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Harry Krause wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/9qs28

America is truely a strange and scarey place.

(sorry I peeked)

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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/9qs28

America is truely a strange and scarey place.


Sometimes. But, I have a friend who's married to a nice lady who absolutely
hates guns. He wanted to go to one of those full-auto events out in Nevada a
few years back. He bet his wife that she'd love it, and that if he was
wrong, he'd wash all the dishes for a year AND sell some of his guns, in
which she thought he had too much money tied up. (She was right). He won the
bet. She loved shooting stuff. She had to stop complaining FOREVER about
guns in general. And, he still sold some of his collector's pieces, about
$30 grand worth.

I don't see it as much different than demolishing old drywall with a sledge
hammer, which ends up being very relaxing.

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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/9qs28

America is truely a strange and scarey place.

(sorry I peeked)



Reminds me of the night I went after the squirrel that got into our house.

RCE

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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/9qs28

America is truely a strange and scarey place.

(sorry I peeked)



Reminds me of the night I went after the squirrel that got into our house.

RCE


Did you end up with an unexpected skylight in the ceiling? :-)

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Black Dog" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/9qs28

America is truely a strange and scarey place.



Sometimes. But, I have a friend who's married to a nice lady who absolutely
hates guns. He wanted to go to one of those full-auto events out in Nevada a
few years back. He bet his wife that she'd love it, and that if he was
wrong, he'd wash all the dishes for a year AND sell some of his guns, in
which she thought he had too much money tied up. (She was right). He won the
bet. She loved shooting stuff. She had to stop complaining FOREVER about
guns in general. And, he still sold some of his collector's pieces, about
$30 grand worth.

I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there
are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a
good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit
the broad side of a barn with.

BUT the sight of that sweet looking 6 year old girl goin' to town on the
machine gun - it's just bizarre. Video games are bad enough for
habituating children to senseless violence, let alone letting them play
with live ammo.



I don't see it as much different than demolishing old drywall with a sledge
hammer, which ends up being very relaxing.



It is VERY different, the fact that you don't see it proves my first
statement (ie, America is a strange and scarey place)

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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Black Dog" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/9qs28

America is truely a strange and scarey place.



Sometimes. But, I have a friend who's married to a nice lady who
absolutely hates guns. He wanted to go to one of those full-auto events
out in Nevada a few years back. He bet his wife that she'd love it, and
that if he was wrong, he'd wash all the dishes for a year AND sell some
of his guns, in which she thought he had too much money tied up. (She was
right). He won the bet. She loved shooting stuff. She had to stop
complaining FOREVER about guns in general. And, he still sold some of his
collector's pieces, about $30 grand worth.

I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff isn't
fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there are man
targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a good
head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit the broad
side of a barn with.

BUT the sight of that sweet looking 6 year old girl goin' to town on the
machine gun - it's just bizarre. Video games are bad enough for
habituating children to senseless violence, let alone letting them play
with live ammo.



I don't see it as much different than demolishing old drywall with a
sledge hammer, which ends up being very relaxing.

It is VERY different, the fact that you don't see it proves my first
statement (ie, America is a strange and scarey place)

Well, here's another way of looking at it: Violence is part the the human
deal, and the energy involved in doing violent things is not TOTALLY
different than the energy or urges involved with other more peaceful
activities. The more evolved among us (even in Canada) learn to focus on
constructive things, which may involve playing loud music once a week,
sports (doing, not watching & drooling), doing insanely hard work in a
garden which has never had more than a 71% success rate, or blowing up old
cars at a friend's farm. Those who have NOT evolved in this way get involved
with crime, watching professional wrestling, and getting a sick sort of
thrill listening to other people talk about invading foreign countries.

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Harry Krause wrote:


I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range
there are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22
requires a good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I
can't hit the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is your
stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong.
The hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast, my
shots usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the sights
are good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm a
dead-eye with 22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so I
thought it would be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate
the recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached
for two weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort.
Fortunately, I'm not a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.

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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:


I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there
are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a
good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit
the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is your
stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong. The
hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast, my shots
usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the sights are
good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm a dead-eye with
22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so I thought it would
be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate the
recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached for two
weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort. Fortunately, I'm not
a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.

Questions & comments:

1) With the 9mm, what distance are the targets at?

2) Which gun? How long's the barrel?

3) In order to eliminate any marital or gun repair issues, check either the
9mm's instruction book, or call the manufacturer and see if it's OK to dry
fire the gun. Or, get some snap caps (fake rounds which you load to protect
the firing pin). Now, practice without real ammo. An explosion at the end of
one's hand is not normal, and you can get into the habit of flinching in
anticipation of the shot. Dry firing gives you an opportunity to keep your
eye on what's important: Sight alignment. If you see the sites becoming
misaligned as you dry fire, then you start working on how you're pulling the
trigger.

4) Here's a chart that links shot placement errors with "errors of the
hand": http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/Pi...t_Analysis.pdf

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:20:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"Black Dog" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:


I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there
are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a
good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit
the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is your
stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong. The
hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast, my shots
usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the sights are
good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm a dead-eye with
22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so I thought it would
be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate the
recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached for two
weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort. Fortunately, I'm not
a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.

Questions & comments:

1) With the 9mm, what distance are the targets at?

2) Which gun? How long's the barrel?

3) In order to eliminate any marital or gun repair issues, check either the
9mm's instruction book, or call the manufacturer and see if it's OK to dry
fire the gun. Or, get some snap caps (fake rounds which you load to protect
the firing pin). Now, practice without real ammo. An explosion at the end of
one's hand is not normal, and you can get into the habit of flinching in
anticipation of the shot. Dry firing gives you an opportunity to keep your
eye on what's important: Sight alignment. If you see the sites becoming
misaligned as you dry fire, then you start working on how you're pulling the
trigger.

4) Here's a chart that links shot placement errors with "errors of the
hand": http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/Pi...t_Analysis.pdf


A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help also,
in many more ways than one!

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Black Dog" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there
are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a
good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit
the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is your
stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong. The
hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast, my shots
usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the sights are
good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm a dead-eye with
22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so I thought it would
be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate the
recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached for two
weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort. Fortunately, I'm not
a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.


Questions & comments:

1) With the 9mm, what distance are the targets at?

25 yards. I can't even pretend to get near the 50 yard ones. Hell, I
can't even see the 50 yard ones.


2) Which gun? How long's the barrel?

Jeez, I donno. It's a Browning 9mm and it is short and heavy. It is
exactly like the one Indiana Jones has in the movies.


3) In order to eliminate any marital or gun repair issues, check either the
9mm's instruction book, or call the manufacturer and see if it's OK to dry
fire the gun. Or, get some snap caps (fake rounds which you load to protect
the firing pin). Now, practice without real ammo. An explosion at the end of
one's hand is not normal, and you can get into the habit of flinching in
anticipation of the shot. Dry firing gives you an opportunity to keep your
eye on what's important: Sight alignment. If you see the sites becoming
misaligned as you dry fire, then you start working on how you're pulling the
trigger.

Yes. Flinching in anticipation is exactly what I think I am doing. But
I have no ambition to become Annie Oakley. The big bang the 22 makes is
an excellent bear-deterent even though I couldn't take the ******* down
with it if I tried.


4) Here's a chart that links shot placement errors with "errors of the
hand": http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/Pi...t_Analysis.pdf

Thanks.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Black Dog wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range
there are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22
requires a good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm
I can't hit the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is
your stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong.
The hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast,
my shots usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the
sights are good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm
a dead-eye with 22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so
I thought it would be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate
the recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached
for two weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort.
Fortunately, I'm not a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.



I've found the opposite to be true, that is, within reason, the heavier
handgun is easier to control. Within reason. Some of them are damned
heavy no matter the caliber.

Yes, well, experience has showed me the same, although it is
counter-intuitive.

The 22 has a bit of longer barrel too, which probably makes quite a bit
of difference.

I can't feel the "recoil" on the .22 I shoot at all. Zero. Zip. There's
nothing there I can perceive.

Exactly. And that's the one I am whizzers at.

The 9mm I shoot kicks a bit, but it's
easily managed with a good two-hand stance.

Mine kicks like an angry mule. Course that's just MHO. Hubby thinks
I'm a wimp.

You might want to visit an
indoor range with a couple of boxes of 9mm ammo and get one of the guys
who usually hang out at those places to give you a look-see.

You might be surprised. Even in my little red-necky part of the north
country those guys are curiously absent. This is Canada, eh.

Although, if I were truely ambitious, I could get my daughter or
son-in-law or any of their co-workers to help me out. They are both
RCMP. The daughter even has her crossed pistols pin, which is
apparently one step up from the crossed rifles the son-in-law has.

From what
you say, it reads as if you are pulling your shots. A bit of instruction
and practice will rid you of that. I'm guessing that you are pulling the
handgun down when you are pulling the trigger and then pushing the
handgun up as soon as you fire.

Yup. I think you're probably right. But like I said, it doesn't
matter. I daresay, neither my life, nor anyone elses would be saved by
my being a good shot with 9mm. The bears, OTOH, are having a picnic to
celebrate my lack of ambition.


How far away are the targets you're shooting?

25 yards. See my response to JoeSpareBedroom.

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"Black Dog" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Black Dog" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there
are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a
good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit
the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is your
stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong. The
hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast, my
shots usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the sights
are good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm a dead-eye
with 22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so I thought it
would be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate
the recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached
for two weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort.
Fortunately, I'm not a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.


Questions & comments:

1) With the 9mm, what distance are the targets at?

25 yards. I can't even pretend to get near the 50 yard ones. Hell, I
can't even see the 50 yard ones.

I've got a Kahr .40 cal with 4" barrel. Patterns are tight at 50 feet. 75
feet's pushing it for your typical handgun, unless you've had all sorts of
gunsmithing done to it and you're very selective with your ammo. You should
be able to at least hit an 8.5x11 inch piece of paper, though.



Yes. Flinching in anticipation is exactly what I think I am doing. But I
have no ambition to become Annie Oakley. The big bang the 22 makes is an
excellent bear-deterent even though I couldn't take the ******* down with
it if I tried.

That "noise deters bears" thing is a crap shoot. Sometimes it just scares
them and makes them crazier, if they've already targeted you. In that case,
it's good to have a gun with a totally smooth barrel. No front sight, in
other words. That way, when the bear shoves it up your ass, it hurts less.

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JohnH wrote:

A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help also,
in many more ways than one!

That does sound like a good plan. Too bad election time is over (up here).

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:34:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Black Dog" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Black Dog" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

I didn't say shooting stuff wasn't fun. I NEVER said shooting stuff
isn't fun. I own guns. Handguns, in fact. At the shooting range there
are man targets that I love. To take them down with the 22 requires a
good head-shot and I can do it 5 out of 5 times. The 9mm I can't hit
the broad side of a barn with.



Are you consistently missing with the 9 mm? Are your sights off? Is your
stance off? Are you not using a good two-handed grip?


Yeah, consistantly. Haven't quite figured out what I'm doing wrong. The
hubby can do a nice tight cluster on the bullseye with the beast, my
shots usually hit the ground way short of the target. I know the sights
are good, I know how to stand and hold a gun. Like I said, I'm a dead-eye
with 22. The Browie is quite a bit lighter than the 22 so I thought it
would be easier to hold steady, but not so.

I think I may be pulling up my hands at the last second because I hate
the recoil so much. The first time I shot with it my right hand ached
for two weeks afterward. A psychological block of some sort.
Fortunately, I'm not a cop or a soldier so it doesn't much matter.


Questions & comments:

1) With the 9mm, what distance are the targets at?

25 yards. I can't even pretend to get near the 50 yard ones. Hell, I
can't even see the 50 yard ones.

I've got a Kahr .40 cal with 4" barrel. Patterns are tight at 50 feet. 75
feet's pushing it for your typical handgun, unless you've had all sorts of
gunsmithing done to it and you're very selective with your ammo. You should
be able to at least hit an 8.5x11 inch piece of paper, though.



Yes. Flinching in anticipation is exactly what I think I am doing. But I
have no ambition to become Annie Oakley. The big bang the 22 makes is an
excellent bear-deterent even though I couldn't take the ******* down with
it if I tried.

That "noise deters bears" thing is a crap shoot. Sometimes it just scares
them and makes them crazier, if they've already targeted you. In that case,
it's good to have a gun with a totally smooth barrel. No front sight, in
other words. That way, when the bear shoves it up your ass, it hurts less.

ROFL!

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Black Dog wrote:
JohnH wrote:


A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help also,
in many more ways than one!


That does sound like a good plan. Too bad election time is over (up here).


Not for us. We elect a new provincial government today.
Tough choice for me. Former co-worker is running for the Liberals, but
I usually favour the New Democrats. The New Dems are promising to bring
in Govt run auto insurance to release us from the claws of the big
international gougers.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Black Dog wrote:
JohnH wrote:


A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help
also,
in many more ways than one!


That does sound like a good plan. Too bad election time is over (up
here).


Not for us. We elect a new provincial government today.
Tough choice for me. Former co-worker is running for the Liberals, but I
usually favour the New Democrats. The New Dems are promising to bring in
Govt run auto insurance to release us from the claws of the big
international gougers.


I have a friend who sells car insurance. He has an interesting idea. He
think that instead of everyone paying absurd prices for a risk pool largely
consisting of awful drivers, the insurers should administer road tests,
refuse to insure the worst drivers, and (here's the good part) share the
test results with all other insurers. I like it.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Black Dog wrote:

JohnH wrote:


A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help
also,
in many more ways than one!


That does sound like a good plan. Too bad election time is over (up
here).


Not for us. We elect a new provincial government today.
Tough choice for me. Former co-worker is running for the Liberals, but I
usually favour the New Democrats. The New Dems are promising to bring in
Govt run auto insurance to release us from the claws of the big
international gougers.



I have a friend who sells car insurance. He has an interesting idea. He
think that instead of everyone paying absurd prices for a risk pool largely
consisting of awful drivers, the insurers should administer road tests,
refuse to insure the worst drivers, and (here's the good part) share the
test results with all other insurers. I like it.


Only bad thing about that 'cherry picking'.
You would end up with a lot of yahoos running around without insurance.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Black Dog wrote:

JohnH wrote:


A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help
also,
in many more ways than one!


That does sound like a good plan. Too bad election time is over (up
here).


Not for us. We elect a new provincial government today.
Tough choice for me. Former co-worker is running for the Liberals, but I
usually favour the New Democrats. The New Dems are promising to bring in
Govt run auto insurance to release us from the claws of the big
international gougers.



I have a friend who sells car insurance. He has an interesting idea. He
think that instead of everyone paying absurd prices for a risk pool
largely consisting of awful drivers, the insurers should administer road
tests, refuse to insure the worst drivers, and (here's the good part)
share the test results with all other insurers. I like it.
Only bad thing about that 'cherry picking'.
You would end up with a lot of yahoos running around without insurance.

We already have that. More of them might be a good thing. It might increase
the odds of the cops being able to arrest them. Now, there's no penalty for
stupid driving.

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Don White wrote:
Black Dog wrote:

JohnH wrote:


A few hours spent dry firing at objects on the TV can be a big help
also,
in many more ways than one!



That does sound like a good plan. Too bad election time is over (up
here).



Not for us. We elect a new provincial government today.
Tough choice for me. Former co-worker is running for the Liberals, but
I usually favour the New Democrats. The New Dems are promising to bring
in Govt run auto insurance to release us from the claws of the big
international gougers.

The New Dems will promise ANYTHING to get elected (like any other
party). They will not deliver. Garanteed. They promised us govt auto
insurance too, cheaper, better. What they did instead was slap
provincial sales tax on it. So we are a still beholdin to the gougers,
but now we pay 8% sales tax on top. I used to vote NDP. That was
before, what we call here in Ontario, "The Rae Years". Now I know better.

And when the NDP say, "tax the rich", guess what - if you live in
anything better than a cardboard box in the middle of a swamp - you ARE
rich. Nova Scotians did the right thing electing a PC minority.

And now Bob turned coat completely and is running to lead the libs. I
know the only person in Ontario who will vote for him (my boss - a Tory
at heart, loves Rae)