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"Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... RCE wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:17:09 -0400, "RCE" wrote: Simple explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam Interesting that you example mentions wet steam....since that should be visible.... it is, by your definition, water vapor. In my younger years, I used to donate quite a bit of time running historical steam engines. I can *assure* you that, without a superheater, these engines were running on wet steam. If vapor was incompressible, that couldn't have happened..... Well, interesting discussion, anyway. I've come across a few contradictions in the world of science and physics over the years - at least to the level that my simple head can understand. It seems that a particular theory or mathematical model that works for one technical discipline may be at odds with those subscribed to in another discipline. A good example is wavelength issues in electronics versus optics. Although the rules are similar and both use Smith charts, etc., an electronics engineer and an optical dude will debate how it works forever. RCE www.eisboch.com Smith charts in Optics? Never heard of such. Tell me more. I have used smith charts in electronics. Yup. The same one. Thin film optical interference coatings are often designed as band pass filters, blocking filters selective wavelength transmission, etc., and the Smith Chart is as much a tool to those guys as it is to electronic circuit and microwave engineers. It should be as the theory is basically the same, optics just operate at much, much shorter wavelengths. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message link.net... "RCE" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:24:06 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:05:33 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: No, but I've seen water vapor that was compressed perform work..... http://tinyurl.com/jtwls Steam is in a gaseous state, only when it condenses does it form visible water vapor. Have you guys got a link or source to support this definition? Gene, I've looked, but can't find one on-line that clearly defines the definition that I can understand. My basic understanding is from a discussion I had years ago with a scientist who corrected my misunderstanding of this subject and it has stuck in my head. Many people, including myself before that discussion, think of steam as being the visible fog seen over a pot of boiling water or the exhaust from the pistons of a steam powered locomotive. It's not steam. It's condensing water vapor. Steam is regarded as a gas because it obeys general gas laws whereas water vapor does not. RCE www.eisboch.com The elements that make water can change state between gas and liquid. Can they also change state to solid? Just curious, Jim Ignore my smart-ass Manhattan on the rocks. (ice). I assume you mean can hydrogen and/or oxygen freeze solid? I don't know but have never heard of it. There's liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen but I don't know if they can get cold enough to become a solid. I suppose if you could achieve absolute zero (zero, Kelvin) then they would be a solid since at absolute zero there is theoretically no movement of molecules. RCE www.eisboch.com Thank you! My secret decoder ring was having difficulty decoding the last message. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:55:20 -0400, "RCE" wrote: Steam is a gas and behaves as such. Water vapor is not a gas. You guys may be entirely correct, but if so, I can't confirm it by any source available to me..... Looks like I may have been mistaken, at least according to my Google search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam "In physical chemistry, and in engineering, steam refers to vaporized water. It is a pure, completely invisible gas (for mist see below), which at standard atmospheric pressure has a temperature of around 100 degrees Celsius, and occupies about 1,600 times the volume of liquid water (steam can of course be much hotter than the boiling point of water; such steam is usually called superheated steam). In common speech, steam most often refers to the white mist that condenses above boiling water as the hot vapor ("steam" in the first sense) mixes with the cooler air. After gaseous steam has intermixed with air, it is no longer properly called steam and is instead referred to as water vapor." http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/va...eam-d_609.html "In superheated vapor the temperature is higher than the boiling point temperature corresponding to the pressure. The vapor can not exist in contact with the fluid, nor contain fluid particles. An increase in pressure or decrease in temperature will not - within limits - condensate out liquid particles in the vapor. Highly superheated vapors are gases that approximately follow the general gas law." I guess there is a fine line on this which I was not aware of. |
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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:55:20 -0400, "RCE" wrote: Steam is a gas and behaves as such. Water vapor is not a gas. You guys may be entirely correct, but if so, I can't confirm it by any source available to me..... Looks like I may have been mistaken, at least according to my Google search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam "In physical chemistry, and in engineering, steam refers to vaporized water. It is a pure, completely invisible gas (for mist see below), which at standard atmospheric pressure has a temperature of around 100 degrees Celsius, and occupies about 1,600 times the volume of liquid water (steam can of course be much hotter than the boiling point of water; such steam is usually called superheated steam). In common speech, steam most often refers to the white mist that condenses above boiling water as the hot vapor ("steam" in the first sense) mixes with the cooler air. After gaseous steam has intermixed with air, it is no longer properly called steam and is instead referred to as water vapor." http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/va...eam-d_609.html "In superheated vapor the temperature is higher than the boiling point temperature corresponding to the pressure. The vapor can not exist in contact with the fluid, nor contain fluid particles. An increase in pressure or decrease in temperature will not - within limits - condensate out liquid particles in the vapor. Highly superheated vapors are gases that approximately follow the general gas law." I guess there is a fine line on this which I was not aware of. You are not alone. I assumed steam was simply hot water vapor for years until corrected by someone a lot more knowledgeable than I. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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"Jim" wrote in message link.net... "RCE" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:24:06 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:05:33 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: No, but I've seen water vapor that was compressed perform work..... http://tinyurl.com/jtwls Steam is in a gaseous state, only when it condenses does it form visible water vapor. Have you guys got a link or source to support this definition? Gene, I've looked, but can't find one on-line that clearly defines the definition that I can understand. My basic understanding is from a discussion I had years ago with a scientist who corrected my misunderstanding of this subject and it has stuck in my head. Many people, including myself before that discussion, think of steam as being the visible fog seen over a pot of boiling water or the exhaust from the pistons of a steam powered locomotive. It's not steam. It's condensing water vapor. Steam is regarded as a gas because it obeys general gas laws whereas water vapor does not. RCE www.eisboch.com The elements that make water can change state between gas and liquid. Can they also change state to solid? Just curious, Jim Yes they can. See for example http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/serv...cvips&gifs=yes or http://nautilus.fis.uc.pt/st2.5/scen...em/e00895.html O2 melts at 55 K. Boils at 90 K H2 melts at 14K and Boils at 20K |
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OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch "Del Cecchi" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message link.net... "RCE" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:24:06 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:05:33 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: No, but I've seen water vapor that was compressed perform work..... http://tinyurl.com/jtwls Steam is in a gaseous state, only when it condenses does it form visible water vapor. Have you guys got a link or source to support this definition? Gene, I've looked, but can't find one on-line that clearly defines the definition that I can understand. My basic understanding is from a discussion I had years ago with a scientist who corrected my misunderstanding of this subject and it has stuck in my head. Many people, including myself before that discussion, think of steam as being the visible fog seen over a pot of boiling water or the exhaust from the pistons of a steam powered locomotive. It's not steam. It's condensing water vapor. Steam is regarded as a gas because it obeys general gas laws whereas water vapor does not. RCE www.eisboch.com The elements that make water can change state between gas and liquid. Can they also change state to solid? Just curious, Jim Yes they can. See for example http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/serv...cvips&gifs=yes or http://nautilus.fis.uc.pt/st2.5/scen...em/e00895.html O2 melts at 55 K. Boils at 90 K H2 melts at 14K and Boils at 20K |
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"Butch Davis" wrote in message link.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com |
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Jim "RCE" wrote in message ... "Butch Davis" wrote in message link.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com |
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"Jim" wrote in message nk.net... You won't be happy till you see all our eyes glazed over; will ya? Jim Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com I've seen your eyes glazed over a few times and it wasn't from talking about technical stuff. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message nk.net... You won't be happy till you see all our eyes glazed over; will ya? Jim Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com I've seen your eyes glazed over a few times and it wasn't from talking about technical stuff. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
"Butch Davis" wrote in message hlink.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message thlink.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- I was screwing around and found this site: http://www.chem4kids.com/extras/quiz...try/index.html It's for elementary school kids. I took the test and got 9 out of 10 (missed the first one) but am embarrassed to say I got lucky with a few guesses. It's the kind of information you learn at some point for no good reason other than to learn it. Kinda like reading Macbeth and trying to remember who he killed 40 years later. Boating content: Sitting on the boat right now enjoying a Sam. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message rthlink.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message arthlink.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- Thanks. I've had requests to expand and add to that page. You have to be in the right mood. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:07:04 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- Thanks. I've had requests to expand and add to that page. You have to be in the right mood. RCE www.eisboch.com Personally, I think it's just right the way it is. Good last line too! -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:07:04 -0400, "RCE" wrote: Personally, I think it's just right the way it is. Good last line too! -- John H He loves those things. I was buying a big bag every week before I realized that they were *real*! Yuk. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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RCE wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- I was screwing around and found this site: http://www.chem4kids.com/extras/quiz...try/index.html It's for elementary school kids. I took the test and got 9 out of 10 (missed the first one) but am embarrassed to say I got lucky with a few guesses. It's the kind of information you learn at some point for no good reason other than to learn it. Kinda like reading Macbeth and trying to remember who he killed 40 years later. Boating content: Sitting on the boat right now enjoying a Sam. Mmmm Sam........ First beer I cloned when learning to brew. That was from extracts. Now I all-grain brew and still like my sam adams clone! |
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RCE wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message arthlink.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- Thanks. I've had requests to expand and add to that page. You have to be in the right mood. RCE www.eisboch.com I 100% agree with you about horses, by the way. Every time I've been around a damned horse, it's tried to bite me, step on me, buck me off, or combinations of those. I learned after very few times around them, that if it isn't a mechanical ride, I ain't getting on it! |
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"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... I 100% agree with you about horses, by the way. Every time I've been around a damned horse, it's tried to bite me, step on me, buck me off, or combinations of those. I learned after very few times around them, that if it isn't a mechanical ride, I ain't getting on it! I've been bit and stepped on but not bucked off, mainly because I won't get on them. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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OK, guys. This has been too educational and fun!!! On a final note I'd
like to recommend, to those who enjoy Sam, Bohemia from Mexico. Pronounced Boemia if you want to show off in the local Mexican Pub & Grub. Butch "RCE" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... I 100% agree with you about horses, by the way. Every time I've been around a damned horse, it's tried to bite me, step on me, buck me off, or combinations of those. I learned after very few times around them, that if it isn't a mechanical ride, I ain't getting on it! I've been bit and stepped on but not bucked off, mainly because I won't get on them. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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That's what I liked about dirt bikes. They don't give you a hassle, and
they don't get stung by a bee, and usually if you get thrown off it's your own fault. Ah, I wish I still hade my old Bultaco Alpina! RCE wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... I 100% agree with you about horses, by the way. Every time I've been around a damned horse, it's tried to bite me, step on me, buck me off, or combinations of those. I learned after very few times around them, that if it isn't a mechanical ride, I ain't getting on it! I've been bit and stepped on but not bucked off, mainly because I won't get on them. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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"Butch Davis" wrote in message link.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Right. the states of matter are solid, liquid, gas. Vapor seems to be another word for gas sometimes and another word for "suspension of small particles of liquid in a gas" sometimes. |
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RCE wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... I 100% agree with you about horses, by the way. Every time I've been around a damned horse, it's tried to bite me, step on me, buck me off, or combinations of those. I learned after very few times around them, that if it isn't a mechanical ride, I ain't getting on it! I've been bit and stepped on but not bucked off, mainly because I won't get on them. RCE www.eisboch.com Well, back in my youth I was in lust with a girl that liked horses, so I had to at least attempt to ride one.... That was a short lived affair! She got mad when I told her horses were nothing but dumb **** machines! |
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Grew up on horses. Lovely creatures. My people were ranchers on my Mom's
side in New Mexico. She supposedly could ride before she could walk. I believe it as she could handle any horse for miles around. The cowboys could get a little jealous of her riding ability but she was not too good with a rope, merely adaquate. Hopefully there are horses in the Sky. Butch "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... RCE wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... I 100% agree with you about horses, by the way. Every time I've been around a damned horse, it's tried to bite me, step on me, buck me off, or combinations of those. I learned after very few times around them, that if it isn't a mechanical ride, I ain't getting on it! I've been bit and stepped on but not bucked off, mainly because I won't get on them. RCE www.eisboch.com Well, back in my youth I was in lust with a girl that liked horses, so I had to at least attempt to ride one.... That was a short lived affair! She got mad when I told her horses were nothing but dumb **** machines! |
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Butch Davis wrote: Grew up on horses. Lovely creatures. My people were ranchers on my Mom's side in New Mexico. She supposedly could ride before she could walk. I believe it as she could handle any horse for miles around. The cowboys could get a little jealous of her riding ability but she was not too good with a rope, merely adaquate. I was around farms, most with at least one horse, for about 20 years of my life. Horses are just a tad smarter than a dairy cow, and that ain't saying alot. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message link.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- Thanks. I've had requests to expand and add to that page. You have to be in the right mood. RCE www.eisboch.com Dick, Really nice personal web page. For what it is worth, on my computer (using IE w/1024 x 768 resolution) your web page is about 10% too large for my Dell 1907 Flat Panel Digital Monitor. I have to scroll over 3" to see the complete page. ( I only told you this because I know you have OCD and will obsess about it till you have perfected the web site.) Reggie |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. RCE wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message link.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- Thanks. I've had requests to expand and add to that page. You have to be in the right mood. RCE www.eisboch.com Dick, Really nice personal web page. For what it is worth, on my computer (using IE w/1024 x 768 resolution) your web page is about 10% too large for my Dell 1907 Flat Panel Digital Monitor. I have to scroll over 3" to see the complete page. ( I only told you this because I know you have OCD and will obsess about it till you have perfected the web site.) Reggie You're right. I won't get any sleep tonight. Seriously though, thanks for the feedback. I think Shortwave mentioned this also. I originally set the pages up at 1400 wide. I reduced the width to 1200, but I guess I should make them 1024. It's interesting though because the website provider (GeoCities) gives you stats on what browser most people are viewing with and what image size they are capable of. According to the stats, 76.6 % of the people that have viewed the site use MSIE version 6.0. and 47.56% have a screen resolution of 1440 x 900. This is the majority - the remainder are resolutions other than that. I'll shrink 'em down some more this weekend maybe. RCE www.eisboch.com |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: RCE wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:35:41 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:50:06 -0400, "RCE" wrote: "Butch Davis" wrote in message link.net... Guys, OK, I think I've finally gotten it. Solid, liquid, vapor, gas, right? Well, except for sublimation? But, vapor seems to be a concentration of numerous small LIQUID particles? OK, if that's so it really is solid, liquid, gas, right? Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys, and so concisly, too. :=) Butch Not quite done yet. In the scientific and physics world there's another "state". Ionized gas or "plasma". RCE www.eisboch.com Rich, why not post "States of Matter" by Bill Nye, The Science Guy? Seems like I saw that video while subbing an 8th grade science class. -- It might confuse me. RCE www.eisboch.com LOL! BTW, I like the site and have to agree with Tom. The dog page is fantastic! -- Thanks. I've had requests to expand and add to that page. You have to be in the right mood. RCE www.eisboch.com Dick, Really nice personal web page. For what it is worth, on my computer (using IE w/1024 x 768 resolution) your web page is about 10% too large for my Dell 1907 Flat Panel Digital Monitor. I have to scroll over 3" to see the complete page. ( I only told you this because I know you have OCD and will obsess about it till you have perfected the web site.) Reggie Get a better monitor and bump up your resolution. Harry, Excellent suggestion. I need it now that all you SOB's talked me into buying a Nikon D50 and every expensive lens Nikon makes. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
E-Tec problems series 1
"Here we go again!".....says Fredo with a groan.
Karen, why must you insist in trying to ride this dead TROLL! "K. Smith" wrote in message ... The E-Tec range of OB engines are now getting sold in numbers into various markets & their ads are a total pain. So some anti-ads are in order. In our opinion E-Tec have the potential to be an even bigger consumer disaster than the first time when they were called Ficht & marketed in the main by the same dealers/riggers who were then placarded OMC. The reasons for holding my opinions of what we say are E-Tecs design & other problems are many, too many for one short NG post, they fall into numerous categories any one of which, on it's own, is reason enough to stay well away from them. (i) The basic concept of running internal combustion engines with lean mixtures at power, as opposed to overrun (doesn't happen in boats:-)),idle or high speed very light throttle cruise (again doesn't happen in boats). (ii) The Direct Fuel Injection (DFI)into the combustion chamber (DFI) (iii) The fuel injector nozzle. (iv) The fuel injector (v) The oiling system (vi) The ignition system. (vii) The engine displacements. (viii) The latest version changes. (ix) The "potential" for union labour to be used to build them. (x) The "potential" way the manufacture is funded (xi) The dealers/suppliers involved & the way/amounts they get paid (xii) The marketing claims (xiii) The warranty. (xiv) Common sense. I'll make a series of posts dealing with each category & if needs be sub category. Needless to say, similarly I tried to warn you through this NG about our "opinions" that Ficht would fail, "before" it had become the disaster it did. I was viciously & personally attached in this NG by those mostly with a vested interest in selling/supporting known defective Ficht engines to consumers. The dealers of course, the union thugs who had the undeclared invested interest in the funding of OMC & a gaggle of sad simpletons who, despite ample warnings in this NG, had fallen into buying one & could only try to deny the obvious to save some value to their boats & pride to there ego. Alas all sunk along with OMC when it fetched up on Ficht reef. Save one true fool who went the next step & just kept claiming he had bought another one every time the subject came up, which would make him the most stupid person ever into rec.boats, a seriously sad thing given some of the simpletons we've had & still have here over the years:-) It's very possible he's just making it up about buying more of them because if he had, I doubt his brain stem would even support cardiac functions & remember a heart continues to beat even outside the body. So the first subject is running engines at power while lean & I say; It's a much researched & experimented with idea, almost since IC "petrol" engines were invented & thus far all attempts by big (Chrysler, Honda etc) & small (OMC) have failed outright. Most didn't claim to be able to run engines actually "lean" but all claimed they were clever enough to know that can't be done (after all the same rules apply to the shuttle), yet they claimed to have miraculously just "found" a way to stratify the mixture within the combustion chamber. The claims of having a "stratified" charge (i.e. the correct mixture at the spark plug but no fuel anywhere else in the chamber) proved to be just fanciful dreaming. Even the slightest fuel that doesn't get ignited in a continuous flame front from the initial spark will result in it auto igniting once the initial "stratified" charge has increased the chamber temp/pressure past 230C. All attempts cost the manufacturers & in OMCs case killed the Co outright. Only gases burn, no liquids no matter how flammable they are, actually "burn", all liquids that can burn only do so once they're fully vapourised. It's the vapour that allows oxygen to be available to support the combustion. Most flammable fuels have a mixture range in which it's possible to sustain combustion, ie if the mixture is too fuel lean then the vapour is so thinly disbursed with air that a flame front can't advance quickly enough to consume the charge, or if it's too fuel rich then the vapour does not allow enough air (oxygen) to be available to sustain the combustion process. Simple enough to prove when the older engines that had a mixture screw on the idle circuit of the carburetor, too lean & it stalled too rich & it stalled. Or if you "flood" an engine (too rich) there is raw fuel in the plugs so no ignition. Lean at power is a big problem, as said the flame front cannot be guaranteed to travel at a predictable & known speed because it isn't uniformly carried in the chamber. This means that the slow burn allows excessive heat to buildup in the combustion chamber so that the the remaining un-ignited pockets of fuel can auto ignite. Petrol vapour will auto ignite if it is in contact with anything having a temp above about 230C. This is the basic problem with trying to run any combustion process in a closed chamber with a fuel air mixture already captive in the chamber, the burn will proceed once originally ignited very quickly. With E-Tec they won't tell anyone just how lean the mixture is that they're trying to run at up to close to 2000 rpm, (when a large OB is making large amounts of power & therefore heat) but given that when OMC released Ficht we couldn't shut the lying dealers up about how they run the Ficht engines are mixtures of 40-1 & also looking at the "claimed" fuel savings in the E-Tec marketing being run by the dealers it's pretty clear they are at least as lean as 40-1 but given the new EPA regs since Ficht maybe even leaner. Regardless this is dangerously lean as proven with the reliability of the Fichts:-) Once the combustion chamber can buildup enough heat such that any part of it exceeds 230C then autoignition of the remaining air fuel charge will occur which is generally called detonation. Once detonation commences the extreme pressure peaks create even more chamber heat & the process becomes self sustaining, indeed such that even if the mixture is then richened the detonation will continue or commence or get worse because the hot chamber just auto ignites the charge. So the very idea of running very lean mixtures at power is proven to be a failure & as you'll see in the following of the series E-Tec well know it but as with past failed attempts claim they can run their charge "stratified" i.e. they place the minimal fuel around the spark plug so even though the burn is totally out of control, it will all be consumed not leaving enough residual (called end gases) to create detonation. K Of course the E-Tec series will need to also include a Krause lie or a loony Tom paste:-) & the Krause lie for today is his Vietnam lie, the one he concocted when in a fit of jealousy that John was a true patriot & served his country like a real man, while socialist scum like Krause cowed behind their lies back in the safety of their unions. Just to make your day, not only was I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you, John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse |
E-Tec problems series 1
Oxygen freezes at 55 K, so at normal pressure
it's liquid from 90 K down to there, an unusually long liquid range. Gaseous hydrogen can be cold enough to freeze oxygen. It goes liquid at 20.3 K, and freezes at 14 K. Liquid helium is much colder still. --- G.R.L. Cowan, former hydrogen fan Boron: internal combustion, nuclear cachet -- http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html |
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