GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Remember when it was cool to have a Ray Jeff radio direction finder?
Bubba Jim
wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Jim wrote:
Remember when it was cool to have a Ray Jeff radio direction finder?
Bubba Jim
wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.


When I was a kid, we went on road trips, camping along the way. I had
to have my own map, so that I could follow it and mark every little
town we went through. I still like maps.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.


Amazing.

You have to wonder where we will be with these electronic devices in another
1,5 or 10 years.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.


I worked on a project like that at one time in the past. Cell phones were
going to require a GPS internally for the 911 feature to tell the dispatcher
where you really were. A company we were supplying was adding a compass
also, and you could use the phone as a web browser, and point the phone in
the direction you were interested in and ask for restaurants, history of the
building, etc. Probably would have had public pee facilities programmed in
to the host computer.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

" JimH" jimh UNDERSCORE osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.


Amazing.

You have to wonder where we will be with these electronic devices in
another 1,5 or 10 years.


One of the reason for the oil and energy shortages. The average home uses
4x the power of 20 years ago. Those nice Plasma TV's on their own consume
4x the energy of a CRT TV.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Calif Bill wrote:

Probably would have had public pee facilities programmed in
to the host computer.


Ok, now you've sold me. I want one of those.

'Scuse me now, I gotta go . . .

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
. net...

" JimH" jimh UNDERSCORE osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, well- if so it will be easier than ever to "carry" it almost
everywhere.

How soon will they perfect GPS specifically to help me find my way to
the john in the middle of the night? :-)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/f...n100-unveiled/


Maybe one can program in all the donut shops and other "hazards" on
this thing. A few years from now, we will only shut off our ipods long
enought to talk on our cell phones and we'll all be staring at a screen
to help us navigate around the block when the dog needs to take a pee.

Remember a few years back when we all thought GPS was so miraculous?
When you would ask somebody about their boat, the first (often excited)
portion of the answer was, typically, "It's got GPS!!" Things change.


Amazing.

You have to wonder where we will be with these electronic devices in
another 1,5 or 10 years.


One of the reason for the oil and energy shortages. The average home uses
4x the power of 20 years ago. Those nice Plasma TV's on their own consume
4x the energy of a CRT TV.


Industry, though, is smartening up. More and more of my industrial and
commercial customers are replacing old fluorescent or halide lighting with
the new T8 and T5 linear fluorescent lighting, saving 30%~40% in lighting
energy costs. Quite often it costs a company zero-nada to have these
fixtures installed by using contractors who own the fixtures and install
them at no cost in exchange for an annual lamp replacement contract.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Calif Bill wrote:

I worked on a project like that at one time in the past. Cell phones were
going to require a GPS internally for the 911 feature to tell the dispatcher
where you really were. A company we were supplying was adding a compass
also, and you could use the phone as a web browser, and point the phone in
the direction you were interested in and ask for restaurants, history of the
building, etc. Probably would have had public pee facilities programmed in
to the host computer.

my nextel phone will give me my lat and long....

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

wf3h wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:

I worked on a project like that at one time in the past. Cell phones were
going to require a GPS internally for the 911 feature to tell the dispatcher
where you really were. A company we were supplying was adding a compass
also, and you could use the phone as a web browser, and point the phone in
the direction you were interested in and ask for restaurants, history of the
building, etc. Probably would have had public pee facilities programmed in
to the host computer.

my nextel phone will give me my lat and long....

There's an upside and a downside to that.

Upside is that if you make a 911 call the police can verify your
location.

Downside is that if you aren't making a 911 call, the police can still
verify your location. :-)
"Hey, sarge! Looks like that group of folks who oppose the mayor's
politics must be having a meeting over at 9th and Jackson. We're
getting signals from three of their phones simultaneously from that
location. Shall we break things up with a drug search, or something?"

GPS has migrated from the military, to professional navigators, to
recreational air and marine use, into products as inexpensive as a mass
pro cell phone.

Yesterday I heard some congressman suggest that we implant some sort of
"chip" into peolpe who enter the country under the proposed "guest
worker" program or on student visas. It would make it easier to find
and remove these people when their right to be in the country expired.
Can implanting locator chips in every newborn baby ("to prove
citizenship", of course) be more than a generation or two away?

Not that there aren't some interesting uses for GPS transponders. I
would have loved to have such a device available back when I was
financing used cars. Lots of folks from the edgy side of the tracks
know full well they only risk having their car repo'd if the lender can
find it. :-)

It's amazing that this navigation device has found its way (for good
and for possible ill) into the mainstream of our daily lives, and so
quickly. Where's George Orwell when we need him? Big Brother may not be
actually watching everybody, but he will soon know just exactly where
we're all at.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

One of the reason for the oil and energy shortages. The average home uses
4x the power of 20 years ago. Those nice Plasma TV's on their own consume
4x the energy of a CRT TV.

Uh no, generally it's about 2x. But also consider you're not getting a 50"
CRT so you're not making a direct comparision. This has little to do with
added energy consumption, at least not for oil. That's more attributable to
automobile use, not residential energy consumption. So don't spout junk
science.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Yesterday I heard some congressman suggest that we implant some sort of
"chip" into peolpe who enter the country under the proposed "guest
worker" program or on student visas.

Cool, as long as we can get one implanted in that same congressman to find
out which lobbyist he's taking money from, or which corporately subsidized
private jet he's using. If it's such a great idea then let's be sure THEY
submit to it first.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
...
One of the reason for the oil and energy shortages. The average home
uses
4x the power of 20 years ago. Those nice Plasma TV's on their own
consume
4x the energy of a CRT TV.

Uh no, generally it's about 2x. But also consider you're not getting a
50"
CRT so you're not making a direct comparision. This has little to do with
added energy consumption, at least not for oil. That's more attributable
to
automobile use, not residential energy consumption. So don't spout junk
science.


Not junk science. Our cars are more efficient over 10 years ago, but look
at the increase in number of cars, amount of plastic packaging, amount of
computers, etc.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Not junk science. Our cars are more efficient over 10 years ago, but look
at the increase in number of cars, amount of plastic packaging, amount of
computers, etc.

So cite numbers that back it up. The little bit I've seen over the years
clearly shows vehicle consupmtion as the leading consumer of hydrocarbons.
By quantity totals as well as percentages of increase. This isn't to say
that electronic devices aren't more prevalent or that they can, in some
circumstances, consume greater wattage. Just that they're nowhere near the
same load as vehicular consumption. That cars are less inefficient that 10
years ago (in and of itself an additionally questionable statement) doesn't
begin to put a dent in the MUCH larger conumption they're require.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:04:24 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
wrote:

So cite numbers that back it up. The little bit I've seen over the years
clearly shows vehicle consupmtion as the leading consumer of hydrocarbons.

It's not that hard to do a quick "back of the napkin" analysis:

Let's assume the average household owns two cars and drives them
12,000 miles a year each. Further assuming 18 mpg average
consumption, that's about 1300 gallons per year for transportation.

Let's also assume that the average household uses about 400 kwh per
month in electricity for a total of 4800 kwh per year. It takes about
1 gallon of hydrocarbon fuel to generate 16 kwh at the power plant.
Since the transmission system is only about 25% efficient however
because of line and transformer losses, it really takes about 1 gallon
per 4 kwh, for a total of about 1200 gallons per year.

Those estimates tend to support the assertion that vehicle consumption
uses more fuel, at least at the household level. It will vary widely
from family to family however, and the numbers are fairly close to a
50/50 split.

I have no idea what typical numbers are at the industrial and
commercial level.

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:04:24 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
wrote:


So cite numbers that back it up. The little bit I've seen over the years
clearly shows vehicle consupmtion as the leading consumer of hydrocarbons.


It's not that hard to do a quick "back of the napkin" analysis:

Let's assume the average household owns two cars and drives them
12,000 miles a year each. Further assuming 18 mpg average
consumption, that's about 1300 gallons per year for transportation.

Let's also assume that the average household uses about 400 kwh per
month in electricity for a total of 4800 kwh per year. It takes about
1 gallon of hydrocarbon fuel to generate 16 kwh at the power plant.
Since the transmission system is only about 25% efficient however
because of line and transformer losses, it really takes about 1 gallon
per 4 kwh, for a total of about 1200 gallons per year.

Those estimates tend to support the assertion that vehicle consumption
uses more fuel, at least at the household level. It will vary widely
from family to family however, and the numbers are fairly close to a
50/50 split.

I have no idea what typical numbers are at the industrial and
commercial level.

The transmission system is only 25% efficient? I might believe 25%
loss, although even that seems high.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

GPS carried to the extreme?
 

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:04:24 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
wrote:


So cite numbers that back it up. The little bit I've seen over the years
clearly shows vehicle consupmtion as the leading consumer of
hydrocarbons.


It's not that hard to do a quick "back of the napkin" analysis: Let's
assume the average household owns two cars and drives them
12,000 miles a year each. Further assuming 18 mpg average
consumption, that's about 1300 gallons per year for transportation.

Let's also assume that the average household uses about 400 kwh per
month in electricity for a total of 4800 kwh per year. It takes about
1 gallon of hydrocarbon fuel to generate 16 kwh at the power plant.
Since the transmission system is only about 25% efficient however
because of line and transformer losses, it really takes about 1 gallon
per 4 kwh, for a total of about 1200 gallons per year.

Those estimates tend to support the assertion that vehicle consumption
uses more fuel, at least at the household level. It will vary widely
from family to family however, and the numbers are fairly close to a
50/50 split.

I have no idea what typical numbers are at the industrial and
commercial level.

The transmission system is only 25% efficient? I might believe 25% loss,
although even that seems high.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

Maaybe the overall efficiency is 75%, but I have heard there is an about 3%
transmission loss.