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....... ...... ...... 'Hillary for president' rally draws 20 instead of hoped-for 200 By BONNA de la CRUZ Staff Writer A Hillary Clinton rally drew critics of President Bush, nonpartisan voters looking for a strong leader, and people who want to elect a female president. About 20 people attended the Tuesday event, the national kickoff for Hillarynow.com, a grass-roots group pushing to draft the New York senator and former first lady to run for president in 2008. "I've been fired up about her for a long time," said Mary Sneed, 64, of Pegram. "I think she can get things done. I admire what she's done in upstate New York. If she can win over New Yorkers, she can win over anybody." Organizers hoped to have 200 people at the event in Nashville, a city selected to show that Democrats can win in Southern states. They were disappointed but said they are not focused on numbers. "We can build something from this," said E. Gayle O'Hanlon, president of Enchanted Gingerbread, who cooked for and helped organize the fundraiser. Clinton is not associated with the group. "Hillary is focused on working for the people of New York and winning re-election to the U.S. Senate," Ann Lewis, director of communications for Clinton's Senate campaign, said via e-mail. Miami Beach-based activist Bob Kunst, the founder of Hillarynow.com, said Clinton needs the help of energized grass-roots supporters, not the Beltway consultants who tripped up the campaigns of John Kerry and Al Gore. "Out of this can come the White House, starting here in Nashville," Kunst said. "We're not afraid of the controversy, and we have to make the controversy an ally." Under large shade trees on a vacant lot in the Germantown neighborhood, the mostly female crowd picnicked. Two anti-Clinton protesters picketed on the sidewalk nearby. "Nashville is well-known as the buckle of the Bible Belt, and Hillary's position is in direct opposition to the values of both Republicans and Democrats," said protest organizer Tom Kovach, 48, of Mt. Juliet, a candidate for Congress in the 5th District. Attendees got custom-baked "Hillarynow.com ginger-girl" cookies that O'Hanlon baked and chocolate chip cookies from a Clinton recipe made by Goodlettsville chef Anna Lia Notardonato-Hicks. "Even if she doesn't run, at least we started a dialogue about having a woman president," Notardonato-Hicks said. · |
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·The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic personality disorders. While none of these are a perfect description of the typical troll's behavior, they do share features with the troll. First of all is the antisocial personality disorder, also known as psychopathy or sociopathy. Antisocial behavior includes some of the following elements:  Failure to conform to social norms  Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure  Consistent irresponsibility  Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another Narcissism is the ego unbound. The DSM-IV describes the narcissistic personality disorder as, "A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts...." Some indicative behavior are these:  Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)  Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love  Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations  Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends  Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others  Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes Some elements of the histrionic personality disorder, a disordered personality exhibiting an excessive need for attention, also manifest themselves in trolls:  Is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention  Interaction with others is often characterized by provocative behavior  Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail What the Cluster B personality disorders have in common is manipulative behavior, a lack of empathy, and self-centeredness. What separates trolls from typical people with Cluster B personality disorders is a form of social aversion or fear of identification that prevents them from acting out their self-centered behavior in less anonymous places. The result is that these needs are satisfied on the Internet. Here are my criteria for the Internet Troll Personality Disorder: The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits: 1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional responses in others 2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!") 3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards things in general 4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community 5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's true identity is unknown Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a personality disorder. Source: http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm |
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"Mule" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....No=6052 40377 ....... ...... ...... 'Hillary for president' rally draws 20 instead of hoped-for 200 By BONNA de la CRUZ Staff Writer That's a 10% approval rating for Hillary! |
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wrote in message oups.com... ·The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic personality disorders. While none of these are a perfect description of the typical troll's behavior, they do share features with the troll. First of all is the antisocial personality disorder, also known as psychopathy or sociopathy. Antisocial behavior includes some of the following elements: ? Failure to conform to social norms ? Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure ? Consistent irresponsibility ? Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another Narcissism is the ego unbound. The DSM-IV describes the narcissistic personality disorder as, "A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts...." Some indicative behavior are these: ? Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) ? Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love ? Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations ? Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends ? Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others ? Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes Some elements of the histrionic personality disorder, a disordered personality exhibiting an excessive need for attention, also manifest themselves in trolls: ? Is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention ? Interaction with others is often characterized by provocative behavior ? Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail What the Cluster B personality disorders have in common is manipulative behavior, a lack of empathy, and self-centeredness. What separates trolls from typical people with Cluster B personality disorders is a form of social aversion or fear of identification that prevents them from acting out their self-centered behavior in less anonymous places. The result is that these needs are satisfied on the Internet. Here are my criteria for the Internet Troll Personality Disorder: The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits: 1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional responses in others 2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!") 3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards things in general 4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community 5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's true identity is unknown Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a personality disorder. Source: http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. |
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message ... "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....No=6052 40377 ...... ..... ..... 'Hillary for president' rally draws 20 instead of hoped-for 200 By BONNA de la CRUZ Staff Writer That's a 10% approval rating for Hillary! 3.33%. The 200 folks they expected were Democrats...which make up only 1/3 of the population. 10% of 1/3 is 3.33%. That's how Zogby and the rest of the pollsters do it for Bush. |
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JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. It's no secret that political topics turn this group into an outhouse, and even the best natured political troll usually blows up just a few posts into the thread. Then it's "Why are you blaming me for this forest fire? I only struck one little match...." The trolls and their apologists often wonder, "Why don't you just ignore the OT posts?" History holds the answer. Unless somebody is new here, he or she will know that the bad blood, the naming and flaming, and other antisocial behaviors quickly infect the on-topic threads as people stalk one another through the NG to continue personal grudge matches. The political crap winds up ruining the boating threads as well. Cancer spreads. I've said my piece. Now its free range for the guys who only hang around here hoping for a political war to break out. And whoopie zip: the old feuds can be renewed, the name calling can begin, the cut 'n pasting of rival surveys will commence, the parroting of Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, (or a liberal equivalent) can get into full swing, and folks will act out in this forum in a fashion that most (we can only hope) would *never* consider in person. Why the heck do you suppose this forum is called rec.boats? Should that mean anything at all? Is it an unreasonable expectation that a boat created to discuss boating should not be overrun with political arguments and personal ****ing matches? Those without the brains to find a political group for their political nonsense (or else the courtesy to go there when appropriate) deserve no coddling. As far as "Do as I say, not as I do"...I'll make you or anyone else the same offer I extended to another poster recently. Go ahead and start *twice* as many OT political threads as I do, and I promise not to comment until you exceed your quota. :-) So here y'all go: "HIllary Clinton" is about as good a trigger phrase as there is these days. Those who have been waiting for this moment can now proceed to garbage up the NG. |
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wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. It's no secret that political topics turn this group into an outhouse, and even the best natured political troll usually blows up just a few posts into the thread. Then it's "Why are you blaming me for this forest fire? I only struck one little match...." The trolls and their apologists often wonder, "Why don't you just ignore the OT posts?" History holds the answer. Unless somebody is new here, he or she will know that the bad blood, the naming and flaming, and other antisocial behaviors quickly infect the on-topic threads as people stalk one another through the NG to continue personal grudge matches. The political crap winds up ruining the boating threads as well. Cancer spreads. I've said my piece. Now its free range for the guys who only hang around here hoping for a political war to break out. And whoopie zip: the old feuds can be renewed, the name calling can begin, the cut 'n pasting of rival surveys will commence, the parroting of Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, (or a liberal equivalent) can get into full swing, and folks will act out in this forum in a fashion that most (we can only hope) would *never* consider in person. Why the heck do you suppose this forum is called rec.boats? Should that mean anything at all? Is it an unreasonable expectation that a boat created to discuss boating should not be overrun with political arguments and personal ****ing matches? Those without the brains to find a political group for their political nonsense (or else the courtesy to go there when appropriate) deserve no coddling. As far as "Do as I say, not as I do"...I'll make you or anyone else the same offer I extended to another poster recently. Go ahead and start *twice* as many OT political threads as I do, and I promise not to comment until you exceed your quota. :-) So here y'all go: "HIllary Clinton" is about as good a trigger phrase as there is these days. Those who have been waiting for this moment can now proceed to garbage up the NG. Might as well put religion, Bayliner, and Jane Fonda on your hit list, and anything else that might disturb you. Good luck Chuck. |
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woman president," Notardonato-Hicks said.
snip I have no enthusiasm for any of the politicians on either side. Let the States run their own affairs and let Washington maintain our borders and security. Tired of Big Business running the Country. |
What's with the fascination with Hillary?
Group think.
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wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. If you look at some recent political threads they went along fine and were quite civil until the NG's designated *sheriff* rode into town on his painted pony and started making demands. The "More Meat for Whiners" thread is a perfect example. Just my $.02. ;-) |
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JIMinFL wrote: Might as well put religion, Bayliner, and Jane Fonda on your hit list, and anything else that might disturb you. Good luck Chuck. Bayliner is a boating topic. |
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wrote in message ups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Might as well put religion, Bayliner, and Jane Fonda on your hit list, and anything else that might disturb you. Good luck Chuck. Bayliner is a boating topic. You miss the point Chuck.............and I think you do so intentionally. ;-) |
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JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. If you look at some recent political threads they went along fine and were quite civil until the NG's designated *sheriff* rode into town on his painted pony and started making demands. The "More Meat for Whiners" thread is a perfect example. Just my $.02. ;-) They all go along fine, until (something) happens. Doesn't matter what. All kinds of things serve as an excuse for all hell to break loose. See your 2 cents, raise you a nickel. Half my kingdom to the guy or gal with a valid and convincing answer to this question: WHY do we need to drag politics, religion, etc etc etc through a boating discussion group? Notice the interrogatory: WHY? (now, in the interest of full disclosure regarding my highly generous offer- do note that is is for "half my kingdom" and there's a darn good chance I'm not actually a king.) :-) |
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JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Might as well put religion, Bayliner, and Jane Fonda on your hit list, and anything else that might disturb you. Good luck Chuck. Bayliner is a boating topic. You miss the point Chuck.............and I think you do so intentionally. ;-) Not at all. If people want to argue about Bayliners, at least that's on topic. It's perfectly OK to disagree about things- but we know that we can't disagree about politics and remain civil in this group so why get hung up on a subject that doesn't have any business here in the first place? If we get into naming and flaming about a boating topic that would be unfortunate, but this is the forum in which to do that. If we want to discuss whether or not GWB is a wise and wonderful president or whether Hillary should run for office in '08, this is *not* the place for that. |
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wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. If you look at some recent political threads they went along fine and were quite civil until the NG's designated *sheriff* rode into town on his painted pony and started making demands. The "More Meat for Whiners" thread is a perfect example. Just my $.02. ;-) They all go along fine, until (something) happens. Doesn't matter what. All kinds of things serve as an excuse for all hell to break loose. See your 2 cents, raise you a nickel. Replay most threads relating to Bayliner, SeaRay or other mass market boat manufacturer and you will find your share of flaming and name calling. Yet these were boating related threads. ;-) Replay most of the recent political threads and you will find they did not turn negative until a certain sheriff rode into town. You live boating 24x7. That is not the makeup of this group. Back off and relax Chuck. Just because the word "boat" is in the NG category does not mean the word has to be included in each and every post here. Go look at rec.boats.cruising and you will find a general range of topics being discussed, normally at an adult level, and without some sheriff riding in on his painted pony demanding the topic to be closed. ;-) The bottom line is that the net copping is causing more problems here than the political posts. And there is one person leading the posse riding a painted pony causing most of them. ;-) |
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JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. If you look at some recent political threads they went along fine and were quite civil until the NG's designated *sheriff* rode into town on his painted pony and started making demands. The "More Meat for Whiners" thread is a perfect example. Just my $.02. ;-) They all go along fine, until (something) happens. Doesn't matter what. All kinds of things serve as an excuse for all hell to break loose. See your 2 cents, raise you a nickel. Replay most threads relating to Bayliner, SeaRay or other mass market boat manufacturer and you will find your share of flaming and name calling. Yet these were boating related threads. ;-) Replay most of the recent political threads and you will find they did not turn negative until a certain sheriff rode into town. Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own behavior, regardless of what somebody else might or might not do? Who should we allow to dictate our behavior? To whom should we surrender our right of (and responsibility for) self control? "He or she made me do it" didn't work 50 years ago when I was a kid. I bet it isn't any more valid today. You live boating 24x7. That is not the makeup of this group. Back off and relax Chuck. Just because the word "boat" is in the NG category does not mean the word has to be included in each and every post here. Go look at rec.boats.cruising and you will find a general range of topics being discussed, normally at an adult level, and without some sheriff riding in on his painted pony demanding the topic to be closed. ;-) Maybe rec.boats cruising is one of those groups where politics can be civilly discussed. In that case, great! There's no reason to discuss politics here if there's a group that welcomes political discussion so very close by. We disagree. You say, "This should be a free for all where we can discuss any topic we choose to, and if things get ugly it will be somebody else's fault." I say, "The group should discuss boating related topics, and then things will be less likely to get ugly in the first place." What do either of us have on our side except our own opinions? Your side: a group of guys who want to have a general chat room, love to argue politics, and may or may not be interested all that much in boating. My side: a group of guys who wold prefer not to wade through tons ot OT posts everyday and deal with the fallout from the ill feelings spawned by the political brush wars screwing up the on-topic threads. I guess the only thing on my side that isn't offset by something on your side is the fact that most people would think it rather reasonable to assume that a group called rec.boats would be about boating. If you're not about boating 24/7, then it woujld be better to spend a proportionate amount of time in NG's actually established to cater to your other interests, wouldn't it? The bottom line is that the net copping is causing more problems here than the political posts. And there is one person leading the posse riding a painted pony causing most of them. ;-) |
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wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. If you look at some recent political threads they went along fine and were quite civil until the NG's designated *sheriff* rode into town on his painted pony and started making demands. The "More Meat for Whiners" thread is a perfect example. Just my $.02. ;-) They all go along fine, until (something) happens. Doesn't matter what. All kinds of things serve as an excuse for all hell to break loose. See your 2 cents, raise you a nickel. Replay most threads relating to Bayliner, SeaRay or other mass market boat manufacturer and you will find your share of flaming and name calling. Yet these were boating related threads. ;-) Replay most of the recent political threads and you will find they did not turn negative until a certain sheriff rode into town. Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own behavior, regardless of what somebody else might or might not do? Yep. Yet I find you constantly blaming the authors of the thread for the behavior of others. Thanks for making a point I have been trying to make for several months. Who should we allow to dictate our behavior? To whom should we surrender our right of (and responsibility for) self control? "He or she made me do it" didn't work 50 years ago when I was a kid. I bet it isn't any more valid today. You live boating 24x7. That is not the makeup of this group. Back off and relax Chuck. Just because the word "boat" is in the NG category does not mean the word has to be included in each and every post here. Go look at rec.boats.cruising and you will find a general range of topics being discussed, normally at an adult level, and without some sheriff riding in on his painted pony demanding the topic to be closed. ;-) Maybe rec.boats cruising is one of those groups where politics can be civilly discussed. In that case, great! There's no reason to discuss politics here if there's a group that welcomes political discussion so very close by. We disagree. You say, "This should be a free for all where we can discuss any topic we choose to, and if things get ugly it will be somebody else's fault." I say, "The group should discuss boating related topics, and then things will be less likely to get ugly in the first place." What do either of us have on our side except our own opinions? Your side: a group of guys who want to have a general chat room, love to argue politics, and may or may not be interested all that much in boating. My side: a group of guys who wold prefer not to wade through tons ot OT posts everyday and deal with the fallout from the ill feelings spawned by the political brush wars screwing up the on-topic threads. I guess the only thing on my side that isn't offset by something on your side is the fact that most people would think it rather reasonable to assume that a group called rec.boats would be about boating. If you're not about boating 24/7, then it woujld be better to spend a proportionate amount of time in NG's actually established to cater to your other interests, wouldn't it? The bottom line is that the net copping is causing more problems here than the political posts. And there is one person leading the posse riding a painted pony causing most of them. ;-) |
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On 24 May 2006 17:15:38 -0700, "
wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. If you look at some recent political threads they went along fine and were quite civil until the NG's designated *sheriff* rode into town on his painted pony and started making demands. The "More Meat for Whiners" thread is a perfect example. Just my $.02. ;-) They all go along fine, until (something) happens. Doesn't matter what. All kinds of things serve as an excuse for all hell to break loose. See your 2 cents, raise you a nickel. Replay most threads relating to Bayliner, SeaRay or other mass market boat manufacturer and you will find your share of flaming and name calling. Yet these were boating related threads. ;-) Replay most of the recent political threads and you will find they did not turn negative until a certain sheriff rode into town. Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own behavior, regardless of what somebody else might or might not do? Who should we allow to dictate our behavior? To whom should we surrender our right of (and responsibility for) self control? "He or she made me do it" didn't work 50 years ago when I was a kid. I bet it isn't any more valid today. You live boating 24x7. That is not the makeup of this group. Back off and relax Chuck. Just because the word "boat" is in the NG category does not mean the word has to be included in each and every post here. Go look at rec.boats.cruising and you will find a general range of topics being discussed, normally at an adult level, and without some sheriff riding in on his painted pony demanding the topic to be closed. ;-) Maybe rec.boats cruising is one of those groups where politics can be civilly discussed. In that case, great! There's no reason to discuss politics here if there's a group that welcomes political discussion so very close by. We disagree. You say, "This should be a free for all where we can discuss any topic we choose to, and if things get ugly it will be somebody else's fault." I say, "The group should discuss boating related topics, and then things will be less likely to get ugly in the first place." What do either of us have on our side except our own opinions? Your side: a group of guys who want to have a general chat room, love to argue politics, and may or may not be interested all that much in boating. My side: a group of guys who wold prefer not to wade through tons ot OT posts everyday and deal with the fallout from the ill feelings spawned by the political brush wars screwing up the on-topic threads. I guess the only thing on my side that isn't offset by something on your side is the fact that most people would think it rather reasonable to assume that a group called rec.boats would be about boating. If you're not about boating 24/7, then it woujld be better to spend a proportionate amount of time in NG's actually established to cater to your other interests, wouldn't it? Chuck, you're making rational arguments that any reasonable person would understand. Key word - reasonable. JimH is pandering to a certain crowd, most of which have deserted him anyway. Putting him in your kill file would help everyone. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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I am once again the focus of JohnH's post, with his reply being nothing
but inflamatory. JohnH has been the cause/origan of most negative or argumentative posts, this being one of them. |
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On 24 May 2006 08:11:38 -0700, "
wrote: JIMinFL wrote: Chuck! Are you setting a good example with this psyco babble? It appears as if you are trolling for trolls. " Do as I say, not as I do" appears to fit here. I plan to needle most everybody who tries to take this group back to the mess it used to be. It's funny that with this thread, you unload with the mean-spirited "psyco babble" that you did, but in Harry's "meat whiner" post, that you are politically aligned with, the best you could do was "This message brought to you by Trollamatic of MD. :-)" Why not the soft-messaged smiley-face for this thread? Is it because your political leanings are aligned with the "meat whiner" post, and not this one? You are no better than the others. |
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Jack Goff wrote:
It's funny that with this thread, you unload with the mean-spirited "psyco babble" that you did, but in Harry's "meat whiner" post, that you are politically aligned with, the best you could do was "This message brought to you by Trollamatic of MD. :-)" Why not the soft-messaged smiley-face for this thread? Is it because your political leanings are aligned with the "meat whiner" post, and not this one? You are no better than the others. Talking about whiners....! Give it a rest. |
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JimH wrote: Aren't we all ultimately responsible for our own behavior, regardless of what somebody else might or might not do? Yep. Yet I find you constantly blaming the authors of the thread for the behavior of others. Thanks for making a point I have been trying to make for several months. I blame the originators of OT threads for originating OT threads. I would be fascinated to learn how their behavior is really somebody elses' fault or responsibility. |
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Some of Chuck's loudest and strongest comments have been directed
towards those he agrees with politically. You are completely mistaken on this one. |
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On 25 May 2006 02:50:01 -0700, "Reginald P. Smithers"
wrote: Some of Chuck's loudest and strongest comments have been directed towards those he agrees with politically. You are completely mistaken on this one. Possibly. I don't read every post. I did happen to see the two I referenced, so that was my take on it. |
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On Thu, 25 May 2006 06:31:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Jack Goff wrote: On 24 May 2006 08:11:38 -0700, " Speaking of newsgroup poop ploppers, there's the always reliable Jackoff. And there's alway Harry, our favorite Cluster B disorder. "The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic personality disorders" |
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On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:07:44 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 06:31:32 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: On 24 May 2006 08:11:38 -0700, " Speaking of newsgroup poop ploppers, there's the always reliable Jackoff. And there's alway Harry, our favorite Cluster B disorder. "The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic personality disorders" Now Jack, remember, "Illegitimus non carborundum est." -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 25 May 2006 07:15:39 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Jackoff found someone to goggle up a sentences for him. "goggle up a sentences" ??? You're losing it, Harry. Take a deep breath. |
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On 24 May 2006 17:15:38 -0700, "
wrote: I guess the only thing on my side that isn't offset by something on your side is the fact that most people would think it rather reasonable to assume that a group called rec.boats would be about boating. Interesting concept but highly radical. Chuck, keep up the good fight, I believe the majority are solidly behind you. I think the most compelling reasons to avoid politics and flame fests are that 1) It drives away people who may have solid contributions to make but may not have time or inclination to sort through BS; and 2) It raises the noise level to such an extent that finding worthwhile on topic content becomes difficult. When the experts stop visiting, and we do have some, the whole news group becomes irrelevant. Or to put it another way, if you don't have anything to say about boats, don't say it here. |
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Chuck,
I know when you are debating this topic with JimH, you really don't expect to convince him that rec.boats is a better place without the name calling, inflammatory topics and political trolls, but are really using this as a venue to get on your soapbox for all the others who might want to jump on board. It appears that the majority of the people have agreed they prefer a kinder and gentler rec.boats. There are a few others who are always looking for a fight, and they will try different bait till they get some action. I have noticed that most of the regulars are now ignoring their trolls. Since I have tried (semi-effectively) to ignore the trolls, I have found most of the people I disagree with politically to be enjoyable folk. I also find rec.boats to be more enjoyable place to waste some time. Thanks for your subtle (and not so subtle reminders). -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it. |
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Reginald P. Smithers wrote: .. Since I have tried (semi-effectively) to ignore the trolls, I have found most of the people I disagree with politically to be enjoyable folk. Precisely. It's OK for people to disagree. Wish I had a buck an ounce for all the hatred that has been expressed in this forum over the years between people who really don't know each other at all but assumed that people with differing perspectives must somehow be defective and detestable individuals. There are a few guys who are so highly entertained by the naming and flaming (and most of them don't really give a rat about boating) that they will drop their OT stink bombs in here just hoping and praying that a big old nasty fight will break out. Then they have the balls (gotta hand it to 'em) to complain that people suggesting the NG stay on topic are somehow a negative or undesirable presence. (Maybe suggestions that we try to stay on topic are negative and undesirable, depending on a persson's actual motivation for hanging around the NG in the first place?) Go figure. I can't think of one person that I totally dislike, even the habitual trolls and even the folks who express opinions with which I disagree. |
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On 25 May 2006 14:25:20 -0700, "
wrote: Reginald P. Smithers wrote: . Since I have tried (semi-effectively) to ignore the trolls, I have found most of the people I disagree with politically to be enjoyable folk. Precisely. It's OK for people to disagree. Wish I had a buck an ounce for all the hatred that has been expressed in this forum over the years between people who really don't know each other at all but assumed that people with differing perspectives must somehow be defective and detestable individuals. There are a few guys who are so highly entertained by the naming and flaming (and most of them don't really give a rat about boating) that they will drop their OT stink bombs in here just hoping and praying that a big old nasty fight will break out. Then they have the balls (gotta hand it to 'em) to complain that people suggesting the NG stay on topic are somehow a negative or undesirable presence. (Maybe suggestions that we try to stay on topic are negative and undesirable, depending on a persson's actual motivation for hanging around the NG in the first place?) Go figure. I can't think of one person that I totally dislike, even the habitual trolls and even the folks who express opinions with which I disagree. Up until a couple weeks ago, I could have said the same thing. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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You need to better control your emotions John.
Hatred is not a good quality. |
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