Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
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If the refinery is not profitable and there is no land to expand and
upgrade
the refinery, are you going to require a business to keep it open?

Depends on how you let them define the concept of 'profitable'. If it
means, as they've cleared schemed, that they have to deliberately reduce
the
amount of production in order to gouge the consumers then it's certainly
questionable behavior.


http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/...ry06050910.htm

Maybe this will explain some of the economics of oil to you.

Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

On Wed, 10 May 2006 17:33:18 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Maybe this will explain some of the economics of oil to you.

And some more of the economics of oil:

http://www.stopexxonmobil.org/cashin...democracy.html

Hey, I don't have a problem with Exxon's profits, but do they really need
our tax-dollar subsidies? There's that dirty little link between campaign
finance and corporate welfare.

Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

So have any of you right to dump guys ever actually lived around a
ship yard? Try traveling around southern TX or LA. What a hell hole.
The water in Morgan City, LA was the only drinking water that gave me
heart burn. Sure ya can kill the biologicals and filter out the big
stuff ............ but if you ever been on the lower mississippi river
I dare you to drink the stuff out of the tap.

So you know how much **** over 50 years has ended up in the water with
a yard on it?
Lets start with the red lead, Cu , arsenic, asbestos etc to name a few.
Oh, how about sand blasting the bridges. 1000s of pounds of zinc and
bridge paint falling into the estuary (that means bay for you smart
right to dump guys) ........Now that makes for some tasty clams.

Do not get me wrong. I worked offshore out of Patterson/ Morgan City,
LA, my now 85 year old mother welded at two ship yards, and my step dad
commercial fished the west cost for 30 years.
Boat yards are a very ugly places. I say, flange em up and keep them
clean.

But I guess you yachties dont see the need because your pretty boats
dont make a mess. Instead of hiring some mexican for $8/hr to sand your
bottom grab some 40 grit and go to it yourself for 16 hours and let me
know how "clean" a yard is.
bob

Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

Bob wrote:
So have any of you right to dump guys ever actually lived around a
ship yard? Try traveling around southern TX or LA. What a hell hole.
The water in Morgan City, LA was the only drinking water that gave me
heart burn. Sure ya can kill the biologicals and filter out the big
stuff ............ but if you ever been on the lower mississippi river
I dare you to drink the stuff out of the tap.

So you know how much **** over 50 years has ended up in the water with
a yard on it?
Lets start with the red lead, Cu , arsenic, asbestos etc to name a few.
Oh, how about sand blasting the bridges. 1000s of pounds of zinc and
bridge paint falling into the estuary (that means bay for you smart
right to dump guys) ........Now that makes for some tasty clams.

Do not get me wrong. I worked offshore out of Patterson/ Morgan City,
LA, my now 85 year old mother welded at two ship yards, and my step dad
commercial fished the west cost for 30 years.
Boat yards are a very ugly places. I say, flange em up and keep them
clean.

But I guess you yachties dont see the need because your pretty boats
dont make a mess. Instead of hiring some mexican for $8/hr to sand your
bottom grab some 40 grit and go to it yourself for 16 hours and let me
know how "clean" a yard is.
bob

You're describing practices, (such as sandblasting into the bay), that
have been out of practice for a long time. If your mom is 85, you're
probably retired by now. Get out to a local boatyard and see how times
have changed since you last dumped everything into the water and
figured that was probably "good enough."

Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

On 12 May 2006 09:00:46 -0700, "Bob" wrote:



So have any of you right to dump guys ever actually lived around a
ship yard? Try traveling around southern TX or LA. What a hell hole.
The water in Morgan City, LA was the only drinking water that gave me
heart burn. Sure ya can kill the biologicals and filter out the big
stuff ............ but if you ever been on the lower mississippi river
I dare you to drink the stuff out of the tap.

So you know how much **** over 50 years has ended up in the water with
a yard on it?
Lets start with the red lead, Cu , arsenic, asbestos etc to name a few.
Oh, how about sand blasting the bridges. 1000s of pounds of zinc and
bridge paint falling into the estuary (that means bay for you smart
right to dump guys) ........Now that makes for some tasty clams.

Do not get me wrong. I worked offshore out of Patterson/ Morgan City,
LA, my now 85 year old mother welded at two ship yards, and my step dad
commercial fished the west cost for 30 years.
Boat yards are a very ugly places. I say, flange em up and keep them
clean.

But I guess you yachties dont see the need because your pretty boats
dont make a mess. Instead of hiring some mexican for $8/hr to sand your
bottom grab some 40 grit and go to it yourself for 16 hours and let me
know how "clean" a yard is.
bob

"Yachtie?"

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Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

On Fri, 12 May 2006 10:13:55 -0700, wrote:


You're describing practices, (such as sandblasting into the bay), that
have been out of practice for a long time. If your mom is 85, you're
probably retired by now. Get out to a local boatyard and see how times
have changed since you last dumped everything into the water and figured
that was probably "good enough."

I'm not so sure, Chuck. Pollution issues are often a matter of state
enforcement. You live in a relatively "green" state. Louisiana is not.

http://www.scorecard.org/ranking/ran...ter+relea ses

In fact, it was as recently as 1999, that a Federal Judge stepped in and
mandated the EPA set pollution limits as Louisiana had refused to act.

http://www.earthjustice.org/news/display.html?ID=130

Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

wrote:

You're describing practices, (such as sandblasting into the bay), that
have been out of practice for a long time. If your mom is 85, you're
probably retired by now.

Not quite but in another 10 maybe........... Good indutive reasoning
and math skills!

Get out to a local boatyard and see how times
have changed since you last dumped everything into the water and
figured that was probably "good enough."

I agree, at least in most states. I'm in Oregon... land of public
beaches, bottle deposits, land use laws, and medical pot, and assisted
suicide. In the last five years here I walked through most yards in the
state and have hauled out in three. Two conclusions:

1) Regardless of the laws and regs they'll have zero effect unless
stricly enforced by dillilgent officers. The most common RepubliKan
Right to Dump stratigy is to alow laws, put a political stooge in to
run the place, and then cut the enforcment buget (officers) so nothing
happens. So no body stops in to see what going on at the yards.

2) At $7.50/hr (maybe $5.00/hr else places) a yard guy will do what is
easiest. Which means just dump whatever and wherever when nobody is
looking. That I have seen on several occcasions. Now if wages were 15
or 20 bucks an hour the guys might have something to lose. As is, just
another minium wage job.

I still stand by my opinion that ship yards, ship breaking stations,
and yacht yards are very dirty places................ still.

Bob

Environmentalists Vs Boatyards; Maybe even a boatyard near you!
 

Bob wrote:
wrote:

You're describing practices, (such as sandblasting into the bay), that
have been out of practice for a long time. If your mom is 85, you're
probably retired by now.

Not quite but in another 10 maybe........... Good indutive reasoning
and math skills!

Get out to a local boatyard and see how times
have changed since you last dumped everything into the water and
figured that was probably "good enough."

I agree, at least in most states. I'm in Oregon... land of public
beaches, bottle deposits, land use laws, and medical pot, and assisted
suicide. In the last five years here I walked through most yards in the
state and have hauled out in three. Two conclusions:

1) Regardless of the laws and regs they'll have zero effect unless
stricly enforced by dillilgent officers. The most common RepubliKan
Right to Dump stratigy is to alow laws, put a political stooge in to
run the place, and then cut the enforcment buget (officers) so nothing
happens. So no body stops in to see what going on at the yards.

2) At $7.50/hr (maybe $5.00/hr else places) a yard guy will do what is
easiest. Which means just dump whatever and wherever when nobody is
looking. That I have seen on several occcasions. Now if wages were 15
or 20 bucks an hour the guys might have something to lose. As is, just
another minium wage job.

I still stand by my opinion that ship yards, ship breaking stations,
and yacht yards are very dirty places................ still.

Bob


Some practices at our regional boatyards that certainly debunk any
"dirty industry" myth.

1) All pressure washing of bottoms must be done in a narrowly defined
area, and all of the
wash water is collected in a designated drain. That drain does *not*
lead to the public sewer system or (even worse) back into the waterway.
Instead, the wash is collected, settled, and filtered until it meets
EPA requirements for discharge. The solids and chemicals removed from
the wash water are hauled to an approved hazardous waste site.

2) The work area below a boat in the yard is normally supposed to be
tarped while work is in progress. Should some paint, bottom paint,
varnish, or other material drip during application, the material is
intercepted by the tarp and does not find its way back into the
adjoining water via stormwater runoff.

3) Best management practices, (BMP's) of most of our regional yards now
prohibit non-vaccuum sanding and many are beginning to prohibit the use
of a grinder of any sort.

There aren't any "yachties" insisting on a "right to dump," but when
faced with an enforcement system that claims the public drinking water
supply is too impure to flow into
a waterway there will be almost no boatyards able to meet the absurdly
high expectations of the environmentalists.