?

Just ponderin' this matter, I thought, well, wouldn't it be better if
you lived UPRIVER of your connection to the outside world, so that in
such a case you could float with the current to the place where you
would have to have a replacement engine (or parts) delivered?

Or was your mind-set such that you preferred to have the option to have
the current help you get HOME to your cabin, and you'd deal later with
the problem of getting to town?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--

================================================== ====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

When were you up there? That sounds like a pretty nice life, were you
studying, or just living up there? Saw a recent PBS special on the
Murry's, and they were up there in the 50s and 60s, and had quite a
storry to tell! HYY


padeen wrote:
Hey Richard, your memory is still functioning; the cabin is five miles up
the Nation River, whose mouth is forty six miles down the Yukon from Eagle.

The 4-horse did seize 1/3 the way back to Eagle on its first run (which is
how I found out about Evenrude's problem), so we pulled out the spa 100'
of 9mm climbing rope. With one end of the rope tied to each end of the
canoe and a bight 1/4 back from the bow in hand, the canoe would "track"
nicely out in the current as I walked along the bank. Hell, after the
disappointment of the motor sh***ing the bed, it turned out to be a
beautiful three-day walk back to Eagle. Lilly, my wife at the time, enjoyed
the tracking, so that left me to look for small game, take pictures, and
daydream.

In a pressing emergency there was always the option (in the summer) of
heading downriver from the Nation the one hundred or so miles to Circle,
which was connected to Fairbanks by a 152 mile dirt road. The float would
take about 20-30 hours depending on the wind.

If you want to see some pictures, go to:
http://uaf-db.uaf.edu/Jukebox/PJWeb/proguseyuch.htm agree to the simple
terms, click on "Interviews" on the left, and "Brad Snow" fifth from the
bottom on the right, then "Click here to go to slide #1" and page through
the slides until you see what you want. There's also commentary about the
slides if you click on the audio icon. This site is the product of the Oral
History Department at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks Campus, and was
funded in part by the US Park Service, who, despite the US Congress' intent
to preserve the subsistance lifestyle along the Yukon, has managed to force
everyone off the land.

Brad







"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com...
padeen wrote:

snip
... but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6
kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts).

Brad, if my memory serves me (and this is not something I ever want to
count on, these days) your cabin was about 40 miles downriver from
Eagle.

I know you back-country types are self-sufficient jacks-of-all-trades,
but I wonder what your back-up plan was for the event of catastrophic
and irreparable failure of that motor?

Just ponderin' this matter, I thought, well, wouldn't it be better if
you lived UPRIVER of your connection to the outside world, so that in
such a case you could float with the current to the place where you
would have to have a replacement engine (or parts) delivered?

Or was your mind-set such that you preferred to have the option to have
the current help you get HOME to your cabin, and you'd deal later with
the problem of getting to town?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--

================================================== ====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

'74 to '83, but still own property in Eagle. Don't know the Murrays

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:49:07 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

I started out with a 4-horse, which was more than adequate for that canoe,
and a tidy bit lighter, but Evenrude had problems that year (1976) with
their 4-horse block getting enough cooling, so I upgraded to the 6. This
worked quite well as I later upgraded (downgraded; wood-canvas to aluminum)
to a Grumman 19' square-stern and the 6 pushed that along beautifully,
hauling over #1200 of chum salmon at a time.
Brad

That's a lot of salmon! I got my Evinrude 2hp motor working yesterday.
All it needed was a new HT lead and a bit of adjustment on the mixture
screws.

It has two mixture screws on the carb: one above the other. I assume
one is for fuel and the other for air. I wish I knew which was which.
The top screw seems to like to be in the fully clockwise (minimum)
position. Anything else causes the engine to falter.

AL D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Whew, I've just idled away an hour looking at pictures of Brad and
Lilly. Better you than me, buddy, but I'm glad some of us tread the
borders of human experience.

The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--
================================================== ====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
.. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
.. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
.. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
.. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================



padeen wrote:
Hey Richard, your memory is still functioning; the cabin is five miles up
the Nation River, whose mouth is forty six miles down the Yukon from Eagle.

The 4-horse did seize 1/3 the way back to Eagle on its first run (which is
how I found out about Evenrude's problem), so we pulled out the spa 100'
of 9mm climbing rope. With one end of the rope tied to each end of the
canoe and a bight 1/4 back from the bow in hand, the canoe would "track"
nicely out in the current as I walked along the bank. Hell, after the
disappointment of the motor sh***ing the bed, it turned out to be a
beautiful three-day walk back to Eagle. Lilly, my wife at the time, enjoyed
the tracking, so that left me to look for small game, take pictures, and
daydream.

In a pressing emergency there was always the option (in the summer) of
heading downriver from the Nation the one hundred or so miles to Circle,
which was connected to Fairbanks by a 152 mile dirt road. The float would
take about 20-30 hours depending on the wind.

If you want to see some pictures, go to:
http://uaf-db.uaf.edu/Jukebox/PJWeb/proguseyuch.htm agree to the simple
terms, click on "Interviews" on the left, and "Brad Snow" fifth from the
bottom on the right, then "Click here to go to slide #1" and page through
the slides until you see what you want. There's also commentary about the
slides if you click on the audio icon. This site is the product of the Oral
History Department at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks Campus, and was
funded in part by the US Park Service, who, despite the US Congress' intent
to preserve the subsistance lifestyle along the Yukon, has managed to force
everyone off the land.

Brad







"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com...
padeen wrote:

snip
... but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6
kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts).

Brad, if my memory serves me (and this is not something I ever want to
count on, these days) your cabin was about 40 miles downriver from
Eagle.

I know you back-country types are self-sufficient jacks-of-all-trades,
but I wonder what your back-up plan was for the event of catastrophic
and irreparable failure of that motor?

Just ponderin' this matter, I thought, well, wouldn't it be better if
you lived UPRIVER of your connection to the outside world, so that in
such a case you could float with the current to the place where you
would have to have a replacement engine (or parts) delivered?

Or was your mind-set such that you preferred to have the option to have
the current help you get HOME to your cabin, and you'd deal later with
the problem of getting to town?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--

================================================== ====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
Whew, I've just idled away an hour looking at pictures of Brad and
Lilly. Better you than me, buddy, but I'm glad some of us tread the
borders of human experience.

The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

My curiousity just got the better of me, and I too started going through
the pictures and listening to Brad's description. Wow, that someone can
live like that in the wilderness. It does wake up my adventurous side,
but I can also see the hardship of it.

Thanks for sharing, Brad!


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Please don't take my word as fact; I'm not really a very knowledgable small
engine mechanic, but I think one screw is idle and the other is power
(cruising rpm). AND, there is some danger in running an engine too lean as
it runs hotter and can burn rungs. If it won't run anywhere else, check the
air filter. Also, a jet that will run best only closed is a worn jet.
Bottom line: run it where it runs best. Good luck.

That six horse Evenrude sure gave some service. I ran it for three years,
probably 3hrs a day for 150 days a year, then sold it to a friend who got
another six years from it as a spare. Its biggest problem was that the top
"bearing" wasn't a real bearing; just sleeved in the aluminum block. When
it got older the shaft would wobble, causing the points to become inaccurate
and the motor to start hard and run lousy. Still worked, though.

The other problem was that the Yukon was heavily silt-laden so we'd go
through a water pump rebuild kit every year.

Brad




"Al D" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:49:07 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

I started out with a 4-horse, which was more than adequate for that canoe,
and a tidy bit lighter, but Evenrude had problems that year (1976) with
their 4-horse block getting enough cooling, so I upgraded to the 6. This
worked quite well as I later upgraded (downgraded; wood-canvas to
aluminum)
to a Grumman 19' square-stern and the 6 pushed that along beautifully,
hauling over #1200 of chum salmon at a time.
Brad

That's a lot of salmon! I got my Evinrude 2hp motor working yesterday.
All it needed was a new HT lead and a bit of adjustment on the mixture
screws.

It has two mixture screws on the carb: one above the other. I assume
one is for fuel and the other for air. I wish I knew which was which.
The top screw seems to like to be in the fully clockwise (minimum)
position. Anything else causes the engine to falter.

AL D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

Just two: "small nail" you open-boat reprobate! :)

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

A woodsman nicknamed Nessmuk from the American 1880s once said, "Were not
out here roughing it, we're smoothing it; it's rough enough in the city." I
can't say we were under any "hardships", unless you mean that we didn't have
TV, alcohol, chips, soda, stoplights, insurance, cops, or LDS knocking at
our door. We never thought of what we were doing as extreme, just hard work
at times, and not so hard at others. The first cabin I built didn't have a
door through the first winter, just a blanket, which was usually pulled back
even at 50 below zero; the wood stove kept the cabin too hot to keep it
closed.

Brad



"Wilko" wrote in message
...
Oci-One Kanubi wrote:
Whew, I've just idled away an hour looking at pictures of Brad and
Lilly. Better you than me, buddy, but I'm glad some of us tread the
borders of human experience.

The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

My curiousity just got the better of me, and I too started going through
the pictures and listening to Brad's description. Wow, that someone can
live like that in the wilderness. It does wake up my adventurous side, but
I can also see the hardship of it.

Thanks for sharing, Brad!


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

padeen wrote:
A woodsman nicknamed Nessmuk from the American 1880s once said, "Were not
out here roughing it, we're smoothing it; it's rough enough in the city." I
can't say we were under any "hardships", unless you mean that we didn't have
TV, alcohol, chips, soda, stoplights, insurance, cops, or LDS knocking at
our door. We never thought of what we were doing as extreme, just hard work
at times, and not so hard at others. The first cabin I built didn't have a
door through the first winter, just a blanket, which was usually pulled back
even at 50 below zero; the wood stove kept the cabin too hot to keep it
closed.

It was very late last night after I had showed my girlfriend all the
pictures and listened to the accompanying comments by you. The first
thing she said afterwards was: and when are we going to live there? :-)

From what I understand everyone living there was eventually kicked out
by the park service? Is it still possible to live like that legally,
maybe in Canada?

When I first met a Greek shepherd high up in the mountains, I was
wondering how he could live with only a handful of goats and sheep.
Being invited by the guy to share dinner, and seeing the simple joys of
life, I realized that more definately isn't the same as better.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:12:44 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

A woodsman nicknamed Nessmuk from the American 1880s once said, "Were not
out here roughing it, we're smoothing it; it's rough enough in the city." I
can't say we were under any "hardships", unless you mean that we didn't have
TV, alcohol, chips, soda, stoplights, insurance, cops, or LDS knocking at
our door. We never thought of what we were doing as extreme, just hard work
at times, and not so hard at others. The first cabin I built didn't have a
door through the first winter, just a blanket, which was usually pulled back
even at 50 below zero; the wood stove kept the cabin too hot to keep it
closed.

Brad

Brad, Strangely enough, I've just finished reading Nessmuk's book
"Woodcraft and Camping"! (published 1920) A very entertaining read
....and what a neat surprise to find a chapter on ultra-lightweight
canoes of the period near the end!

I read a very similar book (similar style and similar subject-matter)
called 'The gentle Art of Tramping' by Stephen Graham, (also pre-WW2)
...but I preferred Nessmuk's book, somewhat.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:26:31 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

Please don't take my word as fact; I'm not really a very knowledgable small
engine mechanic, but I think one screw is idle and the other is power
(cruising rpm).

AND, there is some danger in running an engine too lean as
it runs hotter and can burn rungs. If it won't run anywhere else, check the
air filter.

I will. Thanks for the suggestion.

Also, a jet that will run best only closed is a worn jet.

Could be...

That six horse Evenrude sure gave some service. I ran it for three years,
probably 3hrs a day for 150 days a year, then sold it to a friend who got
another six years from it as a spare.

That's reassuring!

Its biggest problem was that the top
"bearing" wasn't a real bearing; just sleeved in the aluminum block. When
it got older the shaft would wobble, causing the points to become inaccurate
and the motor to start hard and run lousy. Still worked, though.

The other problem was that the Yukon was heavily silt-laden so we'd go
through a water pump rebuild kit every year.

Hmm.. I have that problem too... the water I canoe in is not clear but
somewhat muddy.

Still, if I can even get one or two years of life out of it, it will
have been worth the money I paid. It certainly seems ideal for my
purposes.

I'm thinking of building a bracket that will sit the motor directly
behind, and in-line with the center-line of the boat -so no steering
compensation will be required.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

I never found steering compensation a problem with a side mount. The main
problems with rigging the motor off the stern are thus:
* It's harder to reach the motor for adjustment, pulling up, fiddling with,
or shutting off.
* It puts the motor's weight that much further back from the center of the
canoe, requiring more ballast to compensate for it.
* There's more structural rigging, adding more weight.

If you do try this route, I'd suggest arms back to a flat piece for the
motor coming from pivots on the gunwhales, with some form of adjustable
stops to vary the prop's bite. Any more of the motor down into the water
beyond the anti-cavitation plate increases its drag exponentially.

Personally, I think the side mount would work fine, and be a good deal less
trouble, but this world is built on "bad" ideas that turn out to be
earth-shatteringly effective!

Brad Snow
s/v Aldonza



"Al D" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:26:31 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

Please don't take my word as fact; I'm not really a very knowledgable
small
engine mechanic, but I think one screw is idle and the other is power
(cruising rpm).

AND, there is some danger in running an engine too lean as
it runs hotter and can burn rungs. If it won't run anywhere else, check
the
air filter.

I will. Thanks for the suggestion.

Also, a jet that will run best only closed is a worn jet.

Could be...

That six horse Evenrude sure gave some service. I ran it for three years,
probably 3hrs a day for 150 days a year, then sold it to a friend who got
another six years from it as a spare.

That's reassuring!

Its biggest problem was that the top
"bearing" wasn't a real bearing; just sleeved in the aluminum block. When
it got older the shaft would wobble, causing the points to become
inaccurate
and the motor to start hard and run lousy. Still worked, though.

The other problem was that the Yukon was heavily silt-laden so we'd go
through a water pump rebuild kit every year.

Hmm.. I have that problem too... the water I canoe in is not clear but
somewhat muddy.

Still, if I can even get one or two years of life out of it, it will
have been worth the money I paid. It certainly seems ideal for my
purposes.

I'm thinking of building a bracket that will sit the motor directly
behind, and in-line with the center-line of the boat -so no steering
compensation will be required.

Al D

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:45:45 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

If you do try this route, I'd suggest arms back to a flat piece for the
motor coming from pivots on the gunwhales, with some form of adjustable
stops to vary the prop's bite.

Adjustable stops seems a definite good idea.

Any more of the motor down into the water
beyond the anti-cavitation plate increases its drag exponentially.

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks! The cavitation plate (such as it is)
on this little motor is directly above the prop, so if I only just
submerge the plate, the prop will only be about 3" below the
surface... At the moment, I have it set at about 13" below the
surface. Less efficient, perhaps, but it does make the whole
motor+boat more stable (less top-heavy).

Personally, I think the side mount would work fine, and be a good deal less
trouble, but this world is built on "bad" ideas that turn out to be
earth-shatteringly effective!

A side mount is what I now have. I built it a few days ago from teak
offcuts and tested it at the weekend. It does work, but I have to
surmise that the setup is not as efficient as it would be if the prop
was behind the stern, aimed along the boat's center line. Obviously,
that's because when the prop is off to one side, it's going to be
expending some proportion of its energy in trying to make the boat
turn towards the opposite side. I guess a quick fix (but not an
efficient one) would be simply to clamp the motor-mount bracket on
slightly skew, so that the direction of the prop is aimed slightly
inwards of dead-ahead.

I suspect the effort in building an in-line motor mount would be quite
a money-saver in the long-run, since gasoline costs about $8.50 a
gallon over here.

Unfortunately, as you pointed out, there would be some safety and
comfort issues in that the controls on the motor will be much harder
to reach (unless I remove the rear seat so I can move right back into
the stern when using the motor). But that may not be a good idea
beacause I think the seat may be needed to brace the hull.

So perhaps I'll just leave things as they are (for now, at least).
Paying a few pennies more for gasoline, per trip, is not a big deal,
after all. And I am, at least, getting good overall speed from the
side-mounted motor (seemed like about 15 knots to me - with the bow
out of the water).

Regards,

Al Deveron

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

" - with the bow out of the water)."

Remember, the speed (efficiency) of the hull is directly related to its LWL;
I think you'll lose more efficiency (gas) with your bow in the air than w/
the sidemount. Bringing the bow down can be affected by adjusting the angle
of attack of your motor and redistributing your weight. On the Yukon it was
very unusual to see a 19' Grumman squarestern WITHOUT a 5gal gas can on its
foredeck.

Brad





"Al Deveron" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:45:45 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

If you do try this route, I'd suggest arms back to a flat piece for the
motor coming from pivots on the gunwhales, with some form of adjustable
stops to vary the prop's bite.

Adjustable stops seems a definite good idea.

Any more of the motor down into the water
beyond the anti-cavitation plate increases its drag exponentially.

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks! The cavitation plate (such as it is)
on this little motor is directly above the prop, so if I only just
submerge the plate, the prop will only be about 3" below the
surface... At the moment, I have it set at about 13" below the
surface. Less efficient, perhaps, but it does make the whole
motor+boat more stable (less top-heavy).

Personally, I think the side mount would work fine, and be a good deal
less
trouble, but this world is built on "bad" ideas that turn out to be
earth-shatteringly effective!

A side mount is what I now have. I built it a few days ago from teak
offcuts and tested it at the weekend. It does work, but I have to
surmise that the setup is not as efficient as it would be if the prop
was behind the stern, aimed along the boat's center line. Obviously,
that's because when the prop is off to one side, it's going to be
expending some proportion of its energy in trying to make the boat
turn towards the opposite side. I guess a quick fix (but not an
efficient one) would be simply to clamp the motor-mount bracket on
slightly skew, so that the direction of the prop is aimed slightly
inwards of dead-ahead.

I suspect the effort in building an in-line motor mount would be quite
a money-saver in the long-run, since gasoline costs about $8.50 a
gallon over here.

Unfortunately, as you pointed out, there would be some safety and
comfort issues in that the controls on the motor will be much harder
to reach (unless I remove the rear seat so I can move right back into
the stern when using the motor). But that may not be a good idea
beacause I think the seat may be needed to brace the hull.

So perhaps I'll just leave things as they are (for now, at least).
Paying a few pennies more for gasoline, per trip, is not a big deal,
after all. And I am, at least, getting good overall speed from the
side-mounted motor (seemed like about 15 knots to me - with the bow
out of the water).

Regards,

Al Deveron

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

padeen wrote:
The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

Just two: "small nail" you open-boat reprobate! :)

Don't you have to be, like... OLD, to be a reprobate?

Are you typing to me? Are YOU typing to me? Are you typing to ME?

-R

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:21:07 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

Remember, the speed (efficiency) of the hull is directly related to its LWL;

As I understand it, that applies to displacement hulls. However, my
canoe has a flat bottom, making it technically a semi-displacement
hull which has some lifting capacity and therefore the ability to
exceed its maximum displacement speed. Otherwise, I don't think I
could have got it up to the 15 knots I estimate I was doing the other
day.

I think you'll lose more efficiency (gas) with your bow in the air than w/
the sidemount.

You may be right. I have no idea.

Bringing the bow down can be affected by adjusting the angle
of attack of your motor and redistributing your weight. On the Yukon it was
very unusual to see a 19' Grumman squarestern WITHOUT a 5gal gas can on its
foredeck.

I'll have to do some experimenting..

Thanks again,

Al Deveron

Ah, Murie; Olas & Margaret
 

Yes, they (primarily Margaret) were the driving force behind setting up the
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge ("Anwar", in a Texas drawl, to the oil
industry; they don't like to use the word refuge!). An excellent read: Two
in the Far North, by Margaret (one of the books that brought me to Alaska).
She was to the Arctic what David Brower was to the west, and the two spent
much time together.

There are a number of dissimilarities between Yukon-Charlie Preserve and the
Refuge.
1) The Refuge is administered by Fish & Wildlife, the Preserve by the Park
Service. The styles between these two agencies is dramatically different.
To oversimplify, NFW allows and encourages local residents to use the land
for hunting, fishing, trapping, and other historical uses by allowing them
the continued use of their traditional trails, cabins and camps. The NPS
through selected enforcement of local regulations, has forced all
inhabitants of the Preserve from doing what the Refuge residents are allowed
to do. Whether this happened because the Preserve residents were white and
the Refuge residents were Inuit & Athabaskan is an issue I'm not going to
deal with here. The Park Service wanted the land free of human use and the
F&W did not.

2) The country around the Eagle area is very beautiful, but except for the
memories kept by individuals who've passed through, it is not a special
place; it's just another tract of boreal forest which has historically been,
except for the brief gold rush era, very sparsely populated. There are
millions and millions of acres just like it girdling the globe, and much of
it far more productive wrt game and other resources than the Eagle area;
even the indigenous people, the Han Indians, would migrate to the Yukon only
during the summer for the salmon, then leave for ten months to chase the
caribou into the Ogilvie Mountains. But the day the Park Service landed
they started developing their fiefdom, with the river traffic going from a
boat a week to two or more a day, regular helicopter flyovers, and an
administrative system designed to free the land of its human inhabitants.
The Refuge couldn't be more of a contrast. Between migratory birds,
caribou, brown & polar bear, muskoxen, moose, fox, and wolverine it is the
feeding, calving, nesting and childhood area to uncountable numbers of
varied species, as it is to its intricate and spectacular flora. But F&W is
seldom even seen in the Refuge: I've been guiding there for the last six
years, and saw ONE F&W employee, and he was on holiday! But nowhere on
earth, nor certainly in the US, is life more diverse, unique or fragile than
Alaska's Arctic. A few drilling rigs, pipelines and roads the Bush
administration says. Well, picture a beautiful, embroidered white shirt,
and then judge your reaction to that same shirt with a little spaghetti
stain, Now imagine that that is the last white shirt in the nation. What a
careless slob, that diner, no? Barring hotel complexes, strip malls and
coal strip-mining, there is little to fear with what the current
administration can do to Yukon-Charley. Not so the Arctic.

Another excellent book: Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Seasons of Life and
Land (Hardcover) by Subhankar Banerjee This is the book that countered the
Republican claim that the Refuge was just a frozen wasteland, and had its
elaborate Smithsonian display stripped of its elucidating captions and
stuffed into a loading dock access corridor by order of Alaska's Senator Ted
Stevens

So, how do I feel about each federal land grab? Really ****ed that the Park
Service is trying to develop Y-C for the tourist industry by sterilizing the
land, and ****ed at the Republicans for trying to destroy what Edward Abbey
called, "The last bite on the plate." Guess I can't win either way.







"Hanta-Yo-Yo" wrote in message
ups.com...

padeen wrote:
'74 to '83, but still own property in Eagle. Don't know the Murrays

The Murray's or Murry's (?) were instrumental in establishing ANWR.
Which was a conservation program, similar it would seem to what
happened where you were, with the Government coming in and regulating
the natural resourses. I did not get a sense about how you perceived
the take over where you were at. I did not listen to all your audio, so
you may have covered this question there. Looking back, how do you feel
about the take over now? HYY

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Yeah, old! You just wait. Keep up your pace and you'll have to drop the
"sex" from your sig in another twenty or thirty years.

What's your craft brand of choice these days?

Brad



"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com...
padeen wrote:
The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

Just two: "small nail" you open-boat reprobate! :)

Don't you have to be, like... OLD, to be a reprobate?

Are you typing to me? Are YOU typing to me? Are you typing to ME?

-R

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Al Deveron wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:21:07 GMT, "padeen" wrote:

Remember, the speed (efficiency) of the hull is directly related to its LWL;

As I understand it, that applies to displacement hulls. However, my
canoe has a flat bottom, making it technically a semi-displacement
hull which has some lifting capacity and therefore the ability to
exceed its maximum displacement speed. Otherwise, I don't think I
could have got it up to the 15 knots I estimate I was doing the other
day.

Were you using the Evinrude for a power source to hit 15 knots?

Steve
--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:31:16 -0400, Steve Cramer
wrote:

Were you using the Evinrude for a power source to hit 15 knots?

Let me put it this way: I certainly wasn't *paddling* at 15 knots in
my 14 ft canoe!

Al Deveron

Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?
 

Al Deveron wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:31:16 -0400, Steve Cramer
wrote:

Were you using the Evinrude for a power source to hit 15 knots?

Let me put it this way: I certainly wasn't *paddling* at 15 knots in
my 14 ft canoe!

Aww, I was prepared to be really impressed. ;)

--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA