On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:24:34 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:20:21 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


And finally, if you are really interested in unmitigated baloney, allow
me to recommend

http://www.gourmetfoodstore.com/spec...P5LPJ95D1587G2

That food store doesn't even carry boiled peanuts. How could their baloney
be worth a damn?

ROFLMAO...... John, I don't care what Harry says.... you're OK.....

Now, I need to teach you to say, "y'all" properly.....

Proper my ass.

y'all -- singular

all y'all -- plural

What am I missing?
--
John H

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To Stbd or to port, who gives a S*&$@. Get used to what you've got and use
it, or relocate it to a position you prefer.


otn

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:24:34 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:20:21 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


And finally, if you are really interested in unmitigated baloney, allow
me to recommend

http://www.gourmetfoodstore.com/spec...P5LPJ95D1587G2

That food store doesn't even carry boiled peanuts. How could their baloney
be worth a damn?

ROFLMAO...... John, I don't care what Harry says.... you're OK.....

Now, I need to teach you to say, "y'all" properly.....

Proper my ass.

y'all -- singular

all y'all -- plural

What am I missing?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Plenty on this one John.

Y'all-- singular

Y'allz -- plural

*snarf*

Mys Terry wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 21:42:45 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:24:34 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:


On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:20:21 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



And finally, if you are really interested in unmitigated baloney, allow
me to recommend

http://www.gourmetfoodstore.com/spec...P5LPJ95D1587G2

That food store doesn't even carry boiled peanuts. How could their baloney
be worth a damn?

ROFLMAO...... John, I don't care what Harry says.... you're OK.....

Now, I need to teach you to say, "y'all" properly.....

Proper my ass.

y'all -- singular

all y'all -- plural

What am I missing?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Plenty on this one John.

Y'all-- singular

Y'allz -- plural

*snarf*


Youse'all


You sure do talk funny south of the border!

Mys Terry wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 17:03:26 -0700, "
wrote:


Or, you can visit this site and read a comment by a spokesman for a
boat manufacturer (that places the helm to starboard) that "visibility
from inside the cabin in our number one priority....." with regard to
location of the helm.

http://www.fishsniffer.com/cgi-bin/f...1117771557/240



Yeah, they HAD to put it there because of where they put the stand up head! It
was blocking the view too much if they put the wheel anywhere else. In other
words, it does NOT support your claim.

I never said you were the only person who might be wrong about the reasons why
the wheel is on the starboard side.

No, but now you have chosen to completely ignore the other site I
offered as well as misconstrue the site you are referencing. Did you
recently live in Derby, KS?

The boat builder was defending a decision to place the head on the
starboard side, immediately aft of the helm, because placing it in the
aft port quarter blocked visiblity
from the starboard forequarter where the helm is placed. By placing it
in the aft starboard quarter and putting windows on all sides of the
head, (that can be momentarily screened when needed for privacy), there
is a direct view aft from the starboard helm. If the head were placed
in the aft port quarter and the helmsman were trying to look through it
at an angle visibility would be reduced.

You also said that I was "making it up as I go along" and that you had
"never heard anybody else" advance a reason other than Norse tradition
in "50 years of boating". I believe
that I was able to advance your education considerably with the site
that you chose either not to look at or to ignore in your lame
rebuttal. Perhaps the other boaters on the site you ignored are "full
of baloney" as well?

But go right ahead and believe that people who don't share your
*opinion* are "wrong".
My point that there are a number of practical reasons for locating the
helm to starboard has not been refuted by your mean spirited insults
and nonsense. Nor are the practical reasons others advance for locating
the helm to starboard refuted by your assertion that they are wrong as
well.

Shall we play duelling web sites? Can you post a single reference
stating that the only reason for the overwhelming majority of
powerboats locating the helm to starboard is Norse tradition? Or are
you "making it up as you go along?"

Aren't you a sailor? If so, you are probably also unaware of yet an
additional reason that many of the smallest powerboats put the helm to
starboard. Rotation of a large prop on a single screw runabout can
actually cause a slight list to port at higher speeds. If there is only
one person aboard it will be the helmsman, and placing him or her to
starboard tends to correct the list. Placing the helmsman to port would
exaggerate the list. This isn't a problem on larger displacement,
deeper draft, or slower boats but it is a factor on runabouts.

If you have been boating 50 years then you clearly remember the first
decade after WWII.
Mass produced runabouts, heck even the wide spread of a "middle class"
lifestyle where a family would have a runabout on a boat trailer, were
new phenomena. Putting the helm to port, (as was common in that era),
was a good marketing ploy in North America. "Don't worry, Mr. Jones! Of
course you can drive a boat! Look, it's got a steering wheel, a
windshield and a horn- just like your family car!" The wholesale
relocation of the helm to the starboard side of the boat (and the
exceptions prove the rule) may be consistent with Norse tradition but
it was not motivated by that tradition.

otnmbrd wrote:
To Stbd or to port, who gives a S*&$@. Get used to what you've got and use
it, or relocate it to a position you prefer.


otn

What!? At the risk of violating Norse tradition? :-)

Mys Terry wrote:

Although a starboard helm may have some advantages, the "minor reason"
remains where everything else flowed from, including the colregs.

You have to learn which is the cart and which is the horse.

The steering wheel is on the starboard side due to tradition.

Absolutely right. You see? You are both right.

P.S. My jet boat has the wheel on the Larboard side, but it also has a
foot throttle. The reason jet boat manufacturers give for putting the
helm on the port side (those that do) is because there is no prop
torque making it advisable to put the wheel to starboard, and it gives
most drivers the feel they are used to in a car.

But, why to props turn the way they do?
Why does the craft to the Starboard have the right of way?
Why is the helm usually to starboard?

No one but my three-year-old daughter would think me an expert, but I
would bet:
Norse tradition.

And why does Norse tradition put the star to starboard?
Probably because people are mostly right-handed.

So why is the helm usually on the right?
Human nature.

Interesting...

I thought it would having something to do with the rotation of the
prop and its force. Putting the weight (YOU) on that one side
would balance it out....


Tim wrote:
Why do most boats have "right hand" steering? Almost all cars in the
US are set up with left hand steering and we drive on the right side of
the road, obviously for passing purposes. I would think that small
craft would have the same set up.

it is traditional only? or is there some mystical reasoning for it?

Thanks!
Tim

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:44 GMT, Mys Terry
wrote:

On 7 Jun 2006 21:42:45 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:24:34 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:20:21 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


And finally, if you are really interested in unmitigated baloney, allow
me to recommend

http://www.gourmetfoodstore.com/spec...P5LPJ95D1587G2

That food store doesn't even carry boiled peanuts. How could their baloney
be worth a damn?

ROFLMAO...... John, I don't care what Harry says.... you're OK.....

Now, I need to teach you to say, "y'all" properly.....

Proper my ass.

y'all -- singular

all y'all -- plural

What am I missing?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Plenty on this one John.

Y'all-- singular

Y'allz -- plural

*snarf*

Youse'all

Southern Brooklyn?
--
John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:06:07 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:26:11 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:24:34 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:20:21 -0400, JohnH penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


And finally, if you are really interested in unmitigated baloney, allow
me to recommend

http://www.gourmetfoodstore.com/spec...P5LPJ95D1587G2

That food store doesn't even carry boiled peanuts. How could their baloney
be worth a damn?

ROFLMAO...... John, I don't care what Harry says.... you're OK.....

Now, I need to teach you to say, "y'all" properly.....

Proper my ass.

y'all -- singular

all y'all -- plural

What am I missing?

A lot, in NC.....! I thought we had some work to do....

In the Piedmont and Coast:

Singular and Plural: Hey, y'all, I'm going to the mall...... y'awn,
too?

In the Mountains.....
I'm a-goin' to the mall, you'uns want to?

On the outer banks.....

I won't even try.... they sound like they were transplanted directly
from Devonshire, England.... go figure.... 'friggin crooks....

Uh.... oh, yeah...... I speak the first dialect... then the
second...... I have NOTHING to do with anybody that sounds british....
Irish lineage, ya' know....

I don't even pretend to know how those damn easterners talk. Anyone that
says 'y'all', when they mean 'all y'all', just can't do grammar justice.

I believe, nay, I know that 'you'uns' and 'young'uns' both refer to
children.
--
John H

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